Anti-English?

[davth]

In the Forces and Fire Service I worked in great harmony with Jocks

Using this as a term to describe Scots really boils my urine, what is wrong with calling us Brits or Scots?
It is no better than using the term Paki

[golach]

Using this as a term to describe Scots really boils my urine, what is wrong with calling us Brits or Scots?
It is no better than using the term Paki

While in the Forces and the Merchant Navy, was often called Jock, never took it as an insult, the guy saying probably did not know my name and was being friendly, as were the terms of Taff and Paddy, even Geordie or Scouse, until I got to know them.

[tonkatojo]

While in the Forces and the Merchant Navy, was often called Jock, never took it as an insult, the guy saying probably did not know my name and was being friendly, as were the terms of Taff and Paddy, even Geordie or Scouse, until I got to know them.

Spot on golach, I heard the term "sweatys" often enough in the forces and hated it, but sticks and stones apply just as well. I had very good Scottish pal who was called "Jock", he was the one that introduced himself as Jock to the barrack room, I got Geordie John and took no offence and thought what the hell.

[davth]

While in the Forces and the Merchant Navy, was often called Jock, never took it as an insult, the guy saying probably did not know my name and was being friendly, as were the terms of Taff and Paddy, even Geordie or Scouse, until I got to know them.

How long ago was that though?
What did you use to refer to an Englishman whose name you didnt know?
If you dont know a persons name "excuse me" will work perfectly well.

[bekisman]

Using this as a term to describe Scots really boils my urine, what is wrong with calling us Brits or Scots?
It is no better than using the term Paki

Goodness me davth am I right in thinking you've never served in a military or 'rough' men-orientated profession? It's perfect normal to use 'Jock' or 'Taff' or 'Brum' or Scouse' as long as it's not used in a pejorative way i.e. 'those feffing jocks' THAT would be totally wrong.. my driver was 'Jock' Maclean, my buddy in the Far East was 'Paddy' Mitchell, I worked with a number of 'Taffs' (Taff Evans).. Possibly you missed the gist of my previous post, this was not a generalization of a nation, good God man I have Scottish blood in me I have two Scottish Daughters in Law - one from the Black Isle indeed. But an indication of prefix to people I worked with.. Incidentally 'Jock' is quite widely used as a nickname for John. IF I had been referring to Scots I would say "Scots".. I am sorry you reacted in such a way, offence was not intended, but I am rather taken aback at your contemptible use of the 'P' word alluded to in your post, surely that was not necessary!

[davth]

I have heard many folk referring to themselves as Geordies, but never once have I heard a Scotsman refer to himself as a "Sweaty Sock" or "Jock" unless of course he was in fact called Jock.

[davth]

What difference is there between Paki or Jock or Taff or Yank to use a slang for their place of origin? (none of which I use, posted merely to point out bekisman's hypocrisy)
If you meant John in your post then fair enough, but it doesn't read that way to me.
I am not offended by it in any way, as I said it just boils my urine a bit as there is no need to use the term.

You are correct I have never served in the military but what would you class as a male orientated profession?

[bekisman]

What difference is there between Paki or Jock or Taff or Yank to use a slang for their place of origin?
If you meant John in your post then fair enough, but it doesn't read that way to me.
I am not offended by it in any way, as I said it just boils my urine a bit as there is no need to use the term.

You are correct I have never served in the military but what would you class as a male orientated profession?

Jolly good, fair enough [You are correct I have never served in the military but what would you class as a male orientated profession? ] well generally I was referring to sweaty blokes with a knock-about attitude but who are a friendly bunch? Just noticed I've got a red reputation point one for using the 'J' word.. Ahhhh

[davth]

Jolly good, fair enough [You are correct I have never served in the military but what would you class as a male orientated profession? ] well generally I was referring to sweaty blokes with a knock-about attitude but who are a friendly bunch?

Aah like Farms, Power Stations, Building Sites, Oil Rigs etc, not that any profession is male orientated these days (unless you are sexist).
Yes I have and do, and if I am referred to as a Jock or Sweaty Sock by anyone they are told to go away and reproduce.

[davth]

Just noticed I've got a red reputation point one for using the 'J' word.. Ahhhh

Funny that, i got one also for illuminating someones hypocrisy.

[Tam 2000]

thank you for voting dodger, that way , they could not run a bath never mind the country.

[bekisman]

Aah like Farms, Power Stations, Building Sites, Oil Rigs etc, not that any profession is male orientated these days (unless you are sexist).
Yes I have and do, and if I am referred to as a Jock or Sweaty Sock by anyone they are told to go away and reproduce.

I'm pleased for you davth, presumably these were all over the UK? really, you've never heard anyone call another mate 'jock' if he was Scottish - obviously there are many on this Org who are Scottish and well traveled, and not one has been good naturedly referred to as 'Jock'?. As I mentioned I was in the Military and can honestly report I've not been 'told to go away et al' by any of the many friends/mates I risked my life with, supposed they were worldly wise enough to know that it was never said in a mocking tone. When I go over to Belfast in a month I'll be sure I don't call Dave Mitchell "Paddy" as he might, well you know...

[Tam 2000]

well said dodger, right decision.

[bekisman]

Funny that, i got one also for illuminating someones hypocrisy.

Yep that was me! for putting up a word that IS offensive.. Quote (look it up)
But Lord Justice Auld overturned the ruling yesterday, saying it was clear that the word "Paki" - short for Pakistani - was "a slang expression which is racially offensive".


He dismissed claims that the term could be used affectionately in the way that Australians are sometimes called "Aussies", Britons "Poms" and Americans "Yanks"....

[bekisman]

While in the Forces and the Merchant Navy, was often called Jock, never took it as an insult, the guy saying probably did not know my name and was being friendly, as were the terms of Taff and Paddy, even Geordie or Scouse, until I got to know them.

Well there you are! said with experience

[davth]

I'm pleased for you davth, presumably these were all over the UK? really, you've never heard anyone call another mate 'jock' if he was Scottish - obviously there are many on this Org who are Scottish and well traveled, and not one has been good naturedly referred to as 'Jock'?. As I mentioned I was in the Military and can honestly report I've not been 'told to go away et al' by any of the many friends/mates I risked my life with, supposed they were worldly wise enough to know that it was never said in a mocking tone. When I go over to Belfast in a month I'll be sure I don't call Dave Mitchell "Paddy" as he might, well you know...

Further afield than the UK to be honest.
I have heard plenty folk being called jock, but I have never heard a person refer to himself as jock unless he was John.
It's only ever an Englishman I have heard use the term though, and they don't like being told to go away (in a slightly more industrial tone) when it's aimed in my direction.

[rob murray]

Well there you are! said with experience

A bit of history : The 9th (Scottish) Division, was one of the Kitchener'sArmydivisions raised from volunteers by LordKitchener to serve on the Western Front during the First WorldWar.After the 1st South African Infantry BrigadeGroup joined in early 1916, the division was known colloquiallyas the Jockand Springboks.The 9th (Scottish) Division took part in major fighting during the Sommeoffensive. Notably it relieved the 30th Division at Montauban and laterattacked German positions at Bernafay Wood, where it succeeded in capturingvital objectives and forcing a German withdrawal. In the Somme offensive, the9th (Scottish) Division liberated the village of Longueval,the village now has a statue of a Scottish piper at its crossroads thatcommemorates this fact and also other pipers who served in World War I One would say that these men were proud of being called Jocks and the term Jock being associatted with "warriors / ladies from hell" !!!

[davth]

I'm pleased for you davth, presumably these were all over the UK? really, you've never heard anyone call another mate 'jock' if he was Scottish - obviously there are many on this Org who are Scottish and well traveled, and not one has been good naturedly referred to as 'Jock'?. As I mentioned I was in the Military and can honestly report I've not been 'told to go away et al' by any of the many friends/mates I risked my life with, supposed they were worldly wise enough to know that it was never said in a mocking tone. When I go over to Belfast in a month I'll be sure I don't call Dave Mitchell "Paddy" as he might, well you know...

A lot of things are the norm or acceptable in the military.
Meanwhile in real life they are not the norm or acceptable.

[rob murray]

A lot of things are the norm or acceptable in the military.
Meanwhile in real life they are not the norm or acceptable.

Ive been in ENgland loads of times never been called Jock once, can see how the term has historical connatations in miltary and say on building sites etc where guys use nicknames, just as guys there get called geordies, scousers, brummies etc ..all acceptable but as was said try using the term P*ddy or M**k and watch out,maybe some folk would object to being called Jock but all depends on circumstances as I see it, if intended as an insult then its not on !!

[cptdodger]

When I worked in England in the early 90's I was nicknamed "Haggis" we all had nicknames for each other, no harm meant, in fact, my best friend from those days still calls me that! The only thing I object to being referred to is "scotch" I am not a drink !!