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    David Cameron, a scant few months after begging for a 'NO' vote in the referndum and getting his wis,h now finds the prospect of Scottish MPs, with a large enough voice to be heard, "a frightening prospect."

    According to the Guardian Cameron " came close to suggesting the SNP had no right to influence Westminster politics".
    ( http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-david-cameron )

    There we have it, all the lies laid bare.

    He wants Labour to completely refute any future deal with the SNP, yet he won't rule out a deal with the Kippers.

    Meanwhile he continues to feather his wealthy pals' beds by selling of the stock of affordable houses and selling of the shares in Lloyds bank.

    He defends the growth in the use of food banks, saying it was down to the government advertising them more prominently at jobcentres.

    The man and his party are an affront to the people of the UK.

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    Panic that his cosy little world might be upset by these' ignorant' Scottish people. I'm just waiting for them to roll out Gordon Brown who suddenly changed from being the worst prime minister that Britain ever had to the saviour of the union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PantsMAN View Post
    The man and his party are an affront to the people of the UK.
    Why are you worrying about Mr Cameron being an affront to the UK, you wanted out of the UK in September 2014
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    Well said Golach !!!!, have you noticed the " wealthy " have been spoken of again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golach View Post
    Why are you worrying about Mr Cameron being an affront to the UK, you wanted out of the UK in September 2014
    Absolutely, him and the rest of the Establishment begged us to stay, and on that Spetember day a number of Scots voters decided to believe them.

    He got what he wished for and now disnae like it. I am still all for independence; it's him that's changed his tune.

    At last Scottish voters exercise an influence on Westminster. So what's the problem. You either want Scots, their opinions and their representatives in the union or not. You can't have it both ways.

    And if at some point we decide to leave that's our decision and I'm sure we will do it in a sensible way. Grown up democracy. Let's keep it civilised. And celebrate the passing of Eton Dave and his chums.
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    Well lets look the first issue UKIP is a national party that covers the whole country where as the SNP covers only Scotland, regardless of how you view either parties politics.
    There is also the reality that the SNPs primary role is for Scotland to separate from the rest of the UK, today we have Nicola Sturgeon and unelected politician wanting to do deals with the North of England an area she has no legitimate claim to influence.If the SNP does get the number of seats it is expecting it will not be the party leader at Westminster as she has never successfully been elected as an MP for any area,so we have the prospect of Alex Salmond calling the shots at Westminster.
    What has to be taken into consideration is the amount of influence the SNP bring to bear on policies which effect the country as a whole, which may be totally unpalatable to the electorate of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
    As for shots at the wealthy it should be remembered that Nicola Sturgeon is now a member of that wealthy group now.
    The politics of grievance are unhealthy and do nothing to improve lives.
    I personally have no problem with people having the ability to own their own property. Also the bank shares should be sold unless you'd prefer to have nationalised banks as the norm why shouldn't the public have an opportunity to own shares the minimum amount being 500 is well within the grasp of a large swathe of the Public. If you want wealth redistribution then surely members of the general public owning their own houses and some shares is a good thing.

    We keep hearing about progressive socialism from people but it seems to me to be very much 1970s socialism nothing new or progressive in it.
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    It seems that people thought that a no vote would mean he whole of Scotland would shut up and disappear. what has actually happened is that those parties who supported independence have accepted that is it not an option and that we need and must function as part of the wider UK in order to improve things for people in Scotland and as a result in the UK as a whole.

    THIS is what moving on means. It means accepting the situation and working within it to affect the changes that people vote for as set out in the manifestos. Independence has to take a back seat for this election and maybe for future ones too because the will of the people was that we keep our place within the UK.

    The political leaders that benefit most from the first past the post system are squealing because they see the system changing not simply with the influence and popularity of SNP but also of UKIP, Greens and Plaid Cymru. Their complaining and whining about Scotland's elected representatives having the temerity to expect to challenge their policies and cosy club is nothing at all to do with the SNP's stated aim of independence for Scotland, or about their fears for democracy - it is about a fear of losing their influence and sense of entitlement that they have developed over the last twenty years and more- entitlement to a seat in parliament, to be paid hundreds of pounds for their lucrative sidelines because after all who can live off an MPs salary, to a seat in the house of lords once they are voted out or retire, to have us doff our cap and bend our knee.

    The SNP, plaid Cymru and the greens it appears will not doff their cap or bend their knees or humbly wait to speak when they are spoken to and THAT is what is provoking the ridiculous nonsense we are seeing in the press and the threats to take up arms against Scotland that I have seen on Twitter this week!

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    Quote Originally Posted by squidge View Post
    It seems that people thought that a no vote would mean he whole of Scotland would shut up and disappear. what has actually happened is that those parties who supported independence have accepted that is it not an option and that we need and must function as part of the wider UK in order to improve things for people in Scotland and as a result in the UK as a whole.

    THIS is what moving on means. It means accepting the situation and working within it to affect the changes that people vote for as set out in the manifestos. Independence has to take a back seat for this election and maybe for future ones too because the will of the people was that we keep our place within the UK.

    The political leaders that benefit most from the first past the post system are squealing because they see the system changing not simply with the influence and popularity of SNP but also of UKIP, Greens and Plaid Cymru. Their complaining and whining about Scotland's elected representatives having the temerity to expect to challenge their policies and cosy club is nothing at all to do with the SNP's stated aim of independence for Scotland, or about their fears for democracy - it is about a fear of losing their influence and sense of entitlement that they have developed over the last twenty years and more- entitlement to a seat in parliament, to be paid hundreds of pounds for their lucrative sidelines because after all who can live off an MPs salary, to a seat in the house of lords once they are voted out or retire, to have us doff our cap and bend our knee.

    The SNP, plaid Cymru and the greens it appears will not doff their cap or bend their knees or humbly wait to speak when they are spoken to and THAT is what is provoking the ridiculous nonsense we are seeing in the press and the threats to take up arms against Scotland that I have seen on Twitter this week!
    Have you made a typo here ? ie "paid hundreds of pounds..." should that not read thousands of pounds ?

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    You are right Rob ..... Thousands!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by squidge View Post
    You are right Rob ..... Thousands!!!!
    How about hundreds of thousands?

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    Quote Originally Posted by squidge View Post
    You are right Rob ..... Thousands!!!!
    Remind me , who is the highest paid politician in the UK at the moment? Oh aye it's Nicola 😱
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    Max Hastings in the Daily Mail says it will be a nightmare scenario that England will be ruled by Scotland in a hung parliament. Why does he think it is OK to expect the Scots to accept Scotland to be ruled by England without a moan?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Election.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by golach View Post
    Remind me , who is the highest paid politician in the UK at the moment? Oh aye it's Nicola 
    Correction - ref http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-31923794

    " Under the new Scottish Parliament Salaries scheme the First Minister is entitled to receive 85,598 in addition to their MSP salary.
    In effect, this would mean that Nicola Sturgeon could earn 144,687, just over 2,000 more than the Prime Minister, who currently earns 142,500.
    But a spokesman for the Scottish government said Ms Sturgeon would keep to a voluntary Scottish ministerial pay freeze, agreed in 2009, giving the remainder to a fund to boost public spending.
    This means her salary will remain at 135,605. All Scottish Cabinet Secretaries and Ministers also agreed to a pay freeze at 2008/09 levels. "

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PantsMAN View Post
    Correction - ref http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-31923794" Under the new Scottish Parliament Salaries scheme the First Minister is entitled to receive 85,598 in addition to their MSP salary. In effect, this would mean that Nicola Sturgeon could earn 144,687, just over 2,000 more than the Prime Minister, who currently earns 142,500.But a spokesman for the Scottish government said Ms Sturgeon would keep to a voluntary Scottish ministerial pay freeze, agreed in 2009, giving the remainder to a fund to boost public spending.This means her salary will remain at 135,605. All Scottish Cabinet Secretaries and Ministers also agreed to a pay freeze at 2008/09 levels. "Thank you.
    That's an awful lot of money to pay someone in Politics who has never been democratically elected to any position by the people they claim to represent.
    So much for free and fair society ... Freeloader at the taxpayers expense put in position her own party but not the electorate.
    It's about time Nicola Sturgeon actually stood for a seat and showed her mettle letting the people decide, or isn't that what the SNP claim to be about.
    No matter how you feel about other MPs claiming expenses and being paid at least each one of them has been voted into position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetterTogether View Post
    That's an awful lot of money to pay someone in Politics who has never been democratically elected to any position by the people they claim to represent.
    So much for free and fair society ... Freeloader at the taxpayers expense put in position her own party but not the electorate.
    It's about time Nicola Sturgeon actually stood for a seat and showed her mettle letting the people decide, or isn't that what the SNP claim to be about.
    No matter how you feel about other MPs claiming expenses and being paid at least each one of them has been voted into position.
    Nicola Sturgeon is not democratically elected? Now I know you are living in an alternative reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetterTogether View Post
    SNIP
    So much for free and fair society ... Freeloader at the taxpayers expense put in position her own party but not the electorate.
    It's about time Nicola Sturgeon actually stood for a seat and showed her mettle letting the people decide, or isn't that what the SNP claim to be about.
    No matter how you feel about other MPs claiming expenses and being paid at least each one of them has been voted into position.
    The same can be said about every other UK govt. minister. I expect the same applies to the assemblies in Wales and N.I.

    Your point is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rheghead View Post
    Nicola Sturgeon is not democratically elected? Now I know you are living in an alternative reality.
    Care to name what seat she has sat for and won at any time in her career !

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    Quote Originally Posted by PantsMAN View Post
    The same can be said about every other UK govt. minister. I expect the same applies to the assemblies in Wales and N.I.Your point is?
    Nick Clegg ....North Hallam
    Ed Milliband ..Doncaster North
    David Cameron....Witney
    All voted for and elected by the people

    Seems they at least have been voted for some people some where it's called democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetterTogether View Post
    Care to name what seat she has sat for and won at any time in her career !
    Here was me thinking she was elected as MSP for Glasgow southside in 2011, polling over 54% of the votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetterTogether View Post
    SNIP
    Freeloader at the taxpayers expense put in position her own party but not the electorate.

    SNIP
    No matter how you feel about other MPs claiming expenses and being paid at least each one of them has been voted into position.
    Nick Clegg ....North Hallam
    Ed Milliband ..Doncaster North
    David Cameron....Witney
    All voted for and elected by the people
    None were voted into their 'position' but appointed by their party, not the general public.

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