Tax Credit cuts : The Tories New Poll Tax Image ??

[rob murray]

Tuesday night's defeat has seemingly exposed a split at the top of the Conservative Party, a senior Tory source has told BBC News, with Mr Osborne accused of refusing to listen to MPs' concerns.
"Since they won a majority, the leadership think they're God's gift to politics and think that anything they think or do must be correct by the very dint of them thinking or saying it.
"They will not be moved, despite pressure and warnings - tax credits are just the biggest example of folk seeing an issue coming down the road and them refusing to acknowledge it could do some damage," said the senior figure, who was among those pushing for a rethink on tax credits.....sorta reminds me on advise senior tories got over the pol tax and look where that got them !! ( rightly or wrongly, for or against the Poll tax.... it directly cost Thatcher her job, sent a huge message out to the country, that nearly got Labour back in ...if it wasnt for the "KInnock factor" )

Osbourne has replied that he is promising "transitional help" for those affected, details to be announced in November, but he has vowed to press on with changes designed to save c 4 billions from welfare. I bet he will do 2 things 1 Implement intended changes on new claimants right now 2 Time the cuts to cut in when the new national wage comes in, ok he cannot make the intended savings in his desired time frame but he will play about with the timing...the cuts will come, its just a matter of time. It will be interesting to see, if he is so intent on making the savings, if he decides to up his take on inheritance and corporation tax so he can make his fiscal targets on time.....I wouldnt bet on it though !! He needs to get the dough and make the changes as early as is possible, then he has 4 more years to make things "better"

[BetterTogether]

At least the mistake has been stopped before it became a real issue the joy of having a second chamber, meanwhile north of the border nothing is challenged and the demonisation of the Conservative party continues by those it would appear are more than happy to have a one party SNP state.

[rob murray]

At least the mistake has been stopped before it became a real issue the joy of having a second chamber, meanwhile north of the border nothing is challenged and the demonisation of the Conservative party continues by those it would appear are more than happy to have a one party SNP state.

Hold on...its not stopped....we have to wait and see what is proposed ie transitional deals etc and thank god, in this situation, we have a second chamber .....Ruth Davidson went public on her take against tax credits and she cannot be tarred with the Osbourne brush....Davidson will give Surgeon a mauling now that Sturgeon has publically stated... judge the SNP on their record.....the stage is hers.... as the LD's are to far of the radar, Labour...less said the better / not enough time to make any real inroads organisationally etc.I would say that there are many "quiet" tories in Scotland who will make their presence felt come the election next year...joined by people impressed by Davidson who is a right battler when she gets going and she will have plenty ammo and targets to fire at .....enough to to nudge the tories forward in what could be their best election result in scotia for years.

[weezer 316]

Hold on...its not stopped....we have to wait and see what is proposed ie transitional deals etc and thank god, in this situation, we have a second chamber .....Ruth Davidson went public on her take against tax credits and she cannot be tarred with the Osbourne brush....Davidson will give Surgeon a mauling now that Sturgeon has publically stated... judge the SNP on their record.....the stage is hers.... as the LD's are to far of the radar, Labour...less said the better / not enough time to make any real inroads organisationally etc.I would say that there are many "quiet" tories in Scotland who will make their presence felt come the election next year...joined by people impressed by Davidson who is a right battler when she gets going and she will have plenty ammo and targets to fire at .....enough to to nudge the tories forward in what could be their best election result in scotia for years.

SNP will sweep the board. Nationalism has taken hold and history shows its irrelevant what the facts of a situation are, it needs to burn itself out first. Very difficult to beat a ideology that always looks for scapegoats to distract from its own problems and given the perfect storm of unpopular tories in WM and the closeness of next years elections its unlikely any issues, even the serious ones Scotland faces in the NHS, our enourmous deficit and the current attempt to take over uni's by the govt.

[rob murray]

SNP will sweep the board. Nationalism has taken hold and history shows its irrelevant what the facts of a situation are, it needs to burn itself out first. Very difficult to beat a ideology that always looks for scapegoats to distract from its own problems and given the perfect storm of unpopular tories in WM and the closeness of next years elections its unlikely any issues, even the serious ones Scotland faces in the NHS, our enourmous deficit and the current attempt to take over uni's by the govt.

Totally agree and yes they will sweep the boards...despite as you say scapegoating / diverting attention away from their actual record of government, but Ruth Davidson for one will make them squirm....the abandonment of indy 2 will have an impact as well. Time will dampen the indy supporters enthusiasm away from the SNP.

[rob murray]

watch this space ...........see below.... how can Osbourne help those who lose out...doesnt make any sense ??? nowt worse than a tory scorned eh ?????

Chancellor George Osborne has vowed to bring tax credit spending "under control" despite the government's defeats in the House of Lords.
He told the BBC "uncontrolled" welfare spending, including on tax credits, was a threat to the UK's economic security.
While offering to help those set to lose out, Mr Osborne said he would not "lose sight" of his long-term goal of a "low-welfare, high-wage economy".

[Alrock]

At least the mistake has been stopped before it became a real issue the joy of having a second chamber, meanwhile north of the border nothing is challenged and the demonisation of the Conservative party continues by those it would appear are more than happy to have a one party SNP state.

Yet more anti-SNP propaganda...

Party	Total
Scottish National Party	64
Scottish Labour	38
Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party	15
Scottish Liberal Democrats	5
Scottish Green Party	2
Independent	3
No Party Affiliation	1
Total number of MSPs	128

Doesn't look like a one party state to me...

[rob murray]

Yet more anti-SNP propaganda...

Party	Total
Scottish National Party	64
Scottish Labour	38
Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party	15
Scottish Liberal Democrats	5
Scottish Green Party	2
Independent	3
No Party Affiliation	1
Total number of MSPs	128

Doesn't look like a one party state to me...

Not quiet, but going by these stats the only gains I can see will come mainly from the tories, Labour hasnt the time or people to make inroads, LD's could well be a busted flush, given indy polls % SNP could even well increase their MSP's even though there will be no indy 2 in next parliament, so I guess we are stuck with the situation until people wise upto SNP record, other parties gain seats and SNP vote withers as it slowly dawns that indy 2 is in the long grass.

[BetterTogether]

I wasn't aware that I was only supposed to post pro SNP articles.

Maybe someone could enlighten me to where that rule applies or are they supposed to be just beyond criticism on some National basis nowadays.

[rob murray]

I wasn't aware that I was only supposed to post pro SNP articles.

Maybe someone could enlighten me to where that rule applies or are they supposed to be just beyond criticism on some National basis nowadays.

Try reading Animal farm....2 legs bad 4 legs good...your a 2 legger so out of step

[Alrock]

I wasn't aware that I was only supposed to post pro SNP articles.

Maybe someone could enlighten me to where that rule applies or are they supposed to be just beyond criticism on some National basis nowadays.

Post as many anti SNP articles as you like, just don't make them up...