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[piratelassie]

When Scotjand votes for an Independent future next September the 3 big questions Europe, NATO, and the pound will obviously be settled through negoitation. Nobody seriously believes Scotland would not be successful in gaining all 3.

[joxville]

As much as I support the Yes camp, I have to be honest piratelassie and say these threads that you start are becoming tedious.

[cptdodger]

When Scotjand votes for an Independent future next September the 3 big questions Europe, NATO, and the pound will obviously be settled through negoitation. Nobody seriously believes Scotland would not be successful in gaining all 3.

IF piratelassie, if, not when. It is not a foregone conclusion by any stretch of the imagination.

[sids]

...Scotjand

Never heard of it

negoitation.

What's that- Jim Crow laws?

[tonkatojo]

Never heard of it



What's that- Jim Crow laws?

Steady sids lad it is well after 6pm and it is Saturday night afterall. Hic up.

[RagnarRocks]

When Scotjand votes for an Independent future next September the 3 big questions Europe, NATO, and the pound will obviously be settled through negoitation. Nobody seriously believes Scotland would not be successful in gaining all 3.

It's a big IF for starters Mr Van Rumpoy said some very interesting things regarding new countries which used to be parts of larger countries ie Scotland and Catalonia. NATOs position is reasonably clear unless the no ask no tell rules are played which would be gross hypocrisy and alas the Pounds position has been quoted as highly unlikely. That's an awfully lot of negotiation for a new country to undertake with no guarantees for success. Unless you of course accept everything Europe asks accept the Euro and all the other rules new members have to accept. Which then puts point three about the Pound as a moot point. You can't have both. Lets see NATO Scotland says no to nukes that'll upset the USA so bang goes NATO as well.

[mi16]

These threads are as transparent as leggings on a fat girl

[sids]

These threads are as transparent as leggings on a fat girl

Stoppit!

Phoarr!

[orkneycadian]

Lets see NATO Scotland says no to nukes that'll upset the USA so bang goes NATO as well.

I know is only wild speculation (which is always good on here! ) in the Daily Mail, but there is an interesting paragraph in this report....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533846/Battle-stations-Navy-scrambles-destroyer-challenge-Russian-warship-British-coast-takes-24-hours-make-600-mile-journey-Portsmouth-base-Putin-testing-response-time.html

....saying;

‘The Russians may also be inspecting nuclear installations in Scotland, with a view towards the independence referendum. Certainly the Russians would see the country as more vulnerable if it were no longer part of Britain.
‘The approach was part of a pattern of behaviour, and the action is more threatening when considered in this context.

[billmoseley]

The only home ruling that goes on in my house is what the wife says.

[Mrs Bradey]

The only home ruling that goes on in my house is what the wife says.

GO Mrs Moseley !!!

[Oddquine]

I know is only wild speculation (which is always good on here! ) in the Daily Mail, but there is an interesting paragraph in this report....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533846/Battle-stations-Navy-scrambles-destroyer-challenge-Russian-warship-British-coast-takes-24-hours-make-600-mile-journey-Portsmouth-base-Putin-testing-response-time.html

....saying;

‘The Russians may also be inspecting nuclear installations in Scotland, with a view towards the independence referendum. Certainly the Russians would see the country as more vulnerable if it were no longer part of Britain.
‘The approach was part of a pattern of behaviour, and the action is more threatening when considered in this context.

Lol! Does just go to show that what we are pumping into Westminster on defence would be better used to defend ourselves.and would cost us a third less! More secure and safer as part of the UK...yeah, right!

[Big Gaz]

Lol! Does just go to show that what we are pumping into Westminster on defence would be better used to defend ourselves.and would cost us a third less! More secure and safer as part of the UK...yeah, right!

Precisely!. If Putin had decided to declare war on Scotland, theres a shed load of damage that could be done by that particular missile boat before any retaliation could occur and i'm sure the scrambled planes would have had it rough too. Not to mention that the rest of the Russian fleet were on operations not too far away!

[RagnarRocks]

Of course there are never any subs lurking close by that the RN will admit to.

[cptdodger]

I know is only wild speculation (which is always good on here! ) in the Daily Mail, but there is an interesting paragraph in this report....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533846/Battle-stations-Navy-scrambles-destroyer-challenge-Russian-warship-British-coast-takes-24-hours-make-600-mile-journey-Portsmouth-base-Putin-testing-response-time.html

....saying;

‘The Russians may also be inspecting nuclear installations in Scotland, with a view towards the independence referendum. Certainly the Russians would see the country as more vulnerable if it were no longer part of Britain.
‘The approach was part of a pattern of behaviour, and the action is more threatening when considered in this context.

I was going to ask (but I could'nt translate it into Russian !!) Why are the Russians so interested in us, surely they would not consider Scotland to be a threat to them ?

[billmoseley]

Not invade but befriend. Haven,t you read Rogue Nation?

[RagnarRocks]

Yes they befriend a newly independent Scotland before it joins the EU or NATO and send in peacekeeping troops to monitor the actions of football fans on a Saturday afternoon just in case :0))

[cptdodger]

Not invade but befriend. Haven,t you read Rogue Nation?

I can't say I have Bill. I have just looked it up, but I'm not sure if this is the book you are meaning ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_Nation_%28book%29

[orkneycadian]

I was going to ask (but I could'nt translate it into Russian !!) Why are the Russians so interested in us, surely they would not consider Scotland to be a threat to them ?

Well, if the contents of the "Yes!" Newspaper Election Communication propaganda is anything to go by, we are awash with so much oil in the North Sea, that an independent Scotland can afford to pay everyone in Scotland a £600 bonus if they vote yes.

What puzzles me is why 30 years ago, you could hardly move in Scapa Flow for oil tankers with 3 or 4 or more in there at any one time. Now there are so few, that Orkney Towage are on the brink of winding up, as the 1 tanker or less a month brings in so little revenue for them. In fact, there seems to be more Russian Warships around than there are tankers. Would Pirate Lassie like to explain why?

[Gronnuck]

When Scotjand votes for an Independent future next September the 3 big questions Europe, NATO, and the pound will obviously be settled through negoitation. Nobody seriously believes Scotland would not be successful in gaining all 3.

Should we really be part of the EU? The diktats from Brussels will be as onerous as those we currently tolerate from Westminster. NATO is largely influenced and controlled by the USA and it is not going to be happy with the SNP's attitude to nuclear, there's every possibility they'll dismiss Scotland as a nonentity. The pound and our use of it in international transactions will be controlled by the Bank of England so this alone rather negates the bid for independence. The negotiations are not a forgone conclusion, Brussels, Westminster and Washington could just turn their back on us; they all have more important issues to deal with.