Sturgeon backtracks over room in her home for refugees

[BetterTogether]

It seems the First Minsiter has managed to do an astounding back track over her offer to give a room to refugees. After a very public announcement it now appears the usual politician weasel words have sprung into action.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-refugees.html

[Redsnapper]

Also understand she once owned a volkswagen and is therefor responsible for the VW emission scandal

[BetterTogether]

Also understand she once owned a volkswagen and is therefor responsible for the VW emission scandal

That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest lol


Meanwhile can anyone explain after why making such a public statement to the whole Nation she is now quietly back peddling and doing what she accuses other politicians of pure hypocrisy.

[Fulmar]

''Last week the Government said that refugees coming to the UK from Syria would not in fact be housed in spare rooms as it is a ‘short-term solution to a long-term problem’. Almost 600 landlords came forward to offer their properties to Syrian refugees as part of a campaign by the charity Citizens UK.''

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3n0y31FRU
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According to the article, even if she wanted to house refugees temporarily this is not what the government is planning to do with those families that are being admitted to the UK at the present time. It further states that only 100 have come in to date so personally, I think that it is too soon to judge the matter or the motives of those who have offered to take in refugees.

[rob murray]

''Last week the Government said that refugees coming to the UK from Syria would not in fact be housed in spare rooms as it is a ‘short-term solution to a long-term problem’. Almost 600 landlords came forward to offer their properties to Syrian refugees as part of a campaign by the charity Citizens UK.''

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3n0y31FRU
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According to the article, even if she wanted to house refugees temporarily this is not what the government is planning to do with those families that are being admitted to the UK at the present time. It further states that only 100 have come in to date so personally, I think that it is too soon to judge the matter or the motives of those who have offered to take in refugees.

She did say that she would take refugees into her house........maybe she should have kept quiet and waited to see what panned out ??

[squidge]

I have offered space to refugees in my home too. There is a website that I have signed up to, where you fill in your details and the space you have. However, as yet, there are no plans for me to take a refugee into my home. That's not cos I have changed my mind, backtracked, wriggled out of it, sidestepped it, am avoiding it or any other reasons than as yet there are no plans In Place to house refugees in spare rooms.

[rob murray]

I have offered space to refugees in my home too. There is a website that I have signed up to, where you fill in your details and the space you have. However, as yet, there are no plans for me to take a refugee into my home. That's not cos I have changed my mind, backtracked, wriggled out of it, sidestepped it, am avoiding it or any other reasons than as yet there are no plans In Place to house refugees in spare rooms.

Fine, ms sturgeon was perhaps to hasty in her "offer" then, good intent though. like your self well intended.

[squidge]

The Daily Mail Article makes it clear that she was asked if she would take a refugee into her home by a reporter to which she replied that she would as part of a wider organised arrangement. For the Daily Mail to then say she somehow has reneged on a "vow" is nuts. Did they expect her to drive to Calais, or Greece, or Syria itself and pluck a refugee out of the crowd and return with them to Scotland? If and when there is a system for allocating refugees then I would expect that I will hear. I'm sure that the FM will hear too.

[rob murray]

The Daily Mail Article makes it clear that she was asked if she would take a refugee into her home by a reporter to which she replied that she would as part of a wider organised arrangement. For the Daily Mail to then say she somehow has reneged on a "vow" is nuts. Did they expect her to drive to Calais, or Greece, or Syria itself and pluck a refugee out of the crowd and return with them to Scotland? If and when there is a system for allocating refugees then I would expect that I will hear. I'm sure that the FM will hear too.

"If and when there is a system for allocating refugees then I would expect that I will hear. I'm sure that the FM will hear too"......their taking their time on organising this then given the enormority of the situation ???

[squidge]

Pretty much Rob. They are indeed. But the ability to increase the speed of response lies, erm, gosh, ahhhh, with the Westminster Government. ( I know I know you hate that being said but it's true) As they aren't hurrying to do anything very much then we all just have to wait. Donations are always useful though - 2nd Artic is arriving in Inverness from Shetland this week, Earlier than expected. If you know anywhere that can be used for storage until we get keys for the long term location then it would be helpful. Or if anyone this end wants to volunteer to handball stuff off the truck then drop me a PM.

[rob murray]

Pretty much Rob. They are indeed. But the ability to increase the speed of response lies, erm, gosh, ahhhh, with the Westminster Government. ( I know I know you hate that being said but it's true) As they aren't hurrying to do anything very much then we all just have to wait. Donations are always useful though - 2nd Artic is arriving in Inverness from Shetland this week, Earlier than expected. If you know anywhere that can be used for storage until we get keys for the long term location then it would be helpful. Or if anyone this end wants to volunteer to handball stuff off the truck then drop me a PM.

In fairness though are the delays not caused by failures in EU to agree a coordinated strategy and not soley to westminster ?

[BetterTogether]

Ooh another Lorry load of clothes food and other goodies heading down to look after some of those men in refugee camps who are raping and abusing women and children, out and out misogynists and forcing women who aren't protected into prostitution how very liberal.

I Wonder how comfortably that sits with the people supplying all the goodies.

No doubt a profound silence will ensue or some excuse be given for what is now quite a well known and common occurrence.

[squidge]

In fairness though are the delays not caused by failures in EU to agree a coordinated strategy and not soley to westminster ?

You are right that they are to a degree but the WM government is acting unilaterally to take a very small number of refugees and it is within their power to do more and do it more quickly. Scotland is powerless to do anything different or to make it happen any quicker I'm afraid.

[rob murray]

You are right that they are to a degree but the WM government is acting unilaterally to take a very small number of refugees and it is within their power to do more and do it more quickly. Scotland is powerless to do anything different or to make it happen any quicker I'm afraid.

Seemingly, Pentland Housing Association are keen to house refugees. PHA is working along with the local authority to find out if it can earmark any of its 500 properties across Caithness for this purpose so is that not making things happen / planning quickly albeit when the fine print is finally there ? .see http://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/...s-27092015.htm from the Groat

[squidge]

Absolutely, we can prepare but we can't make refugees get here any quicker. We can have all the systems in place, like the list of people willing to house refugees and local authorities ready to roll but we can't get refugees here any quicker than the law and the politicians allow.

[BetterTogether]

Suprising how some people assume there is a great desire by the public at large to being large quantities of refugees into the country.
Considering how one of the major factors the electorate are concerned about is immigration it seems at odds that small pressure groups and charitable institutions are using their influence to go against the majority will of the nation.
Already we have seen the figure increase from 10,000 to 20,000 but that isn't enough there has to be more and more and more.

Yet still the other posters are ignoring the other factors at play in this crisis.

The undeniable influx of masses of men of working age from multiple nations seeking work to send back to their families.

The misogyny, the rape, the abuse, the violence the uncomfortable truths which are being blithely brushed aside or totally ignored but it doesn't fit with their limited world view.

In Scotland we already have a waiting list for council properties but it seem that those already waiting should be brushed aside to house people from other countries some of whom may well be refugees others who knows their motives.

[rob murray]

Absolutely, we can prepare but we can't make refugees get here any quicker. We can have all the systems in place, like the list of people willing to house refugees and local authorities ready to roll but we can't get refugees here any quicker than the law and the politicians allow.

Yes but as Ive said on here before things need to be planned out as regards dispersal / housing / availability impact upon services ( education, NHS, dentistry, things that the core infrastructure needs to have in place and can accomodate ) they all have to be planned out, we cannot magically take an influx without the planning, otherwise we will create an unholy mess. Ive not read any updates on this, ie the key issues which will determine how many folk we can properly accomodate ?? Unfortunatly for those on the ground, the displaced, there is a higher agenda as depicted by current geo political discussions at the UN involving Putin etc based on gaining some resolution in Syria which may lead to stablisation, therefore no need for refugees to flee the war. BUt its all ifs and buts isnt it, so the whole crisis is now in no mans land, maye a resolution can be brokered hence no need to flee, hence refugee situation is no longer pressing...Im by no means up to date on middle east politics / Russia / USA....but talks are happening which may explain the "slow" response in parts.

[rob murray]

Suprising how some people assume there is a great desire by the public at large to being large quantities of refugees into the country.
Considering how one of the major factors the electorate are concerned about is immigration it seems at odds that small pressure groups and charitable institutions are using their influence to go against the majority will of the nation.
Already we have seen the figure increase from 10,000 to 20,000 but that isn't enough there has to be more and more and more.

Yet still the other posters are ignoring the other factors at play in this crisis.

The undeniable influx of masses of men of working age from multiple nations seeking work to send back to their families.

The misogyny, the rape, the abuse, the violence the uncomfortable truths which are being blithely brushed aside or totally ignored but it doesn't fit with their limited world view.

In Scotland we already have a waiting list for council properties but it seem that those already waiting should be brushed aside to house people from other countries some of whom may well be refugees others who knows their motives.

My point is that prior to making any decisions on numbers / types of Syrian asyulm seekers we have to have the infrastructure in place ie housing, education, NHS, dentistry service etc, and also a planned disperal programme not lumping refugees togther in single places creating non interated ghettos whihc dominate south east england ( coastal towns ) as any influx will impact upon these services, most are stretched as it is, so a great degree of planning must be done to accomodate service consumption increases..... otherwise the mess will be that theres not enough services to go round in the short term, ghettos are created and impact upon UK citizens.......its not a lack of compassion but its facing up to the hard facts, service availability / capacity and integration

[BetterTogether]

You're changing the debate Rob as is Squidge you're now discussing how we can take more by sorting out infrastructure but you've yet to address the serious issues which are occurring within the refugee camps currently.

Misogyny , rape, sexual abuse of women and children, forced prostitution, Violence.

Unless you address those very serious issues are you tacitly saying it's all ok as long as we've sorted out the infrastructure before hand.

I fully accept Squidge will play her usual ignore tactic because it's easier to pretend not to see posts that way you can't be pulled into dealing with the uncomfortable issues surrounding the issue but you sir have no excuse.

Are these men the sort you want in this country, men who consider women second class citizens, men who do not respect western liberal values, men who consider a woman not dressed in a Niqab and wearing a short skirt as sexually available for his own pleasure.
Instead of blathering about housing and infrastructure deal with the harsh realities.

Germany is now struggling with these issues but you two seem to prefer to not see the issue and just keep waving them in.

[cptdodger]

Well I hope for your sakes that when they place "refugees" in Caithness they know what they are dealing with. As I said on another thread, and people thought I was being nasty, when Britain took thousands of refugees (I don't know if they were referred to as that back then) from the former Yugoslavia, they thought they would be grateful for housing and so on and to be away from a war torn country. What they didn't check was what factions they were from and housed them in the same area.

We had at times running gun battles, any innocent bystander that got caught up in that, tough, they were Police no go areas, the place was turned into a mini war zone. It was an awful time. It still amazes me here that children are allowed out on their own to play, I could not allow my children to do that, in any way shape or form.

Be careful what you wish for, because your way of life as you know it, is under threat.