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    If I read it right, its a week today the trial starts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orkneycadian View Post
    If I read it right, its a week today the trial starts?
    Well, look on the bright side.....at least you won't need any form of Sildenafil for the next couple of months. The very thought of a member of the SNP, especially Alex Salmond, being charged in court with anything that could possibly result in a custodial sentence, will be the highlight of your life. Bet you're drooling already, eh?
    Last edited by Shabbychic; 04-Mar-20 at 06:24.

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    An unusually crass comment from you there Shabbychic. Shame on you. The real people this case is about are the alleged victims. This is the chance for them to get justice. You'll note a few posts above, my question was "what security do the victims get? "

    Yesterday, we have the government saying that police may have to focus on serious crimes only. Here we have serious allegations of crime, but a lot of police resources being wasted on security for the alleged perp.

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    Whatever one personally thinks and whatever one's prejudices, a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and I for one do not want it to be any other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fulmar View Post
    Whatever one personally thinks and whatever one's prejudices, a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and I for one do not want it to be any other way.
    I totally agree with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by orkneycadian View Post
    An unusually crass comment from you there Shabbychic. Shame on you. The real people this case is about are the alleged victims. This is the chance for them to get justice. You'll note a few posts above, my question was "what security do the victims get? "

    Yesterday, we have the government saying that police may have to focus on serious crimes only. Here we have serious allegations of crime, but a lot of police resources being wasted on security for the alleged perp.
    Oh come on. Crass you call me? That's good coming from you. Don't try and go all PC on us now. At least be honest. You don't give two hoots for the victims...it's the alleged perp, you have your claws out for and fine well you know it. The victims in sexual assault and rape cases are entitled to anonymity in respect to the allegations made, throughout their lifetime. So, where does your concern about their security come from?


    If you are so concerned about the victims, why do you always race on here to announce proudly, when the next court appearance of AS is? Why are you always first to have a go at any SNP MP or MSP accused of anything at all? You want us to believe it's all about the victims?


    Where is your outraged concern for the victims of the the Westminster paedophile rings, and all the cover-ups? Or sexual assault charges against MPs in other Parties? I'll tell you where....they don't exist.


    I may not like the policies of many of the Political Parties, but I don't have the hatred you have against everyone involved with them. As individuals, I actually quite like some of them, believe it or not, even Tories, I just don't agree with their Party Policies.


    So please, don't come across all high and mighty all of a sudden, your views on this forum are too well known for that.


    Last edited by Shabbychic; 04-Mar-20 at 17:12.

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    It’ll be interesting to watch Salmond’s behaviour when cornered in the witness box. His usual form of defence in difficult political situations was to lash out at his opponents, often with unjustifiable claims or even outright lies.

    How incorrigible is he? Will he emerge as a sociopathic liar or the victim of a political or personal vendetta. I doubt it will be the latter.

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    Does any one know (when Tesco opens) why 5 SNP ministers have, in less than a fortnight, said they will not be standing at the next election?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-51790745

    SNP minister Aileen Campbell quits for better 'work-life balance'

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...lands-51662942

    SNP's Gail Ross to stand down as an MSP at next election

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-51696368

    Two leading SNP figures to step down from Holyrood

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...es-plan-stand/

    SNP MSP James Dornan announces plan to stand down

    OK, so they all have their reasons, age and work/life balance amongst them. But 5 announcing plans in a period little more than 10 days? When the next Scottish election is not till next year? Thats over 8% announcing their stand-down, in less than 2 weeks. Co-incidence?

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    Sorry, I have missed 2.....

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...ping-holyrood/

    Aileen Campbell is seventh SNP MSP stepping down from Holyrood


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    Having betrayed her constituents over health provision in Caithness, I suspect Gail Ross wouldnít be re-elected in 2021. Did she make a genuine mistake, or did she put Party before people as others have suggested? Either way, she seems to have been more popular at Holyrood than in Caithness in recent years.

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    I was cringing while reading Woman H’s account of Alex Salmond’s alleged deeds on the night he is accused of attempting to rape her. I await his response.
    Last edited by aqua; 10-Mar-20 at 02:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aqua View Post
    I was cringing while reading Woman Hís account of Alex Salmondís alleged deeds on the night he is accused of attempting to rape her. I await his response.

    Not going quite so smoothly for her on the second day. An awful lot just doesn't add up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shabbychic View Post
    Not going quite so smoothly for her on the second day. An awful lot just doesn't add up.
    Must be a slot for the missing Derek MacKay at this stage, is he not the best adder up in Team Nicla ?
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    I'm sure you all know, I'm no AS fan, but I do wonder about H's story. Why would you not leave the job after the 1st 'assault' or ask to be moved, or even report incident to superiors? Why put yourself in a position where you are alone with AS again? No sane person would do that.

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    I find the complainants’ accounts eminently believable. Whether they are the truth, the whole truth, and all that, is of course up to the jury to pronounce on. The man should get a fair trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shabbychic View Post
    Not going quite so smoothly for her on the second day. An awful lot just doesn't add up.
    I’m not sure I value Gareth Wardell as an unbiased or disinterested reporter, but his account here seems ok.

    I don’t share your opinion of the second day’s proceedings. The defence are bound to attack the prosecution witness’s account of events. As far as I can judge, Woman H and her account of events emerged intact. She feared a powerful bully who was on the same side as her in the independence debate; she feared for her job and she didn’t want to upset the independence applecart.

    What are Gareth Wardell’s views on Salmond these days? I know he fell out big time with Nicola Sturgeon and her administration a year or so ago.
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    At a time when gatherings over 500 are to be banned to free up emergency service resources, why on earth are there police officers standing about outside an Edinburgh courthouse who are not activity involved in escorting crims to custody?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aqua View Post
    Iím not sure I value Gareth Wardell as an unbiased or disinterested reporter, but his account here seems ok.

    I donít share your opinion of the second dayís proceedings. The defence are bound to attack the prosecution witnessís account of events. As far as I can judge, Woman H and her account of events emerged intact. She feared a powerful bully who was on the same side as her in the independence debate; she feared for her job and she didnít want to upset the independence applecart.

    What are Gareth Wardellís views on Salmond these days? I know he fell out big time with Nicola Sturgeon and her administration a year or so ago.

    These reports are actually by James Doleman and Philip Sim, not Gareth Wardell. I don't know his views on anybody these days, and couldn't care less.

    My comment was in no way in reference to the witness's account of events, or her thought process, as I wasn't there at the time, and don't believe we are allowed to discuss that at the moment anyway. It was more to do with her dealings with SNP's Ian McCann, and the details,given to him, with the stated intention that it should be used in vetting AS to prevent him being an SNP candidate again, and his response to this. Also the fact that at least 4 of the alleged victims were in regular touch with each other and discussing their "plans".

    Unlike some, I am keeping an open mind on this case, and don't have any views on whether he is guilty or not, but like yourself, I believe he is entitled to a fair trial.


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    One thing I am gleaning from this trial is that the drinks cabinets in Bute House appear to have been very well stocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shabbychic View Post
    These reports are actually by James Doleman and Philip Sim, not Gareth Wardell. I don't know his views on anybody these days, and couldn't care less.

    My comment was in no way in reference to the witness's account of events, or her thought process, as I wasn't there at the time, and don't believe we are allowed to discuss that at the moment anyway. It was more to do with her dealings with SNP's Ian McCann, and the details,given to him, with the stated intention that it should be used in vetting AS to prevent him being an SNP candidate again, and his response to this. Also the fact that at least 4 of the alleged victims were in regular touch with each other and discussing their "plans".

    Unlike some, I am keeping an open mind on this case, and don't have any views on whether he is guilty or not, but like yourself, I believe he is entitled to a fair trial.

    Thanks for elaborating. I found Ian McCannís reported statement slightly disturbing. I suppose communication between the complainants could be regarded as anything between a support network and collusion in a stitch-up.

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    Does anyone know how much of the extra tax take in Scotland, the highest taxed part of the UK, goes on drinks for the occupants of Bute House?

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