No say.

[tonkatojo]

Hold on a minute Rob - this wonderful diversivied economy - the Northern Powerhouse ? . Methinks still far to dependant on the financial services industry London based and thats really served us well hasn't it? and I'll know you'll come back with RBS and all that and if we had been independant etc etc the country would have gone down the tubes and we'd never been able to afford the losses. There must be a better way than this Mickey Mouse,Westminster, BoE, way of running a country.

"Northern Powerhouse" according to the torys the North ends where hs2 ends Manchester, there are another 210 miles from Manchester via A1M and A1 by road or 151 miles in a straight line to Berwick, then the rest the whole of Scotland if you were to include it in the magical "Power House ".

[dozy]

What the Snake oil salesman and his banker friends fail to tell you is, Scotland only get a small percentage of the revenue taken by the Westminster Government . If we say the WG got $48 a barrel and the SG got $6 of that. With independence and the drop in oil Price ,if we only got $24 that 4 times as much as we get now. Scotland keep none of the VAT added to petrol( 85%) of the pump price ,so once you add all that together the figure promoted by the Unionist Tory Bandwagon is nothing but more untruths . I spoke it over with friends at Norway who work in the oil business who confirmed that the folk used by the Better to gether side lied . One thing I find strange that Cameron allow the OPEC big hitters to drop the oil price by flooding the market, which was done to reduce funds to IS who have take over oilfields. This helped Cameron get re- elected at the cost of thousands of Scottish jobs ( many of whom voted No in the referendum ) .He stitched them up and laughed all the way to the bank of the EU. Now with his RED Tories he's voted to Bomb in Syria ,no doubt this was done to give him leverage in 2017 EU referendum vote. Some folk will sell us all down the river for power and money and he's the biggest one going . It's just a pity that we can't find money to save folk with Cancer but we can find Billions of Bullets and Bombs. Same on them all .

[rob murray]

Ok if we had voted yes then it would because we had been duped and lied to...oil...its not a bonus.... and SNP fiscal figures on oil revenues are out by 6,000% as we speak ............not 5 / 10 / 15% but 6,000% : a yes vote would mean Scotland would now be totally screwed or maybe you fall into the camp of " so what at least we would be free"

Can someone tell me where the 6000% comes from?

Ok, SNP indy fiscal projections were based on an a barrel price of c $110 its now $43......now do you get it ?

[rob murray]

What the Snake oil salesman and his banker friends fail to tell you is, Scotland only get a small percentage of the revenue taken by the Westminster Government . If we say the WG got $48 a barrel and the SG got $6 of that. With independence and the drop in oil Price ,if we only got $24 that 4 times as much as we get now. Scotland keep none of the VAT added to petrol( 85%) of the pump price ,so once you add all that together the figure promoted by the Unionist Tory Bandwagon is nothing but more untruths . I spoke it over with friends at Norway who work in the oil business who confirmed that the folk used by the Better to gether side lied . One thing I find strange that Cameron allow the OPEC big hitters to drop the oil price by flooding the market, which was done to reduce funds to IS who have take over oilfields. This helped Cameron get re- elected at the cost of thousands of Scottish jobs ( many of whom voted No in the referendum ) .He stitched them up and laughed all the way to the bank of the EU. Now with his RED Tories he's voted to Bomb in Syria ,no doubt this was done to give him leverage in 2017 EU referendum vote. Some folk will sell us all down the river for power and money and he's the biggest one going . It's just a pity that we can't find money to save folk with Cancer but we can find Billions of Bullets and Bombs. Same on them all .

The only slighty believable and creditable point you make is money and cancer that I agree with, the rest of yer post is a direct lift from SNP propoganda sources and I pity you. Cameron has no powers whats so ever over oil prices and rUK is a midget as regards the geo politics on oil repeat a midget, oh and Scotland is an absolute non player we aint even a pawn in the greater Oil game, wise up and grow up. The lie was the barrel price and resulting fiscal predictions...SNP assumed c $110 PBP yet brent is now $43, can you not understand that this would have demolished an independent Scotland or are you as blind as you are stupid ? You know what, why you are a reality denier, just check the Oil prices out yersel and then kid on its lies, you aint gonna get indy2 because Scotland cannot stand alone at a PPB of $43.... listen to your Tsarina she's ruled it out for the seeable future, why do you think shes ruled it out ?.... or is she a liar too

[rob murray]

Ok if we had voted yes then it would because we had been duped and lied to...oil...its not a bonus.... and SNP fiscal figures on oil revenues are out by 6,000% as we speak ............not 5 / 10 / 15% but 6,000% : a yes vote would mean Scotland would now be totally screwed or maybe you fall into the camp of " so what at least we would be free"

Can someone tell me where the 6000% comes from?

I give up, crack on mate

[rob murray]

I give up, crack on mate

WHere did the figure of being out by 6,000% come form, tons of sources but heres one :

"Nicola Sturgeon refused to discuss her pre-referendum oil revenue forecasts at Holyrood yesterday.

Exactly two years after the then-Deputy First Minister launched the independence White Paper – which predicted a second offshore industry boom – she chose not to explain how her figures were out by 6000%.

Statistics released by the Office for Budget Responsibility suggested that oil revenues would be just £130m next year – a far cry from the “£8bn” which Ms Sturgeon predicted in 2013.

She refused to even acknowledge the error during FMQs – where she faced a grilling from opposition MSPs on the issue and suggested instead it was “breath-taking hypocrisy” to be discussing the issue when Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, had announced a near 6% cut to Scotland’s day-to-day budget" : Breath taking hyprocy...cheezo..... comming from her lol lol lol

Now if you can read, just accept it or deny it, if your in denial, which you patently are go and live in your fantasy land with yer fantasy loving pals. Sane rational people accept proven facts.

[piratelassie]

Until we control our own finances your arguments are pointless. I want us to be responsible for our own spending, then we can directly do something at the battot box to change policies. At present the numbers game at Westminster denies us this.

Are you seriously asking me to trust an SNP government whose fiscal forecasts were 6,000% out ? Nah, at least I know with a degree of certainty what crumbs are available like a lot of people Ive a future to consider and plan, that future doesn't lie with lying duplicitous non entities. Sturgeon promised a new politics, whiter than white, consensual and listening, well look at the recent track record, financial shenanigans by SNP MP's,lies, political posturing making Scotland a laughing stock, MP's not looking after constituent interest, as for Mogodon yer local man, why would Caithnessians vote for an anti nuclear party ? whats he doing to mitigate the collapse of the Caithness north Sutherland economy when Dounreay goes? Ah I know, the economy will miraculously adapt and become an arts /culture centre !! Renewables in the firth is 100% required to sustain engineering in particular. Well you did vote for an egotist so take the consequences your welcome to it. Wake up and smell the roses, look locally as you are being ignored. Whats more important, Mogodon posturing to anti Syrian bombing protestors, jaunts abroad, daft tweets or him progressing you own well being ?

[rob murray]

Until we control our own finances your arguments are pointless. I want us to be responsible for our own spending, then we can directly do something at the battot box to change policies. At present the numbers game at Westminster denies us this.

WHose "we" whose "us"..with almost 100% SNP dominance what policies can you change at the ballot box, I thought you were delighted at the SNP and their policies ?

Finance secretary John Swinney will set out his Budget for 2016-17 to MSPs later this month, with major cuts expected after the recent UK government spending review....you'll soon hear SNP policies then and realise that losses of Oil revenues are not as you say "pointless "

[rob murray]

Until we control our own finances your arguments are pointless. I want us to be responsible for our own spending, then we can directly do something at the battot box to change policies. At present the numbers game at Westminster denies us this.

Yeah whatever you say the Scottish economy now lagging behind rest of UK read the rest here : http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...f-uk-1-3968214

[bekisman]

Until we control our own finances your arguments are pointless. I want us to be responsible for our own spending, then we can directly do something at the battot box to change policies. At present the numbers game at Westminster denies us this.

What's all this "denies us this"? US?? You are in a minority, there was a referendum and you lost, Ok nothing's perfect, but please don't try and speak for the majority whllst YOU are the minority

[davth]

We (Great Britain) are in control of our finances are we not?

[rob murray]

What's all this "denies us this"? US?? You are in a minority, there was a referendum and you lost, Ok nothing's perfect, but please don't try and speak for the majority whllst YOU are the minority

A convenient truism swept away and ignored by hard core 45/ers, indy 2.... they cant even listen to SNP leader...no indy2 until they are certain of winning, SNP to concentrate on governing according, to Sturgeon....allowing such nonsense we / us / indy2 postings is turning this site into a wingsoverscotland....or is that the intention !!

[golach]

Until we control our own finances your arguments are pointless. I want us to be responsible for our own spending, then we can directly do something at the battot box to change policies. At present the numbers game at Westminster denies us this.

The SNP government decided not to do the repairs to the Forth Road Bridge 8 years ago, now what is it going to cost the Country, they also cannot afford to run the Queen Elizabeth hospital, none of these are the fault of Westminster , purely mismanagement on behalf of the SNP

[davth]

....allowing such nonsense we / us / indy2 postings is turning this site into a wingsoverscotland....or is that the intention !!

Come on Rob that's plagiarism at its finest

[rob murray]

Come on Rob that's plagiarism at its finest

lol lol lol Nah its no...........ok someone mentioned this before, ie wingsoverscotland / the org, so I will re phrase my posting.....to "allowing such nonsense we/ us/ indy 2 is turning this site, as has been previously mentioned by another poster, into a wingsoverscotland...or is that the intention !!

[piratelassie]

Hands tied , hands tied. no need to say more.

The SNP government decided not to do the repairs to the Forth Road Bridge 8 years ago, now what is it going to cost the Country, they also cannot afford to run the Queen Elizabeth hospital, none of these are the fault of Westminster , purely mismanagement on behalf of the SNP

[davth]

Oh but there is, please explain
There seemed to be plenty funds available to install average speed cameras the length of the country.
And also to install a tram network in the city.

[rob murray]

Hands tied , hands tied. no need to say more.

Do you mean "our" hands rea teid and "we" cant do anything to help "us" ?

[bekisman]

Hands tied , hands tied. no need to say more.

Eh? thought Scottish Government was looking after 'it'?