If you're interested in what the Named person Scheme will mean to you, your family and children this is worth a listen.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=clsaHHT_Vxk
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Named person scheme falls apart under BBC interrogation
If you're interested in what the Named person Scheme will mean to you, your family and children this is worth a listen.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=clsaHHT_Vxk
1K.Orger
Is this for every child or just the ones already under social services ?Originally Posted by BetterTogether
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The named person is for every child in Scotland.
1K.Orger
How on earth are they going to even contemplate carrying that out? Fair play if the child/children are already on the at risk register, but in this day and age you are not going to let some random person tell you what you can or cannot do with your children. And where are all these upstanding citizens going to come from, Teachers, Police, Doctors? I can give you an example of people in every one of these professions being in court on child abuse charges. Clearly I am not tarring everybody in those professions with the same brush, but you can never be too careful.
Talk about a nanny state.
1K.Orger
I think this is just a Charter for paedophiles , who are the chosen ones going to be, and who will monitor them?
Once the original Grumpy Owld Man but alas no more
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Well I gather it's all a bit wishy washy and not particularly well thought at at the moment. The organisations which are to be tasked with implementing the provisions don't seem overly happy about it either. But I'm sure Squidge is probably totally up to speed on it all and will give you valid reasons why every child in Scotland up to the age of 18 will need a state sponsored guardian who will tell them it's ok to keep secrets from parents and guide them along life's route despite whatever the parents may agree or disagree with.
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The Named Person concept has been ongoing in Highland Region for a few years now as Highland was chosen as one of the areas to pilot it. All children have a Named Person. The Named person for children from birth to 10 days of age is the Midwife, for children aged from 11 days up until school entry it's the Health Visitor, and for school aged children it's the Head Teacher.
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And you're perfectly ok with it ?
Not concerned that someone outwith your family unit tells your child it's ok to keep secrets from them?
Or doesn't the concept of a private life without state intrusion bother you in the slightest ?
I seem to recall that being part of the human rights thing
Right to a private life without unnecessary state intrusion.
Last edited by BetterTogether; 28-Sep-15 at 22:26.
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I'm perfectly OK with it.
In my experience there's no "unnecessary state intrusion" involved.
The Named People are people who have always, in the past been involved with children and families, and their roles are no different from how they ever were....just a different name i.e Named Person.
Their main role is to support children and families when support is required, and have minimal involvement when not required.
1K.Orger
The named person has been in place since my son was born 26 years ago! It just wasnt called the named person but let's have a look... CPT you must have experienced the same service.
1989 - all pregnant women are allocated a midwife prior to birth and up to 10 days after birth when they hand over to health visitor, the HV looks after child until age 5 when the headteacher or guidance teacher takes over until child leaves school.
2015 - all pregnant women allocated a named person - a midwife from before birth until 10 days after birth when they hand over to health visitor, the HV looks after the child until they are five when the head teacher or guidance teacher takes over as named person until the child leaves school or is 18.
In fact 26 years ago the role of the HV was much more intrusive - weekly visits to your home until child was 12 weeks and woe betide you if you didn't turn up to baby clinic to get baby weighed!
The main difference with this new legislation is that the named person is the contact for any agency or intervention which takes place for that child. So police, social work, any concerns a neighbour or other professional or indeed a parent has can be passed to the named person and this will help to ensure that nothing is missed and to establish any pattern or other concern.
There is no requirement on the named person to be doing assessments on every child. It is only if there is a concern about a child's behaviour that the named person would do any more than their normal role as a teacher or health visitor. Many parents of children with additional support needs have reported that having a NP makes things a lot easier as the NP co ordinates everything for that child and acts as a single point of contact.
In addition, the named person has the new role of linking with a child's new school if the child moves to ensure that they are indeed at that school and that any concerns are passed on.
As for a paedophiles charter that's nonsense. The named person is the professionals as shown, where the headteacher delegates the role - in a big school for example - it must be to a teacher holding an enhanced post - like guidance or year head for example. You might as well say that putting a child to school is a paedophiles charter.
Gingernut is absolutely right to say that it has been operated in Highland for several years. In the normal run of things there will be no specific action for a named person to take other than their normal duties. Only if something causes a concern would any further assessment or action be necessary.
I do have some concerns around how this operates if the relationship between parent and NP has broken down, or if a child is home educated and its not clear how the role of NP works once a child has left school but before they are 18. But the level of hysteria about this role is nonsense.
If you are worried here is the legislation. It looks a bit daunting perhaps but it is just section 4. You can read it yourself. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/20...ntents/enacted
I do have to admit to stifling a wry smile at BT promoting No2Np which is led by a Christian organisation!
Last edited by squidge; 28-Sep-15 at 23:50.
1K.Orger
Okay, but a Named Person suggests to me just that, one named person not a multitude as in my case. I can't tell you how many midwifes I had, I certainly didn't have a named one, and I had four children, two born in Scotland, with the second child, most of the care was in England, then I had him in Scotland because of an incident at Whipps Cross Hospital in East London, then the younger two were born in England, one at home, one in hospital. I was lucky if I saw the same midwife twice. As for Health Visitors, I saw them when I took the children to be weighed, again not just one person, I never saw a Health Visitor outwith that.
Schools, in my Grandsons case, who is not out of Primary school yet (England) he has had umpteen teachers (they keep leaving) and at the last count four different Head teachers. It may very well be different in the Highland Region, because of the sparse population compared to where I lived in Scotland and England (London), but to me, there will be no continuity, no matter which way you look at it.
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