Advice needed, any ideas considered.

[Lolabelle]

I am having a bit of a smelly problem with Kruger, my male dog. He is urinating on everything. The back verandah absolutely reeks. Part of this is that he is constantly covering Lola's (girl dog) scent with his own. But boy oh boy, it is getting beyond a joke.
So what I need to know is

1. How to stop this. or...
2. How to disguise the stench...
3. Well anything .... What can I do?????????????

Help me, I love this boy, but he is driving me crazy, I have tried spraying vinegar, and toilet deodoriser and washing everything down. It just makes his more inclined to get things back to his liking.

[Sandra_B]

Has he been neutered?

[Lolabelle]

No, he isn't. We are going to do that. But he is a stud dog so we have to have his semen collected first. But I have been told it makes no difference and my mums dog is, and he still pees everywhere.

[emb123]

once a male dog has reached adult stage their behaviour has become pretty much ingrained. Won't make any noticeable difference having him neutered.

About all you can do is keep hosing the verandah down very regularly. When they've been done it does seem to make it a bit less smelly tho'.

[blondscot]

I know that you can buy stuff that you put in dogs food to neutrilise the content of pee sort of diluting it so that it dont burn the grass!! so maybe that would help cut down on the strong smell. Not sure what it is called but can find out for you if you want!

[Lolabelle]

I know that you can buy stuff that you put in dogs food to neutrilise the content of pee sort of diluting it so that it dont burn the grass!! so maybe that would help cut down on the strong smell. Not sure what it is called but can find out for you if you want!

That would be fantastic, thank you. I will try anything. I am absolutely over the smell.

[porshiepoo]

We have a yorkshire terrier that did exactly the same.
He was 5 years old and it was driving me nuts so we had him castrated. It took about 6 months for it to all change but change it did. He stopped peeing everywhere and the smell was nowhere near so offensive.
Obviously this is a problem for you cos your boys a stud dog. The only thing to do is as you said, collect his semen and then do the castration if you're happy to do that.

[buggyracer]

cut there bits off, its the new black, whenever a dog does soemthing that is natural to a dog.

how about chastising him when he does it, stern telling off, and not letting him in somewhere where it will cause a problem if he does lift his leg, and let him out more so he has less to pee even if he wants to.

[stewart4364]

Try a product called Urinator. This is available from Rob Harvey Specialist Feeds. If you go on to google and enter Urinator or Rob Harvey which gives all the details. Hope this will help the problem -- it will possibly not stop him peeing but should get rid of the smell.
Good Luck

[Lolabelle]

cut there bits off, its the new black, whenever a dog does soemthing that is natural to a dog.

how about chastising him when he does it, stern telling off, and not letting him in somewhere where it will cause a problem if he does lift his leg, and let him out more so he has less to pee even if he wants to.

I don't want to stop him being a dog. But I do not want my house to stink of dog pee. And as for chastising him...Ha ha. I have tried everything from smaking, yelling, squirting him with a water pistol to an electric fence. He is the champion of sly piddling. He never does it in our line of sight. He knows he shouldn't pee around the back veranda. I know this because I have covertly watched him and he walks up, checks to see if I can see and if I am not in sight, he pees. If I am he takes off and puts himself in the kennel. I am not joking. He knows!!!! You really have to see it to beleive it. If someone had told me about a dog doing what he does, I would not have accused them of lying, but would definately have thought there was an element of exaggeration there. He also knows that he can pee anywhere else in the yard, and doesn't bother trying to hide then.

[porshiepoo]

cut there bits off, its the new black, whenever a dog does soemthing that is natural to a dog.

how about chastising him when he does it, stern telling off, and not letting him in somewhere where it will cause a problem if he does lift his leg, and let him out more so he has less to pee even if he wants to.

Bit of a contradiction there!
You make a comment about us not letting a dog be a dog and then you suggest we talk to a dog in the english language and expect him to understand what we're saying by rubbing his nose in his own pee!!!! Yeah, that's a real doggy thing to do, I'm sure that's more natural!!??

Do you honestly believe that a dog will understand what is meant by rubbing his nose in his pee???
And you honestly think that letting him out more often will stop it? He'd have to be out permanently for that to be effective!
An entire dog will pee all over to mark his territory, it has nothing to do with needing to go a pee. The most effective way to stop this and a multitude of other sins is to castrate him, it's not cruel just sensible.

[porshiepoo]

I don't want to stop him being a dog. But I do not want my house to stink of dog pee. And as for chastising him...Ha ha. I have tried everything from smaking, yelling, squirting him with a water pistol to an electric fence. He is the champion of sly piddling. He never does it in our line of sight. He knows he shouldn't pee around the back veranda. I know this because I have covertly watched him and he walks up, checks to see if I can see and if I am not in sight, he pees. If I am he takes off and puts himself in the kennel. I am not joking. He knows!!!! You really have to see it to beleive it. If someone had told me about a dog doing what he does, I would not have accused them of lying, but would definately have thought there was an element of exaggeration there. He also knows that he can pee anywhere else in the yard, and doesn't bother trying to hide then.

He's not trying to do it on the snide, no matter how it looks. Dogs do not reason as we do. He's merely learnt to be scared to do it. He knows he'll get punished for it but no matter what you do or say he doesn't understand why he gets punished. He is just doing what comes naturally and instinct is greater than fear for him at the moment. His instinct is telling him that he has to do it in order to let any passing or local threat know that this is his territory.

Please stop punishing him for it. You are going to end up with a dog that is a mess at best and nervous aggressive at worst. He honestly doesn't ubderstand that he can only pee in certain spots.

I have a great dane that is entire and a german shepherd that is entire.
I'll admit that neither of these will pee indoors or anywhere that bothers me but I have a feeling that has as much to do with pack order as anything else. They know they're status in the pack and as such don't feel the need to make it known to everyone else by scenting.
I also trained the dane from a very young age to go to the loo on command as it made things so much easier when I was showing him.
Our yorkie was a different matter. He pee'd everywhere - on dvd's, up skirting, on the sofa etc etc but looking back I can see we never made his pack status clear - didn't know how to. He's now castrated and we've never looked back.

At the end of the day if castration is going to calm your dogs mind and make him mentally more balanced, is going to stop him peeing which will make you happier then surely that has to be kinder than what's happening at the moment??????

[Lolabelle]

He's not trying to do it on the snide, no matter how it looks. Dogs do not reason as we do. He's merely learnt to be scared to do it. He knows he'll get punished for it but no matter what you do or say he doesn't understand why he gets punished.

Please stop punishing him for it. You are going to end up with a dog that is a mess at best and nervous aggressive at worst. He honestly doesn't ubderstand that he can only pee in certain spots.

I agree with most of what you say porshiepoo, but I do disagree about whether or not he knows that he is not supposed to pee on the veranda or not. Because he is not afraid to pee any where else in front of me. I don't punish him anymore. I very quickly realised that chastising wasn't working. He just does it anyway. I am not cruel to my dogs. They are my companians and I love them. I just want to do something to direct him away from it. I had heard that castration would not help. I want to have him done, for other reasons, mainly so he is not tormented by the smells of females on the wind and never being able to get a girlfriend. I think that is cruel to leave him, but as I said before, I have to have his semen collected first, and we are on a waiting list.
I appreciate all the suggestions and help offered. I will try the urinator product. I don't care what he does if it just doesn't make the house smell.
Again thank you all.
PS, he isn't psychologically damaged either, he is gorgeous proud gentleman, he just love piddling on everything lol.
I didn't get him until he was 18 months and he was from a kennel, with many other males in nearby runs. I guess now he is marking his territory regardless.

[changilass]

Our older boy markes his territory if we have to put him in kennels for any reason, he always comes home stinking of pee. He doesn't do it at home as he knows his place in the pack. This year we have arranged a holiday where we can take the dogs with us so that should make it easier.

[porshiepoo]

I agree with most of what you say porshiepoo, but I do disagree about whether or not he knows that he is not supposed to pee on the veranda or not. Because he is not afraid to pee any where else in front of me. I don't punish him anymore. I very quickly realised that chastising wasn't working. He just does it anyway. I am not cruel to my dogs. They are my companians and I love them. I just want to do something to direct him away from it. I had heard that castration would not help. I want to have him done, for other reasons, mainly so he is not tormented by the smells of females on the wind and never being able to get a girlfriend. I think that is cruel to leave him, but as I said before, I have to have his semen collected first, and we are on a waiting list.
I appreciate all the suggestions and help offered. I will try the urinator product. I don't care what he does if it just doesn't make the house smell.
Again thank you all.
PS, he isn't psychologically damaged either, he is gorgeous proud gentleman, he just love piddling on everything lol.
I didn't get him until he was 18 months and he was from a kennel, with many other males in nearby runs. I guess now he is marking his territory regardless.

I honestly wasn't suggesting that you don't love your boy.

Your dog looks sheepish when he pees in certain places because he's learnt to associate it with a punishment of some kind. Hasn't stopped him doing it though has it? That's because dogs cannot rationalise as we do.

A urninator?????? What a laugh. What's it supposed to do?
If anyone thinks that a product is going to mask a smell from a dog in the hope that it will stop them feeling the need to pee in the same place is insane and heading for an even bigger headache.
Dogs sense of smell is a million times more powerful than ours, they can smell a bitch in heat for miles away, no smelly product is going to either mask the smell or deter them.

Your boy is marking his territory pure and simple. He's not being naughty, dirty or disobedient - honest!
Castration helps because he won't have those hormones running rampant that tell him instinctively he needs to be top dog to breed and therefore mark his scent to let everyone know he's top dog. It can calm them down no end and for me would be the first thing to do followed very closely with asserting your hierarchy in the pack.

Please don't think I'm accusing you of being cruel or not loving your dog, the very fact that you're asking for advice shows that you are neither of those.

[buggyracer]

Bit of a contradiction there!
You make a comment about us not letting a dog be a dog and then you suggest we talk to a dog in the english language and expect him to understand what we're saying by rubbing his nose in his own pee!!!! Yeah, that's a real doggy thing to do, I'm sure that's more natural!!??

Do you honestly believe that a dog will understand what is meant by rubbing his nose in his pee???
And you honestly think that letting him out more often will stop it? He'd have to be out permanently for that to be effective!
An entire dog will pee all over to mark his territory, it has nothing to do with needing to go a pee. The most effective way to stop this and a multitude of other sins is to castrate him, it's not cruel just sensible.

Get a grip of yourself!!

my dogs understand lots of words, yours must be thick??

where did i say rub his nose in it? i didnt?? or talk in english??

the fact of the matter is if your prepared to let your dogs roam the house un-attended you will have to suffer the consequences, my russell pup USED to pee and now doesnt after being told not to, beleive me he understands, but in all honesty given the chance and left alone he probably would still do it but they dont get the chance. As the only time they are allowed into any other place other than the garden or kitchen is during the evening whilst we are there to supervise them and this is only in the living room and not left to roam the house.

but when he won this he did pee on me in the ring so hes not perfect........... hes a dog.


You state lollabelle he was from a kennel, and you didnt get him until 18 months, unfortunately it sounds like he has been brought up in a outdoor kennel and is only doing what he has done since he was a puppy, one of the problems with getting an older dog.

[buggyracer]

i googled the problem and this is the best i could find.......
Hector was growing up and beginning to do a lot of things that grown up dogs do. Hector’s family did not want to neuter Hector because they did not want him to change. They liked Hector exactly they way he was. Until he began to urinate on upright surfaces in the house. This behaviour is what is called “sexually dimorphic” behaviour in that it usually occurs in uncastrated, male dogs. Sexually dimorphic simply means that the behaviour is controlled by the sexual biology of the animal, in this case, the hormone testosterone. It is an effort by the male dog to mark his territory against other males and if it is going to be a problem, it will usually start when or slightly after the young dog begins to lift his leg to urinate. Lifting the leg is also sexually dimorphic behaviour.

Lifting the leg to urinate on vertical surfaces in the house should be differentiated from housetraining problems or “piddling” as described above. It will usually occurs in un-castrated, young males who have previously been well behaved in the house but has also been observed in castrated males and in females, as well. There is a tendency for the marking to be near the entrances to the house; i.e. a message left by the dog showing possession of the house. Close study of the dogs behaviour may reveal the stimuli triggering the urination. It may occur if a visitor arrives or when the dog is allowed in a room it does not often visit. Once used, the dog will have a tendency to be drawn back to the same spot. The behaviour can also be linked to a lack of a consistent hierarchy within the dogs household pack. Sometimes if the status of various members of the family pack is not settled, the dog will mark various objects of individuals in order to “possess” the item and therefore gain rank.

All of this information gives clues as to how to approach the problem behaviour. The owner might consider having their pet assessed as to the effect of castration. Some young dogs will stop marking behaviour if castration is completed early in their life. An assessment of the benefits of castration could be evaluated by having the dog treated with a chemical castration; e.g. delmadinone (Tardak). If there is a positive response when on Delmadinone, i.e. no marking behaviour, castration may be the answer for your dog. If you are against castration or if this test was unsuccessful, the following should be tried.

Make sure the dog has limited access to areas which he has previously marked. Clean the marked areas thoroughly with a strong odour eliminator.

Don’t forget to praise him for lifting his leg in appropriate places, even to following him into the garden until you are sure he has the idea.

Consistency is the key to having a confident dog. Whatever behaviour program you decide to follow, make sure the whole family is involved so your dog is certain of what is expected of him.

hope it helps???

[gary.b]

Good couple of post there Buggyracer, I agree castration does seem to be the answer for every behavioral problem discussed on this forum.
Also may I add if I were looking for a stud to cover a bitch of mine I wouldn't be using a frozen sample, I'd prefer to see the stud myself, in fact I'd be suspicious, asking myself if this is actually the semen of the dog they say it is? Why was a dog that was going to be used as stud castrated? Did it have health or behavioral problems?

[Lolabelle]

Good couple of post there Buggyracer, I agree castration does seem to be the answer for every behavioral problem discussed on this forum.
Also may I add if I were looking for a stud to cover a bitch of mine I wouldn't be using a frozen sample, I'd prefer to see the stud myself, in fact I'd be suspicious, asking myself if this is actually the semen of the dog they say it is? Why was a dog that was going to be used as stud castrated? Did it have health or behavioral problems?

Semen collection is quite successful and particularly in the case of a valuable dog in case of injury or death. You don't lose the blood line. Kruger, the dog in question, is the result of frozen and imported semen. He is a champion dog and his co owner wants his semen collected whether he is castrated or not. He has been know to get a bit of an infection around the time of year when females naturally come into season. The only two remedies of this is to castrate or mate him. As we don't want just any old dog getting his babies, he castration is the better option. He wont be tortured with all the smells in the air.

Buggyracer, thank you for that info, it makes sense, as he is quite a timid dog and i have always put it down to his previous owner being very tough on him, mainly because he has many males and needs to stay on top. I think perhaps he is very insecure and so that could be making the marking process more important to him. I try to be the leader and am mostly successful, but he has gotten worse since I moved them outside. Anyway, I will just try covering up the scent and after he has everything else done things may change. Regardless, he is a great dog, and I wouldn't swap him for anything. Even if occaisionally I get fed up with the stinky piddling problem.

[Lolabelle]