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    Quote Originally Posted by LMS View Post
    Enlighten us more please on this point - the energy sector is doom and gloom as far as anyone I know is concerned.
    I don't really know any more than that LMS. I was quite surprised to be honest but they seemed genuine enough - and no, they weren't politicians. They were perhaps wrong as Rob suggests and I am no expert on the Energy sector so I'm happy to put right if you like.

    Rob I'm not sure why being invited to dinner at someone's home by default, cos they had asked the friends I was staying with makes me one of the "chattering classes". I'm not even sure what that is, although it must be a bit insulting honey, cos you never say anything nice.

    Don't you ever get invited out to someone's home for dinner Rob. That's a bit of a shame. We are having a "Political Party" on Thursday night next week here in Inverness. I'll be cooking "dinner" (gasp horror) and it will be full of the "chattering classes", couple of motorbike instructors, couple of students, me - part -time training officer, a guy who runs a catering business, a guy who works in a cafe, and a guy who isn't working just now. Think I'm doing pulled pork and there will be a few beers. You should come, you would be very welcome and might find you like it. Just a hint, you should bring flowers for the hostess
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    I do believe the term " chattering classes " is quite easily referenced on the Internet.

    But for those unable or unwilling to use Wikipedia.

    Here's an extract to give you a pretty good idea.

    The chattering classes is a generally derogatory[1] term first coined by Auberon Waugh[2] often used by pundits and political commentators to refer to a politically active, socially concerned and 'highly' educated section of the "metropolitan middle class",[1] especially those with political, media, and academic connections.

    It is sometimes used to refer to a liberal elite, but its first use by British right wing polemicist Frank Johnson in 1980 appeared to include a wider range of pundits.[1] Indeed, the term is used by people all across the political spectrum to refer to the journalists and political operatives who see themselves as the arbiters of conventional wisdom.[3] As such, the notion of 'chattering classes' can be seen as an antonym to the older idea of an unrepresented silent majority (made famous by the U.S. Republican President Richard Nixon).
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    Quote Originally Posted by squidge View Post
    I don't really know any more than that LMS. I was quite surprised to be honest but they seemed genuine enough - and no, they weren't politicians. They were perhaps wrong as Rob suggests and I am no expert on the Energy sector so I'm happy to put right if you like.

    Rob I'm not sure why being invited to dinner at someone's home by default, cos they had asked the friends I was staying with makes me one of the "chattering classes". I'm not even sure what that is, although it must be a bit insulting honey, cos you never say anything nice.

    Don't you ever get invited out to someone's home for dinner Rob. That's a bit of a shame. We are having a "Political Party" on Thursday night next week here in Inverness. I'll be cooking "dinner" (gasp horror) and it will be full of the "chattering classes", couple of motorbike instructors, couple of students, me - part -time training officer, a guy who runs a catering business, a guy who works in a cafe, and a guy who isn't working just now. Think I'm doing pulled pork and there will be a few beers. You should come, you would be very welcome and might find you like it. Just a hint, you should bring flowers for the hostess
    Nope I dont......Oh surprise suprise so Im insulting eh, well you are insulting club member number 2 dear. ! See below for a more informed breakdown of the definition of chattering classes, ( I meant it as a joke you know ...a northern Clivesden set ......) dinner... thanks but no thanks, Ive high blood pressure, have to watch where I go / what I am exposed to. To be frank, mores the pity I wasnt there as I couldve challeneged the "optimism" you refer to ( you wrote about dinner party / tidal / optimism, I could say Seaforth Club, football, Wick Academy and Euro Championships, for all the sense these remarks on tidal power optimsims makes / meant : here a few links so you can see yourself and do your own digging as well, but in short, a combination of untried techology, unworkable technology, severe weather challenges, lack of investment and yes collective government policy / approaches all combine to tip wave / tidal backwards...

    remember the spin...Wave / tidal jobs would seemlessly scoop up redundant dounreay workers.....plastered enough in local newpaper supplements ( paid for by us ) given the anti nuclear power station stance of the SNP I suppose at the time Salmon had to raise some hope for the abandonded up north, cos what on earth is going to replace Dounreay...but another Dounreay and thats not going to happen.

    http://renews.biz/79732/wave-and-tid...ng-into-abyss/

    http://www.greentechmedia.com/articl...gy-Looks-Bleak

    http://www.thejournal.co.uk/business...itical-8392593

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetterTogether View Post
    I do believe the term " chattering classes " is quite easily referenced on the Internet.

    But for those unable or unwilling to use Wikipedia.

    Here's an extract to give you a pretty good idea.

    The chattering classes is a generally derogatory[1] term first coined by Auberon Waugh[2] often used by pundits and political commentators to refer to a politically active, socially concerned and 'highly' educated section of the "metropolitan middle class",[1] especially those with political, media, and academic connections.

    It is sometimes used to refer to a liberal elite, but its first use by British right wing polemicist Frank Johnson in 1980 appeared to include a wider range of pundits.[1] Indeed, the term is used by people all across the political spectrum to refer to the journalists and political operatives who see themselves as the arbiters of conventional wisdom.[3] As such, the notion of 'chattering classes' can be seen as an antonym to the older idea of an unrepresented silent majority (made famous by the U.S. Republican President Richard Nixon).
    Thanks, I meant it as a joke you no...a anorthern Clivesden set !!

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    Nae sayers, or John Thurso supporters or chattering classes or whatever. I think we all have to accept that the political landscape in Scotland has changed for our lifetime

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murdo View Post
    Nae sayers, or John Thurso supporters or chattering classes or whatever. I think we all have to accept that the political landscape in Scotland has changed for our lifetime
    Off that there is no doubt ! For better or worse change will come, so I hope its not a hard rain a falling !

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob murray View Post
    Thanks, I meant it as a joke you no...a anorthern Clivesden set !!
    I got that it was a joke Rob.. The dinner offer still stands tho... Perhaps you could bring better together for support and a calming effect on the evening lol

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    John Thurso voted along with his Tory friends for austerity measures to be implemented, those measures attacked the most vulnerable in our society. Every person who has died as a direct result of those measures, their blood is on the coalitions hands.

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    Time to offload those Brylcream and moustache wax shares then?

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    As predicted, we have a new MP and the SNP are home and hosed all over Scotland, not just here.

    The exit polls were Pooh-poohed by all sides as they were announced. Hats and kilts were promised to be eaten if:-

    "We do that badly", "They do that well", "We don't get more seats than that"

    I hope they tasted good.

    It's always the same, people refusing to face reality, and the exit polls were simply echoing bookmakers odds, particularly where Scotland was concerned and they actually quoted odds for the SNP to win all 59 seats. OK the odds on that were 5/1, which is still an indication that something is unlikely, but it showed that they were in line to sweep Scotland.

    We had a studio full of politicians and political pundits who were in a state of shock and denial but it was nothing more than what was expected by the bookies and those who actually specialise in what will actually happen, rather than all the waffle and hot air.

    Here's an idea for the next election. Get a bookmaker on the panel to help tell the politicians what's actually going on and take a side bet if some people don't agree.

    As to the SNP doing well, some Labour people were blaming the SNP for putting David Cameron back into Number 10. What a load of rubbish, Labour were never going to get enough seats for a majority and a coalition with the SNP was always the only realistic way to shift the Conservatives. The SNP held up their end of the deal but the Labour Party elsewhere couldn't win enough seats to get the job done between the two parties and instead Labour ran the line of pretending the could get enough seats all by themselves, when there wasn't any chance whatsoever of that happening.

    I think only a handful of politicians interviewed during the night were actually realistic about what was going to happen, so good on them for not trotting out the normal "Fantasy Island" party line. The Labour Party were told a long time ago that they would never get into power with Ed Milliband as their leader but there's always this childlike faith that it's the politics that will win the day. Oh yes, that will be right, and my Granny once scored the winning touchdown for the Washington Redskins in the Superbowl. Less talk and more listening is recommended.

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    Just popped in to have a quick look before I'm off again, but my Congratulations to Nicol Sturgeon for destroying Labour up here and letting my Party The Tories back into power, thank you, could not have done it without her - thank you Nicola and the SNP.. Sorry about John Thurso, but suppose he can rest knowing that although SNP got 15,831 votes up her - the rest got 18,355..
    I'm away again.. bye...............
    "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped."

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    I'd have to agree with Bekisman we can thank the SNP for delivering the conservatives a win. Now roll on the EU referendum and next years elections. As we all know the SNP now have 53 seats at Westminster let's see how they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetterTogether View Post
    I'd have to agree with Bekisman we can thank the SNP for delivering the conservatives a win. Now roll on the EU referendum and next years elections. As we all know the SNP now have 53 seats at Westminster let's see how they do.
    They have 56 seats ! Labour destroyed themselves / they didnt do anywhere near as well as they thought in England...Scotland was lost months ago, dont blame the SNP voters, the reality they face is that the SNP will hold no leverage in Westminster, Cameron doesnt need them / they, hte SNP have shouted long and hard about never working with the tories..well there can only be one action then...referendum 2 in 2016.

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    Scottish National Party (SNP) leader Nicola Sturgeon said a British government without Scottish representation would be illegitimate, as she ramped up strategic demands for a post-election coalition with Labour.
    Speaking at a rally in the market town of Dumfries, southwest Scotland, the SNP chief warned it would be unjust for the next government to be made up exclusively of English MPs.
    Addressing crowds gathered at a campaign meeting on Monday, Sturgeon said the “test of legitimacy” that applies to the next government cannot simply be discerned by scale and historical traction.
    “The test that must be applied is whether a government can build a majority and win support that reflects the whole of the UK,” she said.

    Well she can strike that one off.....the next government will be 100% English MP's....Tories won thats democracy, so she either accepts this or has to go the whole hog...referendum again.

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    you just can't be happy can you? yes the Tories won but still you are slagging off the SNP? give it a rest why don't you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy View Post
    you just can't be happy can you? yes the Tories won but still you are slagging off the SNP? give it a rest why don't you.
    Fine...Im not slagging off thw SNP, they won / wipe out etc cant change that.... Im merely pointing out that the Labour power sharing option is off isnt it, so what replaces it ? Given statements on not working with Tories ( and they dont need SNP support ) it raises a key question where next, thats all I did, raise the where next question which is going to dominate the political landscape and thats inevitable. Things will have to change. And yes Im giving it a rest t ta

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    The SNP did not deliver a conservative win. Even if every single seat in Scotland had been labour the Tories would have formed the next government. Labour managed to lose the election all by itself.

    What next is to become an effective third voice in parliament. With 56 MPs the SNP will ask more questions at PMQs, with 56 MPs the SNP will represent Scotland on Select Committees where Labour usually did that. With 56 MPs they will not so easily be dismissed or shouted down. They may even encourage Labour to make their voice of opposition louder and firmer too.

    I'm bitterly disappointed to see a Tory government but that is what the rest of the UK voted for. It is another example of how votes in Scotland make no difference to General Election Results.

    You know what though - a large number of MPs who are not full of the sense of entitlement that we have become used to seeing in Westminster is a good thing. I think we might see a few changes.

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    Labour lost this election because they failed to connect with the people in England, they lied to the people Of Scotland during the referendum and the people punished them for it. Cameron was tactically clever he failed to deliver all the near federalism promised by the vow, Labour and the Lib Dems were punished for their deceit.

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    I'm not very political but I notice that half of Scotland did not vote for the SNP but they still have 56 seats while the other half get no representation, not really fair or democratic, is it time to change the system to proportional representation instead of first past the post?

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    The tories will fight tooth and nail to keep first past the post. As you have just seen it only benefits them as it is a nightmare for labour to counteract the scottish seat loss through picking them up in England. You wont be seeing a change to voting at any point in the near future, at least not as long as there is a tory government in power.

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