Is it "do they," or "should they?"
And are we voting on the situation in Denmark, or elsewhere?
The animals' votes must be the ones that matter. Oh- and votes from religeous zealots.
Yes
No
Denmark has banned Kosher and Halal meat.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...0.html?l;ksdf;
So do animal rights come before rights to observe religion?
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
Is it "do they," or "should they?"
And are we voting on the situation in Denmark, or elsewhere?
The animals' votes must be the ones that matter. Oh- and votes from religeous zealots.
I find the Danish a tad hypocritical banning the slaughter of animals in a certain way, when they shoot live pigs for army doctors to practice on, and kill a perfectly good Giraffe, and kill whales in the manner all shown below
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26098935
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk...-train-3157055
http://www.campaign-whale.org/campai...hale-slaughter
Once the original Grumpy Owld Man but alas no more
Does that mean that nobody or nothing can change for the better for fear of being accused of hypocrisy? It seems damned if you do and damned if you don't.
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
What animal rights did the Giraffe have, or the whales in the Faroe's have, or the pigs being shot at
Last edited by golach; 18-Feb-14 at 19:43.
Once the original Grumpy Owld Man but alas no more
I'll give you the pigs and the giraffe, but the whales are the work of the Faroese not the Danish, Golash. Both consider themselves as distinct as the English and Scottish.
If Denmark is planing to ban or has banned halal and kosher then it is one ( and only one) step in the right direction. And better one step than none at all.
I hope that religious slaughter with no stunning is banned here too. It is unnecessary. Stunning does not impede religious rights from being performed and it does not stop the heart (unless it is stun to kill- usually only in chicken and large pig slaughterhouses) . The whole point of halal and kosher slaughter is very well bled carcases (ie: heart beating to push out all blood- death by exsanguination) because in hot climates with no refrigeration technology, meat would become very dangerous very quickly if improperly bled. But now we can stun animals without stopping the heart - so complete exsanguination is possible with stunning.
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Personally, I think religion is all utter cobblers and since the dawn of time has caused more grief, death, heartache, wars and hatred than anything else. So yes, animal rights before religious observation.
I'd ban religion in its organised environment and certainly reduce or limit the 'rights' that are claimed by some.
I think it is possible to observe religion without animals suffering.
The slaughter house we used to use simply had same slaughter house but a chap from the mosque used to come and pray whilst the halal lambs and sheep were done.
The Danes are in Denmark and can do as they please, it is none of our business or concern.A pointless poll
W.A.T.P.
Quite so Ducati
The vet is in attendance and the animal is done with the bolt the same as the rest, the only difference is that a prayer is said to keep to the halal practise.
I would say 'ridiculous' is the amount of people who spout rubbish about things they have no personal experience or knowledge but just quote drivel they have found on the internet!
[QUOTE=ducati;1070952]I think the point was the animal wasn't treated any differently.[/QUOTEI think you will find that true "halal" (an Arabic word meaning "permissible") IS slaughtered and prepared differently to animals slaughtered for non halal meat. .... The slaughtering of an animal for halal meat is called "Zaihah". During Zaihah certain rules must be followed; .... 1. Allah's name must be pronounced during the slaughter. ...... 2. The instrument used must be very sharp to ensure humane slaughter (?) the animal must be slit at the throat. . .......3. The animal must NOT BE UNCONSCIOUS. . .....4. The animal must be hung upside down to bleed dry. Eating blood is not halal. .. ....5. These steps must be accomplished by a Muslim or the people of the book (( Christian or Jew ). ... as can be seen by these rules an animal that has been stunned before bleeding is not halal!
Mrs Bradey, my point exactly
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