UDI for Scotland?

[Rheghead]

There is a lot of speculation on social media that if the SNP (or the Scottish Green Party) get a majority (30 out of the 59 Scottish MPs) in next year's General Election then Scotland's Parliament could legally issue a Unilateral Declaration of Independence. It is also a bold move since it also opens up the issue of how broken the first past the post voting system is terribly corrupt.

Alex Salmond has also hinted that there is more than one way (re. Referendum) to gain independence. For a moment I struggled to think that one through other than taking up arms but now I do see how independence can be achieved politically and peacefully.

The Yes parties' membership have skyrocketed in recent days and a Panelbase poll seems to indicate that a majority for SNP MPs is a definite possibility. It seems we are still in interesting times...

[Alrock]

Just gotta say that I have never voted SNP before but there is now a very strong possibility that I'll be voting SNP at the next election, might even join the party myself, nearly did the other day but the website was so unresponsive.

[Humerous Vegetable]

I think they have been overwhelmed by new applications, and now have more members than the national LibDem party, so please try again. Membership of the Greens has also increased.
Rheg - UDI is not an option. We need to get a majority of pro-independence MPs into Westminster next year, and get rid of all these We Know What's Best for You, So Dinnae Greet When We Gie You a Smack LibDem/Labour and Tory MPs.

[bekisman]

There is a lot of speculation on social media that if the SNP (or the Scottish Green Party) get a majority (30 out of the 59 Scottish MPs) in next year's General Election then Scotland's Parliament could legally issue a Unilateral Declaration of Independence. It is also a bold move since it also opens up the issue of how broken the first past the post voting system is terribly corrupt.

Alex Salmond has also hinted that there is more than one way (re. Referendum) to gain independence. For a moment I struggled to think that one through other than taking up arms but now I do see how independence can be achieved politically and peacefully.

The Yes parties' membership have skyrocketed in recent days and a Panelbase poll seems to indicate that a majority for SNP MPs is a definite possibility. It seems we are still in interesting times...

You lost. Accept it.

[golach]

55% of us voted before and we will again. Live with it!!!

[BetterTogether]

Now let me see if I understand your correctly Rheg,despite having had a fair and just referendum which gave people two choices, either for Independence or for the Union. The results of which are now history but just too remind you, was 2,001,926 voted No and 1,617,989 voted Yes, which amounts to a clear and unequivocal vote to remain part of the United Kingdom.
You now feel along with your minority of social media compadres that its might be an idea to ignore the legitimate and democratic right of the electorate to have their word listened to and resort to political gerrymandering to get your way.
The fact that you even admit to having considered albeit briefly armed struggle shows how out of touch you are with the workings of legitimate democracy.

[gerry4]

Lets all grow up. There would be no way the Scottish Government would unilaterally declare independence. This is a huge spin on one remark Salmond made. By that time Salmond will be a backbencher.

The only way Scotland, if ever gains independence is by a referendum of the people of Scotland. End of. That is the only way any Scottish government would go. Ask any member of this government & they will say the same thing.

This is a non story. I have no intention of saying anything else on it as I have better things to do

[Kodiak]

Lets all grow up. There would be no way the Scottish Government would unilaterally declare independence. This is a huge spin on one remark Salmond made. By that time Salmond will be a backbencher.

The only way Scotland, if ever gains independence is by a referendum of the people of Scotland. End of. That is the only way any Scottish government would go. Ask any member of this government & they will say the same thing.

This is a non story. I have no intention of saying anything else on it as I have better things to do

Every cloud has a Silver Lining,

[Kenn]

Last country to declare UDI was Rhodesia under Iain Smith and look what happened there.

[bekisman]

TROLLING, that's exactly what Rheghead is doing.
It's fully known that many regular and popular orgers who bring life to this general forum, were either banned or suspended during the heated 'discussions' that took place up to the actual Independence Referendum. It would appear these orgers were inclined towards the 'NO' vote.
What better methodology than to throw a red-hot statement, one that will obviously cause a reaction into the ring and then (like he has) retire and watch the fireworks. Intending, maybe, to weed out a couple more of the NO incliners with there reactions.

The inclusion of the stupid statement; "other than taking up arms" looks certain to ferment division. Is it not enough to already have a divided Scotland, with family against family, brother against brother, community against community? How the hell can such a post heal wounds and bring unity, I have no idea.

'Trolling' is what it is, how will Admin deal with this?, although I am afraid after seeing perfectly innocuous posters being suspended for much more minor postings than this remains to be seen.

* not on here much but just checked and at 18.41 on 22 Sept I got 'a Report Post' from Squidge, can't remember the last time I had a red one of those!

[BetterTogether]

Im afraid I do have to agree with Bekisman about this thread it was obviously started with the deliberate intention to incite and inflame people. This would make it trolling of the highest order, it is noted that the mention of taking up arms was brief as Rheg is no doubt fully aware if he made anymore comment than that the admin of this site would be duty bound to report him to the anti terrorist unit. Although one has to wonder about the mental stability of someone who would even consider such route no matter how briefly in a stable democracy.
It would appear on the point raised by Bekisman regarding people having been removed, that certain promises where made to reinstate accounts which can still be read on the other site but have been removed on this site, but it would appear in this case a mans word is not his bond and it was no more than a quick gaseous emission of almost noxious proportion.
The referendum may be over but it is sadly quite easy to see that one side does not have the good grace to accept the democratic will of the majority but wish to find ways to undermine that. That also seems to include giving negative red posts to people, so now we see the real face of the yes campaign,
Free !
Fair !
doesnt appear to be.
More like censored, rebuked, banned, removed, silenced.

Im sure such luminaries of the left such as stalin and mao will be smiling down on the tactics used by these people but the rest of normal decent society abhor them.

[Rheghead]

TROLLING, that's exactly what Rheghead is doing.
It's fully known that many regular and popular orgers who bring life to this general forum, were either banned or suspended during the heated 'discussions' that took place up to the actual Independence Referendum. It would appear these orgers were inclined towards the 'NO' vote.
What better methodology than to throw a red-hot statement, one that will obviously cause a reaction into the ring and then (like he has) retire and watch the fireworks. Intending, maybe, to weed out a couple more of the NO incliners with there reactions.

The inclusion of the stupid statement; "other than taking up arms" looks certain to ferment division. Is it not enough to already have a divided Scotland, with family against family, brother against brother, community against community? How the hell can such a post heal wounds and bring unity, I have no idea.

'Trolling' is what it is, how will Admin deal with this?, although I am afraid after seeing perfectly innocuous posters being suspended for much more minor postings than this remains to be seen.

* not on here much but just checked and at 18.41 on 22 Sept I got 'a Report Post' from Squidge, can't remember the last time I had a red one of those!

Are you being obtuse? It won't be the first time. No way was I inciting violence. I was merely trying to interpret what Alex Salmond meant by 'more than one route to independence' until I finally realised that he meant that if Scotland delivered a majority of pro-independence MPs in 2015 then that would be a legal basis for independence should Holyrood decide to do so.

[Rheghead]

Im afraid I do have to agree with Bekisman about this thread it was obviously started with the deliberate intention to incite and inflame people. This would make it trolling of the highest order, it is noted that the mention of taking up arms was brief as Rheg is no doubt fully aware if he made anymore comment than that the admin of this site would be duty bound to report him to the anti terrorist unit. Although one has to wonder about the mental stability of someone who would even consider such route no matter how briefly in a stable democracy.
It would appear on the point raised by Bekisman regarding people having been removed, that certain promises where made to reinstate accounts which can still be read on the other site but have been removed on this site, but it would appear in this case a mans word is not his bond and it was no more than a quick gaseous emission of almost noxious proportion.
The referendum may be over but it is sadly quite easy to see that one side does not have the good grace to accept the democratic will of the majority but wish to find ways to undermine that. That also seems to include giving negative red posts to people, so now we see the real face of the yes campaign,
Free !
Fair !
doesnt appear to be.
More like censored, rebuked, banned, removed, silenced.

Im sure such luminaries of the left such as stalin and mao will be smiling down on the tactics used by these people but the rest of normal decent society abhor them.

Well it just goes to show how shallow you really are if you are prepared to hide behind your own maligned interpretation of my words. UDI would be a legitimate method of gaining independence if Scotland returns a majority of pro-independence MPs in 2015. It would have extra legitimacy if the numbers that vote also got the popular vote as well.

[sids]

Are you being obtuse? It won't be the first time. No way was I inciting violence. I was merely trying to interpret what Alex Salmond meant by 'more than one route to independence' until I finally realised that he meant that if Scotland delivered a majority of pro-independence MPs in 2015 then that would be a legal basis for independence should Holyrood decide to do so.

Mr Salmond was simply conveying to us that he is graceless in defeat.

[bekisman]

Oh come on Rheghead
Insulting me by stating "Are you being obtuse?" (i.e. stupid, slow-witted, dull-witted, unintelligent, ignorant, simpleminded, witless...)
And Bettertogether: "just goes to show how shallow you really are" (i.e. people who don't have much emotional or intellectual depth...)

I'm sure you can do better than throwing personal insults to both of us, OK I can understand that the frustration of having your arse kicked by the majority of Scottish voters, may well cause you "chagrin" (distress or embarrassment at having failed or been humiliated) but lowering yourself to bluff and bluster is not on old chap.
Additionally methinks you're on a looser "trying to interpret what Alex Salmond meant" (failed politician).

Anyway one must congratulate the Admin on this occasion of the obscuration of this ex-forum thread

[Rheghead]

Oh come on Rheghead
Insulting me by stating "Are you being obtuse?" (i.e. stupid, slow-witted, dull-witted, unintelligent, ignorant, simpleminded, witless...)
And Bettertogether: "just goes to show how shallow you really are" (i.e. people who don't have much emotional or intellectual depth...)

I'm sure you can do better than throwing personal insults to both of us, OK I can understand that the frustration of having your arse kicked by the majority of Scottish voters, may well cause you "chagrin" (distress or embarrassment at having failed or been humiliated) but lowering yourself to bluff and bluster is not on old chap.
Additionally methinks you're on a looser "trying to interpret what Alex Salmond meant" (failed politician).

Anyway one must congratulate the Admin on this occasion of the obscuration of this ex-forum thread

I asked a question.

Up till now you have accused me of being a troll, a loser and an inciter of armed rebellion. I think you need to have a deep hard look at who is insulting who here.

[BetterTogether]

Rheg dear boy you seem to struggle with a simple concept..democracy...what you are suggesting is that a party that wins one general election has sufficient mandate. Considering this country has just had a referendum in which only 37.5% of the electorate choose independence, the rest either didn't vote or voted to remain in the union.
I assume after two years of campaigning for a free and fair society youre not suggesting that the free and fair wish of the majority of the electorate be ignored by one party ?
As for your mention of armed insurgency, unless I'm totally incorrect you in your first post toyed with the idea.

Now I wouldnt for one moment be so crass as to suggest that anyone but a simpleton wouldn't realise that a lift in SNP party membership would only be from those who voted yes so would not give the snp any extra impetus in elections but may bring them extra problems as the influx of new members with new ideas muddy the water for them.

From what ive read in your posts though the snp do not veer hard enough to the left for you, maybe youd be more comfortable with the communist party

[billmoseley]

Surely now it doesn't matter who won or lost. What matters is that Westminster stand by the pledges they made. i call on all the yes and no voters to join together to ensure this. This continued bickering its tearing a great country apart.

[sids]

Surely now it doesn't matter who won or lost. What matters is that Westminster stand by the pledges they made. i call on all the yes and no voters to join together to ensure this.

I'd say what matters is the decision against independence. I'd have voted "no" in absence of any pledges.

[golach]

I'd say what matters is the decision against independence. I'd have voted "no" in absence of any pledges.

I go along with you sids , the pledges meant nothing to my decision to Vote No