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    Quote Originally Posted by squidge View Post
    Rob really, are you truly complaining about being called quislings and then in the same breath branding SNP supporters as fascists?

    ThEre are nasty elements in every group of people wherever they gather and whatever they call themselves, Rob. The point is that the "nasty element of the SNP" does not include Sean Clerkin and therefore this event this morning was not the Real face of the SNP.

    You want my take on the quislings video? I think it is unacceptable to call people quislings full stop. Nor do I think that voting labour makes you some sort of idiot. I don't think either of these are accurate or kind. I wouldn't share this or support it. Nor would I support attacks on members of the public in Election Offices, or the suggestion that Tories should be booted, or the comments that suggest that those supporting the Union should take up arms, or the suggestion that supporting the SNP makes me a fascist - all commonly expressed by labour supporters in the last week. Now, how about you? You support the view that we are all nazis? You think that labour supporters should arm themselves to protect the union?
    Do not be stupid ! Its extremist SNP twats calling folk quislings, and yes these people are engaging in fascist anti democratic practices ( I take it the Glasgow Uni site has hit home has it ) Your comment about labour supporters arming themselves is worse than pathetic..and no I dont believe in violence full stop, but do your "crowd" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by squidge View Post
    Rob really, are you truly complaining about being called quislings and then in the same breath branding SNP supporters as fascists?

    ThEre are nasty elements in every group of people wherever they gather and whatever they call themselves, Rob. The point is that the "nasty element of the SNP" does not include Sean Clerkin and therefore this event this morning was not the Real face of the SNP.

    You want my take on the quislings video? I think it is unacceptable to call people quislings full stop. Nor do I think that voting labour makes you some sort of idiot. I don't think either of these are accurate or kind. I wouldn't share this or support it. Nor would I support attacks on members of the public in Election Offices, or the suggestion that Tories should be booted, or the comments that suggest that those supporting the Union should take up arms, or the suggestion that supporting the SNP makes me a fascist - all commonly expressed by labour supporters in the last week. Now, how about you? You support the view that we are all nazis? You think that labour supporters should arm themselves to protect the union?
    Sorry Miss / Ms / Mrs, deluded but you are either a member of a party with deep fascist roots or are a fascist sympathiser..see .http://ianssmart.blogspot.co.uk/2014...nd-others.html read your glorious parties "fascist / bigoted" history.........funny that the labour party greats including Keir Hardie, James Maxton, Manny Shinwell, John Maclean et all were great libertarians ( at least 3 jailed for their beliefs ) as were the working people ( scots ) who fought fascism in Spain with the international brigade and provided monetary support and medical / ambulance services (and not to the republican fascists ). Your partys past is not mentioned by your current mob, your past has been airbrushed from history and no bloody wonder eh...roots are deep in fascist /bigotry, of that there can be no doubt. More mouth frothing eh but I aint no fascist ? Argue / squirm your way out of the sordid SNP past....go on go for it I love a laugh at revisionism.

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    The 4 ring leaders are well known idiots who have been making trouble for many years. They have said that they are not supporters of the SNP & are part of a bunch of nutters called Scottish Resistance. It seems as if Murphy's friends in his party constituency contacted them at 8.30am about Murphy's movements.

    The SNP & Nicola Sturgeon have both condemned it, as do I but no party can control or be expected to control extremists. Extremists exist in all of the political spectrum. To use these idiots as an example of SNP supporters is like comparing the BNP to the Tory party.


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    Rob, You asked me did I support the behaviour of the people in the quislings video and I said quite clearly and unequivocally that I do not. I simply asked you in return whether you support those people, like Ian Smart actually, who throw around the "all nats are nazis" insult and those like Jill Stephenson who suggest that unionists should arm themselves in the event of SNP success at the polls. It is clear that you refuse to call out your own nasty element and think that i and those other people supporting the SNP are fascists. That disappoints me.

    I will say this, you throw around great labour names like Keir hardy, James Maxwell and John Maclean but I am sure that even someone like you can recognise that the Labour Party of today is a pale imitation, a mere shadow of the party that those great names envisaged. Those great people you mention would be ashamed of the Labour Party today, turning in their graves at the idea that their party of the people has lost its way to such an extent that people think there is the possibility of them losing every seat they hold in Scotland in this General Election. There is nowhere else to lay blame for that than at the feet of the Labour Party itself.

    So just as the labour party is different than it used to be so the SNP is different. It also offers something different as far as politics is concerned and that's why around 105 000 people have joined. Or are we all fascists? All nazis? Get a grip.

    You continue to hurl around your insults, call me names, say I'm stupid and a fascist, join your voices with Ian smart and jill Stephenson when they call us nazis and say we should be shot - all 105 000 of us, if that is what you need to do to feel like you are winning. Like you are the "big man". All I did was point out the information which was available about what happened and crucially who was involved today. Im not trading insults with you all night Rob. Me? Us? We will get on with listening to people who actually have something to say that is worth listening to and guess what... That is not you.
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    The time for honouring himself will soon be at an end.
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    Courage to change the things I can,
    And wisdom to know the difference.

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    Sadly whether the report was accurate or not, this is what the media will latch onto.

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    You are right Lizz, which is why it is important that where there is information about what really happened and who these people really were that can be verified, it is shared as widely as possible. I did make an error in one of my earlier posts. I said there were 2 protestors. There were actually 4.
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    I think you are correct Golach, these Nat trumpets had a republican flute band at one of their demo`s last week !!!!

    What next ? a power share with Sinn Fein ? a shower of murdering terrorists just to achieve the feat of fullfilling their ego ?

    We all seen the burning of saltires in George Square but we also seen the burning of Union flags- which was swept under the carpet I may add, the constant bullying of folk who are strong enough to make up their own mind & vote yes or No to swing for the Yes campaign last year heavilly orchestrated by Nats. These cretins make me sick, as for that clown attacking Murphy yesterday- He has history for it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by squidge View Post
    Rob, You asked me did I support the behaviour of the people in the quislings video and I said quite clearly and unequivocally that I do not. I simply asked you in return whether you support those people, like Ian Smart actually, who throw around the "all nats are nazis" insult and those like Jill Stephenson who suggest that unionists should arm themselves in the event of SNP success at the polls. It is clear that you refuse to call out your own nasty element and think that i and those other people supporting the SNP are fascists. That disappoints me.

    I will say this, you throw around great labour names like Keir hardy, James Maxwell and John Maclean but I am sure that even someone like you can recognise that the Labour Party of today is a pale imitation, a mere shadow of the party that those great names envisaged. Those great people you mention would be ashamed of the Labour Party today, turning in their graves at the idea that their party of the people has lost its way to such an extent that people think there is the possibility of them losing every seat they hold in Scotland in this General Election. There is nowhere else to lay blame for that than at the feet of the Labour Party itself.

    So just as the labour party is different than it used to be so the SNP is different. It also offers something different as far as politics is concerned and that's why around 105 000 people have joined. Or are we all fascists? All nazis? Get a grip.

    You continue to hurl around your insults, call me names, say I'm stupid and a fascist, join your voices with Ian smart and jill Stephenson when they call us nazis and say we should be shot - all 105 000 of us, if that is what you need to do to feel like you are winning. Like you are the "big man". All I did was point out the information which was available about what happened and crucially who was involved today. Im not trading insults with you all night Rob. Me? Us? We will get on with listening to people who actually have something to say that is worth listening to and guess what... That is not you.
    We.....us.....Ive never heard of the people you mention...honestly I havent...they sound like a grim bunch of twisted idiots to me....so your saying Im a twisted warped idiot eh...thanks a bunch. Will agree that Labour complacency and drift from roots will kill them come Fridays announcements, its a pity that a once glorious workers party has been reduced to what they are. STill Labour dont airbrush their history : you still havent replied to the Glasgow Uni url on SNP election "tactics"....cos you know theres truth there and wont admit it. I maybe many things but I am not in denial.
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    [QUOTE=rob murray;1117882]Fantastic, cheers thanks very much ! Hysterical nonsense, I never said 105,000 should be shot nor implied it nor expressed any support for such insane nonsense, do you think Im Polpot, stop playing the victim looking for demons / enemies : maybe you are chuffed that someone wants to shoot all 105,000 of you... immortal heroism a calling. Never mind Friday should see you top of the world ! Its what happens post Friday that will be of interest.

    Good bye !

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    Fantastic, cheers thanks very much ! Hysterical nonsense, I never said 105,000 should be shot nor implied it nor expressed any support for such insane nonsense, do you think Im Polpot, stop playing the victim looking for demons / enemies : maybe you are chuffed that someone wants to shoot all 105,000 of you... immortal heroism a calling. Never mind Friday should see you top of the world ! Its what happens post Friday that will be of interest.

    Good bye !
    Ok Rob - lets make this clear to you

    I dont think that you want us all dead - just like you are not the same as Ian Smart or Jill Stephenson - both Labour activists and commentators who you say you have never heard of and yet have linked to Ian Smarts blog in one of your posts. I can accept that you havent heard of these people. Why would you - they dont represent you or sensible voices in your party I am sure, despite the fact that Ian Smart is rolled out onto the television to speak up for labour is unfortunate. They are people who call people like me nazis and say folk should be shot. Again and Again and again.

    However, In the same way that I am not Sean Clerkin, you are not these people either. But yet you demanded that I condemn the activities of people like Sean Clerkin who are not members of the SNP but somehow my responsibility anyway (?) and I did. But if I am responsible for His behaviour in a way that requires me to condemn it then surely you, are required to condemn the appalling behaviour of the worst of the opposition. The fact that you dont know the worst of what goes on by labour activists and commentators and yet loudly trumpet the worst that goes on by people who are not SNP members or even supporters makes me wonder at your knowledge of such things. I know exactly who these trouble makers are which is why i was able to provide you with information about those involved yesterday, I know what is going on with the SNP campaign but I also know the good and the bad of the Labour campaign and the tory campaign too.


    Finally your Glasgow Blog. Interestingly George Laird is as much of a numpty as Sean Clerkin. George Laird appears to have no connection with Either Glasgow university or human rights organisations and is a bit of a fatasist. We can argue about how bad the campaigns have been on both sides if you would like to do that. Natalie McGarry was followed home, to her parents, her whereabouts was tweeted by labour councillors and activists throughout both the referendum campaign and the election campaign = even to the extent that they took pictures of where she was sleeping when she wasnt at home. Natalie McGarry particularly has been subjected to heckling by male labour councillors at hustings where they take seats in the front row and shout over Natalie speaking and only Natalie speaking. Much of what is written in that blog is lies and much is exaggeration. I have been very involved in a send off sexism campaign during this election and if you are interested in facts then pm me and ill go through the issues raised in the blog with you blow by blow. Im sure that would be seriously boring for everyone else which is why I really dont want to go down the route of your numpties are worse than our numpties here.

    Finally, You called me a fascist, you implied that being a member or supporter of the SNP makes me, the other members and anyone voting for the SNP fascist sympathisers. I think you should apologise for that but i guess as you have said goodbye that wont be happening.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpVJK_LtETo&app=desktop

    Seems Mr Murphys heckler doesnt like him too much, hes got history for it . Im not advocating violence but he is a cretin you really would love to put yer hands on and slap him. Is this your typical educated man ??

    I find him embarrassing and his accent nauseating

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    Ok Rob - lets make this clear to you

    I dont think that you want us all dead - just like you are not the same as Ian Smart or Jill Stephenson - both Labour activists and commentators who you say you have never heard of and yet have linked to Ian Smarts blog in one of your posts. I can accept that you havent heard of these people. Why would you - they dont represent you or sensible voices in your party I am sure, despite the fact that Ian Smart is rolled out onto the television to speak up for labour is unfortunate. They are people who call people like me nazis and say folk should be shot. Again and Again and again.

    However, In the same way that I am not Sean Clerkin, you are not these people either. But yet you demanded that I condemn the activities of people like Sean Clerkin who are not members of the SNP but somehow my responsibility anyway (?) and I did. But if I am responsible for His behaviour in a way that requires me to condemn it then surely you, are required to condemn the appalling behaviour of the worst of the opposition. The fact that you dont know the worst of what goes on by labour activists and commentators and yet loudly trumpet the worst that goes on by people who are not SNP members or even supporters makes me wonder at your knowledge of such things. I know exactly who these trouble makers are which is why i was able to provide you with information about those involved yesterday, I know what is going on with the SNP campaign but I also know the good and the bad of the Labour campaign and the tory campaign too.


    Finally your Glasgow Blog. Interestingly George Laird is as much of a numpty as Sean Clerkin. George Laird appears to have no connection with Either Glasgow university or human rights organisations and is a bit of a fatasist. We can argue about how bad the campaigns have been on both sides if you would like to do that. Natalie McGarry was followed home, to her parents, her whereabouts was tweeted by labour councillors and activists throughout both the referendum campaign and the election campaign = even to the extent that they took pictures of where she was sleeping when she wasnt at home. Natalie McGarry particularly has been subjected to heckling by male labour councillors at hustings where they take seats in the front row and shout over Natalie speaking and only Natalie speaking. Much of what is written in that blog is lies and much is exaggeration. I have been very involved in a send off sexism campaign during this election and if you are interested in facts then pm me and ill go through the issues raised in the blog with you blow by blow. Im sure that would be seriously boring for everyone else which is why I really dont want to go down the route of your numpties are worse than our numpties here.

    Finally, You called me a fascist, you implied that being a member or supporter of the SNP makes me, the other members and anyone voting for the SNP fascist sympathisers. I think you should apologise for that but i guess as you have said goodbye that wont be happening.
    Ok I apologise for using a homogenous / generic statement, not all SNP members are f's however some behave rather badly, as dare I say it some in Labour do, lets face it theres no love between the 2 ..ever ! . Stakes are very high, the highest ever, so tempers do get raised, who do you believe, was the clip/s my son recieved ( quislings / we got yer photo we know who you are, from SNP activists etc ) "false / made up" I dont know but they sounded very real to me, the only way I would really know was if I was actually there, but the same can be said for you as well, how do you know half of whats going on , unless you are at an event, you must rely like me on media / social media communications, for information, they cant all be wrong surely or like everyone you filiter out "the noise" ? I am not a labour troll / blogger or whatever these people are called but a concerned citizen educated enough to see the real SNP agenda, election = independance vote re run and it sticks in my throat to be continually condesended, I do personally know SNP folk involved professionally in blogging, ie paid to monitor blogs and fire off retorts, false / or true, its a fact of modern politics / media. I also know SNP folk who are in dismay of being potentially hit with FFA. Serious sensible folk with a strong preferance for Devo Max not full tilt "home rule " on 2 unarguable grounds 1 Oil price 2 Abject failure of renewables. Theres the facts but Ive siad 1 / 2 before and what did I get back...."Im frothing at the mouth "...why because you couldnt answer / choose to turn a blind eye to the facts. WHy dont you just say yes, your right, oil prices have collapsed and left a big hole in predicted finances and renewables is at best still in its infancy but we all hope that sooner or later tidal / wave energy will be succesful
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob murray View Post

    Ok I apologise for using a homogenous / generic statement, not all SNP members are f's however some behave rather badly, as dare I say it some in Labour do, lets face it theres no love between the 2 ..ever ! .
    Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by rob murray View Post
    Stakes are very high, the highest ever, so tempers do get raised, who do you believe, was the clip/s my son recieved ( quislings / we got yer photo we know who you are, from SNP activists etc ) "false / made up" I dont know but they sounded very real to me, the only way I would really know was if I was actually there, but the same can be said for you as well, how do you know half of whats going on , unless you are at an event, you must rely like me on media / social media communications, for information, they cant all be wrong surely or like everyone you filiter out "the noise" ?
    I have no idea what clip your son received but I would never condone anyone using words like quislings or nazi or fascist. Ever. How do I know whats going on? I do the research. I have a network of people who know more about this stuff than me and no - that isnt within the SNP. I am not simply focused on what is being said about the SNP though Rob. I have been involved in ensuring others get "called out" George Galloway for his appalling behaviour towards the Labour candidate in Bradford, the people targeting Ruth Davidson with homophobic and sexist comments, this type of behaviour is not simply reserved for those belonging to some "nasty element" of the SNP, it occurs across the political spectrum to all of our shame. We need to ensure we dont allow ourselves to be whipped up into a frenzy by people who have dubious motives like Sean Clerkin or George Laird. The Glasgow uni blog you quoted for instance suggests that Gail Lythgoe carried out a campaign of hate and yet what actually happened was that she organised a protest against a labour MP in 2011. Now you might not agree with her but its hardly a hate crime to protest about something. yesterday a wee lassie campaigning for the SNP was punched in the face by some blokes, at weekend the son of a tory candiate was assaulted, there was a court case about members of the SSP who were terrorised in their own home by some bloke yesterday seen waving a union flag at Nicola Sturgeon. There is a lunatic fringe to all our parties but I would never suggest that people supporting these political parties are the same as the thugs that behaved this way and it seemed that was what you were doing. I am sure that your temper is running high Rob but its not fair and its not right to say some of the things you did.

    Quote Originally Posted by rob murray View Post
    I am not a labour troll / blogger or whatever these people are called but a concerned citizen educated enough to see the real SNP agenda, election = independance vote re run and it sticks in my throat to be continually condesended, I do personally know SNP folk involved professionally in blogging, ie paid to monitor blogs and fire off retorts, false / or true, its a fact of modern politics / media. I also know SNP folk who are in dismay of being potentially hit with FFA. Serious sensible folk with a strong preferance for Devo Max not full tilt "home rule " on 2 unarguable grounds 1 Oil price 2 Abject failure of renewables. Theres the facts but Ive siad 1 / 2 before and what did I get back...."Im frothing at the mouth "...why because you couldnt answer / choose to turn a blind eye to the facts. WHy dont you just say yes, your right, oil prices have collapsed and left a big hole in predicted finances and renewables is at best still in its infancy but we all hope that sooner or later tidal / wave energy will be succesful
    I didnt respond to the energy stuff you posted because I was posting about the event yesterday morning which is what i felt you were frothing at the mouth about. However, you are right Rob, the oil price HAS collapsed and i am relieved as anyone else must be to see that it is starting to creep back up. However at the risk of opening up a discussion which i am not prepared to have AGAIN the financial case for independence was not as finely balanced on oil as you suggest and therefore the hole not as big as you might think. That is in the past though and We need to move forward. FFA is a completely different kettle of fish and will be much more complex and delicate to negotiate and implement if it is ever even possible. Surely we need to focus now on implementing the Smith Commission recommendations as soon as we can.

    I am though glad for your apology - thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by squidge View Post
    Thank you.



    I have no idea what clip your son received but I would never condone anyone using words like quislings or nazi or fascist. Ever. How do I know whats going on? I do the research. I have a network of people who know more about this stuff than me and no - that isnt within the SNP. I am not simply focused on what is being said about the SNP though Rob. I have been involved in ensuring others get "called out" George Galloway for his appalling behaviour towards the Labour candidate in Bradford, the people targeting Ruth Davidson with homophobic and sexist comments, this type of behaviour is not simply reserved for those belonging to some "nasty element" of the SNP, it occurs across the political spectrum to all of our shame. We need to ensure we dont allow ourselves to be whipped up into a frenzy by people who have dubious motives like Sean Clerkin or George Laird. The Glasgow uni blog you quoted for instance suggests that Gail Lythgoe carried out a campaign of hate and yet what actually happened was that she organised a protest against a labour MP in 2011. Now you might not agree with her but its hardly a hate crime to protest about something. yesterday a wee lassie campaigning for the SNP was punched in the face by some blokes, at weekend the son of a tory candiate was assaulted, there was a court case about members of the SSP who were terrorised in their own home by some bloke yesterday seen waving a union flag at Nicola Sturgeon. There is a lunatic fringe to all our parties but I would never suggest that people supporting these political parties are the same as the thugs that behaved this way and it seemed that was what you were doing. I am sure that your temper is running high Rob but its not fair and its not right to say some of the things you did.



    I didnt respond to the energy stuff you posted because I was posting about the event yesterday morning which is what i felt you were frothing at the mouth about. However, you are right Rob, the oil price HAS collapsed and i am relieved as anyone else must be to see that it is starting to creep back up. However at the risk of opening up a discussion which i am not prepared to have AGAIN the financial case for independence was not as finely balanced on oil as you suggest and therefore the hole not as big as you might think. That is in the past though and We need to move forward. FFA is a completely different kettle of fish and will be much more complex and delicate to negotiate and implement if it is ever even possible. Surely we need to focus now on implementing the Smith Commission recommendations as soon as we can.

    I am though glad for your apology - thanks
    Apology...yes no probs, OIl : That is where we and many others disagree....oil is at the heart of the issue and it will according to all predictions take ages to get back to $100 plus a barrel, hence decimation of oil jobs in Aberdeen and across the Highlands. OIl price.....Surely the SNP's biggest economic blunder, go on admit it ! It is not in the past, we deal with the here and now...and we face a great big hole : we have a small manufacturing base and rely on tourism, service industries, retail, spirt exports, I cannot see these sectors ( 3 being demand derived : poor demand = low demand = job losses ) plugging the fiscal gap I note you body swerved tidal / wave issues ( and I am not frothing at the mouth so dont use that expression please ! ) which I find unbelievable given it to was to form part of the New Scotland, rich with wave tidal renewable energy sales / r and d etc : FFA simple, the majproity coalition could abolish Barnet and tell scots get on with it...run yer own gaff...that could well happen under a tory alliance.ie Call their bluff, if we get FFA, then forget all the guff about taking longer to tackle austerity being peddled by Sturgeon et all, it isnt going to happen, what will inevitably happen is austerity * 10 and cuts.

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    Thank you for sharing your opinion with me Rob. It is clear that we disagree on some issues and as I have said before I dont know enough about renewables to challenge anything you say or have a discussion with you about it. I have other issues which are more important to me. I know that I need to be more informed about energy and i have earmarked some time after the election to do something about that and im sure that you will be more than happy to help me do that then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by squidge View Post
    Thank you.



    I have no idea what clip your son received but I would never condone anyone using words like quislings or nazi or fascist. Ever. How do I know whats going on? I do the research. I have a network of people who know more about this stuff than me and no - that isnt within the SNP. I am not simply focused on what is being said about the SNP though Rob. I have been involved in ensuring others get "called out" George Galloway for his appalling behaviour towards the Labour candidate in Bradford, the people targeting Ruth Davidson with homophobic and sexist comments, this type of behaviour is not simply reserved for those belonging to some "nasty element" of the SNP, it occurs across the political spectrum to all of our shame. We need to ensure we dont allow ourselves to be whipped up into a frenzy by people who have dubious motives like Sean Clerkin or George Laird. The Glasgow uni blog you quoted for instance suggests that Gail Lythgoe carried out a campaign of hate and yet what actually happened was that she organised a protest against a labour MP in 2011. Now you might not agree with her but its hardly a hate crime to protest about something. yesterday a wee lassie campaigning for the SNP was punched in the face by some blokes, at weekend the son of a tory candiate was assaulted, there was a court case about members of the SSP who were terrorised in their own home by some bloke yesterday seen waving a union flag at Nicola Sturgeon. There is a lunatic fringe to all our parties but I would never suggest that people supporting these political parties are the same as the thugs that behaved this way and it seemed that was what you were doing. I am sure that your temper is running high Rob but its not fair and its not right to say some of the things you did.



    I didnt respond to the energy stuff you posted because I was posting about the event yesterday morning which is what i felt you were frothing at the mouth about. However, you are right Rob, the oil price HAS collapsed and i am relieved as anyone else must be to see that it is starting to creep back up. However at the risk of opening up a discussion which i am not prepared to have AGAIN the financial case for independence was not as finely balanced on oil as you suggest and therefore the hole not as big as you might think. That is in the past though and We need to move forward. FFA is a completely different kettle of fish and will be much more complex and delicate to negotiate and implement if it is ever even possible. Surely we need to focus now on implementing the Smith Commission recommendations as soon as we can.

    I am though glad for your apology - thanks
    There is a lunatic fringe to all our parties but I would never suggest that people supporting these political parties are the same as the thugs that behaved this way and it seemed that was what you were doing....

    .theres no respite is there, so Im a thug am I, all 5 foot 6 and a quarter of me, I dont hide behind a blog name either, and am no thug, your proving that you filter out the "unwanted" stories eh. if you want to know about me look me up on google ( under servgroup alness amongst others ) and linkedin, ( of courses it will all be propoganda and lies eh ! ) how am I to know who your networked into, Ive only got your word that your networked into cross party serious people, for all I know they could be nutters, afterall "Im a thug" am I not ? Oh have you seen the front page of The Herald today...more "lies".... Id bet would be your take on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squidge View Post
    Thank you for sharing your opinion with me Rob. It is clear that we disagree on some issues and as I have said before I dont know enough about renewables to challenge anything you say or have a discussion with you about it. I have other issues which are more important to me. I know that I need to be more informed about energy and i have earmarked some time after the election to do something about that and im sure that you will be more than happy to help me do that then.


    Just google and check companies who are active in EMEC http://www.emec.org.uk/ the test centre for tidal / wave energy of the Orkneys, where all r / d developments are carried out and track developments through the press, theres only one project at the test stage prior to scaling up and thats Meygen. Dont believe a word printed in any so called energy supplements, mostly misleading garbage talking up developments to try and secure continue funded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob murray View Post
    Apology...yes no probs, OIl : That is where we and many others disagree....oil is at the heart of the issue and it will according to all predictions take ages to get back to $100 plus a barrel, hence decimation of oil jobs in Aberdeen and across the Highlands. OIl price.....Surely the SNP's biggest economic blunder, go on admit it ! It is not in the past, we deal with the here and now...and we face a great big hole : we have a small manufacturing base and rely on tourism, service industries, retail, spirt exports, I cannot see these sectors ( 3 being demand derived : poor demand = low demand = job losses ) plugging the fiscal gap I note you body swerved tidal / wave issues ( and I am not frothing at the mouth so dont use that expression please ! ) which I find unbelievable given it to was to form part of the New Scotland, rich with wave tidal renewable energy sales / r and d etc : FFA simple, the majproity coalition could abolish Barnet and tell scots get on with it...run yer own gaff...that could well happen under a tory alliance.ie Call their bluff, if we get FFA, then forget all the guff about taking longer to tackle austerity being peddled by Sturgeon et all, it isnt going to happen, what will inevitably happen is austerity * 10 and cuts.
    How can the oil price be SNP's economic blunder? Even taking into account the fall of oil prices, about 50%, an independent Scotland would still get a better deal when the tax benefits are spread over 5 million rather than 60 million. That is just good maths not poor economics. Apart from that, oil prices have recovered by 25% since March and are now up to ~$67
    God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
    Courage to change the things I can,
    And wisdom to know the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rheghead View Post
    How can the oil price be SNP's economic blunder? Even taking into account the fall of oil prices, about 50%, an independent Scotland would still get a better deal when the tax benefits are spread over 5 million rather than 60 million. That is just good maths not poor economics. Apart from that, oil prices have recovered by 25% since March and are now up to ~$67
    AH come on...the SNP trumpeted / budgeted at $110 a barrel...its not their fault that the price collapsed, but it did, and they DID say $110....... I wont be drawn on the rest of your post.

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