Vote In Parliament Tonight.

[cptdodger]

MPs have voted by 397 to 223 to authorise UK air strikes against so-called Islamic State in Syria.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34989302

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Profoundly depressing

[bekisman]

Democracy in action

[Oddquine]

Democracy in action

Rank UK stupidity in action! Democracy it is not.

We bombed Afghanistan for years after 9/11 to stop the terrorists, then moved on to do Iraq twice and in-between, Libya......to stop the terrorists. Why, on God's good earth, do we think that repeating the same action in Syria is going to have better results than bombing has had over the last 14/15 years? To date, the only result of our indiscriminate bombing of those countries has been the escalation of war in the Middle East and a massive increase in terrorism in Western countries and against Western targets elsewhere in the world.

I appears that Cameron has become an after dinner joke in Washington according to the editor-in-chief of the Wall Street Journal ......as follows......

God summons the leaders of the US, China and Britain and tells them the world will end tomorrow and they must prepare their people.
So Barack Obama goes on TV and says: My fellow Americans, I have good and bad news. We were right about the existence of God..but the world is about to end.
Xi Jinping then tells the Chinese: Bad News and worse news. We were wrong about the existence of God...and the world is about to end.
David Cameron goes on the BBC. "I have great news" he says " God thinks I'm one of the three most important people in the world".

And that is what it is all about. Governance in the UK is not about the good of the people of the UK (or anywhere else) and never has been.... but is all about the ego of the UK Government..and now people in the USA are coming to that conclusion. It has taken them a long time.

[weezer 316]

Rank UK stupidity in action! Democracy it is not.

We bombed Afghanistan for years after 9/11 to stop the terrorists, then moved on to do Iraq twice and in-between, Libya......to stop the terrorists. Why, on God's good earth, do we think that repeating the same action in Syria is going to have better results than bombing has had over the last 14/15 years? To date, the only result of our indiscriminate bombing of those countries has been the escalation of war in the Middle East and a massive increase in terrorism in Western countries and against Western targets elsewhere in the world.

I appears that Cameron has become an after dinner joke in Washington according to the editor-in-chief of the Wall Street Journal ......as follows......

God summons the leaders of the US, China and Britain and tells them the world will end tomorrow and they must prepare their people.
So Barack Obama goes on TV and says: My fellow Americans, I have good and bad news. We were right about the existence of God..but the world is about to end.
Xi Jinping then tells the Chinese: Bad News and worse news. We were wrong about the existence of God...and the world is about to end.
David Cameron goes on the BBC. "I have great news" he says " God thinks I'm one of the three most important people in the world".

And that is what it is all about. Governance in the UK is not about the good of the people of the UK (or anywhere else) and never has been.... but is all about the ego of the UK Government..and now people in the USA are coming to that conclusion. It has taken them a long time.

How can you say, after about 10 hours debate in the central debating platform of the country, its not democracy in action? Oh wait I know why, because you dont agree with it. Absurdly narrow minded point of view.

It will make a short term difference but that is all. Not that I agree with it.

[Oddquine]

How can you say, after about 10 hours debate in the central debating platform of the country, its not democracy in action? Oh wait I know why, because you dont agree with it. Absurdly narrow minded point of view.

It will make a short term difference but that is all. Not that I agree with it.

What might have made a difference was stopping arms sales to those countries which are supplying Daesh, stopping those countries paying Daesh for oil supplies and freezing all their bank accounts in all countries.... but that won't do, because that will hit the West.....or at least the West's bosses, the global companies, financially..because we are playing on both sides for profit.

[bekisman]

Rank UK stupidity in action! Democracy it is not.

We bombed Afghanistan for years after 9/11 to stop the terrorists, then moved on to do Iraq twice and in-between, Libya......to stop the terrorists. Why, on God's good earth, do we think that repeating the same action in Syria is going to have better results than bombing has had over the last 14/15 years? To date, the only result of our indiscriminate bombing of those countries has been the escalation of war in the Middle East and a massive increase in terrorism in Western countries and against Western targets elsewhere in the world.

I appears that Cameron has become an after dinner joke in Washington according to the editor-in-chief of the Wall Street Journal ......as follows......

God summons the leaders of the US, China and Britain and tells them the world will end tomorrow and they must prepare their people.
So Barack Obama goes on TV and says: My fellow Americans, I have good and bad news. We were right about the existence of God..but the world is about to end.
Xi Jinping then tells the Chinese: Bad News and worse news. We were wrong about the existence of God...and the world is about to end.
David Cameron goes on the BBC. "I have great news" he says " God thinks I'm one of the three most important people in the world".

And that is what it is all about. Governance in the UK is not about the good of the people of the UK (or anywhere else) and never has been.... but is all about the ego of the UK Government..and now people in the USA are coming to that conclusion. It has taken them a long time.

Oh here we go, oddquine wheeling out the usual squealing and whinging. Trying to say that's what the Americans think of us - in actual fact oddquine I was in America in September and October (you've travelled to USA? - please tell of your worldly-wise experience) and what I found is that the Americans have deep respect for us - I suppose an American reading the Guardian would think all Brits were left wing..
Oh by the way you missed the bit that the Editor is Gerard Baker, (British) was born and bred in England, was a wee bit left wing at Uni, but then turned Right calls himself "a "Right-Wing Curmudgeon". so your rather silly premise "this is what people in the USA..." is rather fatuous in the extreme.

Right; Parliament is made up of professional politicians who have been in the political 'world' for sometimes decades, and 397 of these, including Labour, LibDems, UUP, UKIP, voted that there should be an extension into Syria. How the heck YOU think you have more knowledge - do YOU have sight of the Joint Intelligence reports, that MP's see, sat at a keyboard in (most likely) the North of Scotland and most likely whinged about the democratic result of the Independence Referendum too.

So now you're going to reply by giving us a breakdown of your political experience, and your experience of Americans?
Of course you are entitled to your opinions, so am I, maybe you feel safer as the 'opposition' on this Org is gradually being picked off one by one, but hey, it's a democratic forum, and I am sure that the reports (in Guardian) that a number of Labour MP's were inclined to vote with the Government, went through the other division on threats of de-selection. seems that Corbyn wrote about this bullying - and its to stop last night at 11pm.. but I'm sure this doesn't apply here on 't Org - although I get a few 'words of advice' in PM's!

[rob murray]

Oh here we go, oddquine wheeling out the usual squealing and whinging. Trying to say that's what the Americans think of us - in actual fact oddquine I was in America in September and October (you've travelled to USA? - please tell of your worldly-wise experience) and what I found is that the Americans have deep respect for us - I suppose an American reading the Guardian would think all Brits were left wing..
Oh by the way you missed the bit that the Editor is Gerard Baker, (British) was born and bred in England, was a wee bit left wing at Uni, but then turned Right calls himself "a "Right-Wing Curmudgeon". so your rather silly premise "this is what people in the USA..." is rather fatuous in the extreme.

Right; Parliament is made up of professional politicians who have been in the political 'world' for sometimes decades, and 397 of these, including Labour, LibDems, UUP, UKIP, voted that there should be an extension into Syria. How the heck YOU think you have more knowledge - do YOU have sight of the Joint Intelligence reports, that MP's see, sat at a keyboard in (most likely) the North of Scotland and most likely whinged about the democratic result of the Independence Referendum too.

So now you're going to reply by giving us a breakdown of your political experience, and your experience of Americans?
Of course you are entitled to your opinions, so am I, maybe you feel safer as the 'opposition' on this Org is gradually being picked off one by one, but hey, it's a democratic forum, and I am sure that the reports (in Guardian) that a number of Labour MP's were inclined to vote with the Government, went through the other division on threats of de-selection. seems that Corbyn wrote about this bullying - and its to stop last night at 11pm.. but I'm sure this doesn't apply here on 't Org - although I get a few 'words of advice' in PM's!

You make an interesting point : 'opposition' on this Org is gradually being picked off one by one"..............and "bullying"............opposition to what ?

[rob murray]

Rank UK stupidity in action! Democracy it is not.

We bombed Afghanistan for years after 9/11 to stop the terrorists, then moved on to do Iraq twice and in-between, Libya......to stop the terrorists. Why, on God's good earth, do we think that repeating the same action in Syria is going to have better results than bombing has had over the last 14/15 years? To date, the only result of our indiscriminate bombing of those countries has been the escalation of war in the Middle East and a massive increase in terrorism in Western countries and against Western targets elsewhere in the world.

I appears that Cameron has become an after dinner joke in Washington according to the editor-in-chief of the Wall Street Journal ......as follows......

God summons the leaders of the US, China and Britain and tells them the world will end tomorrow and they must prepare their people.
So Barack Obama goes on TV and says: My fellow Americans, I have good and bad news. We were right about the existence of God..but the world is about to end.
Xi Jinping then tells the Chinese: Bad News and worse news. We were wrong about the existence of God...and the world is about to end.
David Cameron goes on the BBC. "I have great news" he says " God thinks I'm one of the three most important people in the world".

And that is what it is all about. Governance in the UK is not about the good of the people of the UK (or anywhere else) and never has been.... but is all about the ego of the UK Government..and now people in the USA are coming to that conclusion. It has taken them a long time.

Well SNP MP's voted against it so your concious should be clear, to say UK governance is all about ego is nonsense, whether you agree with it or not, the UK is, through the democtratic process joining the existing bombing strategy with countries already bombing, we are comming late to the situation and politically we had to be seen to be doing something ie becomming an active alliance partner. Its a hard world and some countires have long memories, EU entry for an indy Scotland....I can see France championing that cause ..not. Personally I dont agree with the bombing strategy afterall whats a couple more bombs dropped really going to do when terrorist cells, involving EU citizens are all over the place "sleeping" and awaiting mobilisation. UK involvement may set off terrorist activities in UK who knows ?

[rob murray]

Rank UK stupidity in action! Democracy it is not.

We bombed Afghanistan for years after 9/11 to stop the terrorists, then moved on to do Iraq twice and in-between, Libya......to stop the terrorists. Why, on God's good earth, do we think that repeating the same action in Syria is going to have better results than bombing has had over the last 14/15 years? To date, the only result of our indiscriminate bombing of those countries has been the escalation of war in the Middle East and a massive increase in terrorism in Western countries and against Western targets elsewhere in the world.

I appears that Cameron has become an after dinner joke in Washington according to the editor-in-chief of the Wall Street Journal ......as follows......

God summons the leaders of the US, China and Britain and tells them the world will end tomorrow and they must prepare their people.
So Barack Obama goes on TV and says: My fellow Americans, I have good and bad news. We were right about the existence of God..but the world is about to end.
Xi Jinping then tells the Chinese: Bad News and worse news. We were wrong about the existence of God...and the world is about to end.
David Cameron goes on the BBC. "I have great news" he says " God thinks I'm one of the three most important people in the world".

And that is what it is all about. Governance in the UK is not about the good of the people of the UK (or anywhere else) and never has been.... but is all about the ego of the UK Government..and now people in the USA are coming to that conclusion. It has taken them a long time.

Iraq and Libya situations had nowt to do with terrorists, these campaigns were regime changing strategically from the out set.