"A frightening prospect"

**PantsMAN** · 20-Apr-15, 10:52

David Cameron, a scant few months after begging for a 'NO' vote in the referndum and getting his wis,h now finds the prospect of Scottish MPs, with a large enough voice to be heard, "a frightening prospect."

According to the Guardian Cameron " came close to suggesting the SNP had no right to influence Westminster politics".
( http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-david-cameron )

There we have it, all the lies laid bare.

He wants Labour to completely refute any future deal with the SNP, yet he won't rule out a deal with the Kippers.

Meanwhile he continues to feather his wealthy pals' beds by selling of the stock of affordable houses and selling of the shares in Lloyds bank.

He defends the growth in the use of food banks, saying it was down to the government advertising them more prominently at jobcentres.

The man and his party are an affront to the people of the UK.

**Redsnapper** · 20-Apr-15, 12:13

Panic that his cosy little world might be upset by these' ignorant' Scottish people. I'm just waiting for them to roll out Gordon Brown who suddenly changed from being the worst prime minister that Britain ever had to the saviour of the union.

**golach** · 20-Apr-15, 13:20

Originally Posted by PantsMAN

The man and his party are an affront to the people of the UK.

Why are you worrying about Mr Cameron being an affront to the UK, you wanted out of the UK in September 2014

**roshep** · 20-Apr-15, 13:31

Well said Golach !!!!, have you noticed the " wealthy " have been spoken of again.

**BetterTogether** · 20-Apr-15, 14:04

Well lets look the first issue UKIP is a national party that covers the whole country where as the SNP covers only Scotland, regardless of how you view either parties politics.
There is also the reality that the SNPs primary role is for Scotland to separate from the rest of the UK, today we have Nicola Sturgeon and unelected politician wanting to do deals with the North of England an area she has no legitimate claim to influence.If the SNP does get the number of seats it is expecting it will not be the party leader at Westminster as she has never successfully been elected as an MP for any area,so we have the prospect of Alex Salmond calling the shots at Westminster.
What has to be taken into consideration is the amount of influence the SNP bring to bear on policies which effect the country as a whole, which may be totally unpalatable to the electorate of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
As for shots at the wealthy it should be remembered that Nicola Sturgeon is now a member of that wealthy group now.
The politics of grievance are unhealthy and do nothing to improve lives.
I personally have no problem with people having the ability to own their own property. Also the bank shares should be sold unless you'd prefer to have nationalised banks as the norm why shouldn't the public have an opportunity to own shares the minimum amount being £500 is well within the grasp of a large swathe of the Public. If you want wealth redistribution then surely members of the general public owning their own houses and some shares is a good thing.

We keep hearing about progressive socialism from people but it seems to me to be very much 1970s socialism nothing new or progressive in it.

**PantsMAN** · 20-Apr-15, 13:54

Originally Posted by golach

Why are you worrying about Mr Cameron being an affront to the UK, you wanted out of the UK in September 2014

Absolutely, him and the rest of the Establishment begged us to stay, and on that Spetember day a number of Scots voters decided to believe them.

He got what he wished for and now disnae like it. I am still all for independence; it's him that's changed his tune.

At last Scottish voters exercise an influence on Westminster. So what's the problem. You either want Scots, their opinions and their representatives in the union or not. You can't have it both ways.

And if at some point we decide to leave that's our decision and I'm sure we will do it in a sensible way. Grown up democracy. Let's keep it civilised. And celebrate the passing of Eton Dave and his chums.

**squidge** · 20-Apr-15, 14:19

It seems that people thought that a no vote would mean he whole of Scotland would shut up and disappear. what has actually happened is that those parties who supported independence have accepted that is it not an option and that we need and must function as part of the wider UK in order to improve things for people in Scotland and as a result in the UK as a whole.

THIS is what moving on means. It means accepting the situation and working within it to affect the changes that people vote for as set out in the manifestos. Independence has to take a back seat for this election and maybe for future ones too because the will of the people was that we keep our place within the UK.

The political leaders that benefit most from the first past the post system are squealing because they see the system changing not simply with the influence and popularity of SNP but also of UKIP, Greens and Plaid Cymru. Their complaining and whining about Scotland's elected representatives having the temerity to expect to challenge their policies and cosy club is nothing at all to do with the SNP's stated aim of independence for Scotland, or about their fears for democracy - it is about a fear of losing their influence and sense of entitlement that they have developed over the last twenty years and more- entitlement to a seat in parliament, to be paid hundreds of pounds for their lucrative sidelines because after all who can live off an MPs salary, to a seat in the house of lords once they are voted out or retire, to have us doff our cap and bend our knee.

The SNP, plaid Cymru and the greens it appears will not doff their cap or bend their knees or humbly wait to speak when they are spoken to and THAT is what is provoking the ridiculous nonsense we are seeing in the press and the threats to take up arms against Scotland that I have seen on Twitter this week!

**rob murray** · 20-Apr-15, 14:31

Originally Posted by squidge

It seems that people thought that a no vote would mean he whole of Scotland would shut up and disappear. what has actually happened is that those parties who supported independence have accepted that is it not an option and that we need and must function as part of the wider UK in order to improve things for people in Scotland and as a result in the UK as a whole.

THIS is what moving on means. It means accepting the situation and working within it to affect the changes that people vote for as set out in the manifestos. Independence has to take a back seat for this election and maybe for future ones too because the will of the people was that we keep our place within the UK.

The political leaders that benefit most from the first past the post system are squealing because they see the system changing not simply with the influence and popularity of SNP but also of UKIP, Greens and Plaid Cymru. Their complaining and whining about Scotland's elected representatives having the temerity to expect to challenge their policies and cosy club is nothing at all to do with the SNP's stated aim of independence for Scotland, or about their fears for democracy - it is about a fear of losing their influence and sense of entitlement that they have developed over the last twenty years and more- entitlement to a seat in parliament, to be paid hundreds of pounds for their lucrative sidelines because after all who can live off an MPs salary, to a seat in the house of lords once they are voted out or retire, to have us doff our cap and bend our knee.

The SNP, plaid Cymru and the greens it appears will not doff their cap or bend their knees or humbly wait to speak when they are spoken to and THAT is what is provoking the ridiculous nonsense we are seeing in the press and the threats to take up arms against Scotland that I have seen on Twitter this week!

Have you made a typo here ? ie "paid hundreds of pounds..." should that not read thousands of pounds ?