Religion....

[bekisman]

There is no Christian church with a tradition that Jesus was really born on December 25^th.

[sids]

Do you find any benefit in celebrating Christmas Rheghead?

He didn't say there's no Santa.

[maverick]

There is no Christian church with a tradition that Jesus was really born on December 25^th.

Are you certain of that?

[bekisman]

As I've mentioned I'm in no way religious, but I'm pretty sure that the Bible does not give a specific date for the birth of Jesus Christ - maybe there are folk on here who can elucidate ?

[maverick]

As I've mentioned I'm in no way religious, but I'm pretty sure that the Bible does not give a specific date for the birth of Jesus Christ - maybe there are folk on here who can elucidate ?

The Bible gives a very specific indication that Christ was born sometime after mid December.

[gleeber]

The Bible gives a very specific indication that Christ was born sometime after mid December.

Does it matter when Jesus was born? For the sake of this discussion and because the scoffers continue to scoff we should be talking about the power of Jesus in peoples lives. Rheghead cant bring himself to acknowledge it and because his psyche runs on a different fuel he condemns all others. Bekisman quotes Freud to scoff at the religious but Freud had just as much to say about him and me for that matter as he did the religious and not a lot was complimentary.

[bekisman]

Does it matter when Jesus was born? For the sake of this discussion and because the scoffers continue to scoff we should be talking about the power of Jesus in peoples lives. Rheghead cant bring himself to acknowledge it and because his psyche runs on a different fuel he condemns all others. Bekisman quotes Freud to scoff at the religious but Freud had just as much to say about him and me for that matter as he did the religious and not a lot was complimentary.

What! I'm 'scoffing' ? Sorry to have to point it out but you are ignoring MY thoughts and how I arrived at my own (colloquially speaking) 'belief' - and signature for that matter- what on earth gives YOU the right to think you speak for me?
Of course there are people who honestly believe the power of Jesus - I do not doubt their integrity whatsoever, no more than a belief any 'religion' or faith following have in any spiritual being which may give them comfort. I was merely pointing out in my own 70 years I have not experienced this, and yes, there is a maxim "there are no atheists in foxholes" never held true for me personally in spite of horrendous and terrifying periods in my military life.
This Thread was about 'Religion' NOT Jesus or any other prophet and until I pass on, die, cross over or just pure blackness, NO ONE REALLY KNOWS if an an omnipotent being exists.. care to elucidate on how YOU arrived at your own beliefs?

[Saveman]

It's widely acknowledged by most that Jesus wasn't born on 25th December. Nor did he direct his followers to celebrate his birth as a human. Jesus whole focus was on his message and his death. As for the tree, the mistletoe, Santa, etc. you need to look beyond Christianity to find their origins. When you factor in overeating, heavy drinking, commercialisation, materialism etc. the whole thing starts to drift quite far from a Christian celebration!
"Bah humbug!" anyone?? LOL

[Rheghead]

Does it matter when Jesus was born? For the sake of this discussion and because the scoffers continue to scoff we should be talking about the power of Jesus in peoples lives. Rheghead cant bring himself to acknowledge it and because his psyche runs on a different fuel he condemns all others. Bekisman quotes Freud to scoff at the religious but Freud had just as much to say about him and me for that matter as he did the religious and not a lot was complimentary.

My fuel comes from the real world. So does yours. What applies to me so applies to us all.

[bekisman]

It's widely acknowledged by most that Jesus wasn't born on 25th December. Nor did he direct his followers to celebrate his birth as a human. Jesus whole focus was on his message and his death. As for the tree, the mistletoe, Santa, etc. you need to look beyond Christianity to find their origins. When you factor in overeating, heavy drinking, commercialisation, materialism etc. the whole thing starts to drift quite far from a Christian celebration!
"Bah humbug!" anyone?? LOL

"Jesus commanded that we commemorate his death, not his birth". luke 22: 19,20.
Too true Saveman, 'Christmas', is for too many, an occasion to get bladdered. London Ambulance Service estimate there will be an increase of 700 extra emergencies due to alcohol, commercialisation of this period takes away what it is supposed to mean to many. Each year I have to text/phone my younger grandchildren down in England to tell them that "Father Christmas has just flown over on his way, so better go to sleep now" . I don't drink alcohol, Mrs Beks and I will have a quiet 'festive' period watching recorded telly, chatting to our friends and family around the world, among them a number of Faiths..
I wish you 'compliments of the season' Saveman - additionally as Dave Allen would say "goodnight, thank you and may your God go with you"

[Saveman]

Thank you ��

[maverick]

never killed anyone.

Not a single human being has ever died from Religion.

Even though I am an atheist I am certain of this.

You are of course absolutely correct; yet it has certainly been used to start many conflicts and justify the deaths of many by the hand of man.