Food Prices if Scotland goes independent

[RagnarRocks]

Curious to know people's views on the articles in the media today about the potential increase in food prices should Scotland become Independent. It would also appear that Stan Blackeley who is part of the Yes Campaign has stated that he wants tescos asda sainsburys and morrisons out of Scotland with the cost of 75000 jobs. Is this what you expect or want from and independent Scotland ?

[Mrs Bradey]

Curious to know people's views on the articles in the media today about the potential increase in food prices should Scotland become Independent. It would also appear that Stan Blackeley who is part of the Yes Campaign has stated that he wants tescos asda sainsburys and morrisons out of Scotland with the cost of 75000 jobs. Is this what you expect or want from and independent Scotland ?

quite ridiculous how on earth can he expect anyone to vote YES with crazy ideas of this nature. And if the vote is YES then; haggis and needs it is then!

[Big Gaz]

So if this loony wants tesco, asda, sainsburys and morrisons out of Scotland then just who will fill the void?

[golach]

So if this loony wants tesco, asda, sainsburys and morrisons out of Scotland then just who will fill the void?

Exactly, Eck & Nicola's cornershop?

[Alrock]

Yet another scaremongering, mountain out of a molehill type thread...

[gerry4]

a) this guy was writing in a private capacity and not as the Yes Campaign. Not many people have supported him.

b) I have seen responses from Tesco's Morrisons, Asda & Lidl's saying they have no plans to increase prices if a yes vote. It depends on the taxes that a scottish government would have. Therefore they also say prices are as likely to come down as increase. This of course has not been report by the media.

A total non-story as most of these are.

[RagnarRocks]

So a non story that's been reported in just about all the national newspapers and on the news channels odd how that happens all the time

[Phill]

Why let facts get in the way of a good story.

[RagnarRocks]

Yes much better to read a 670 page fantasy document than actually deal with facts and figures

[Oddquine]

Hey folks.the moon is made of applewood smoked cheese..and I'm a Unionist politician/journalist/fellow Unionist forum poster.....and am selling it at £25 a pound.....which of you lot...who believe everything you are being told if you are told it by the "Union" via their lackeys and lickspittles, is is going to be first in the queue to hand over your fiver? (You are, you do realise, surely, no more guaranteed to get an edible applewood cheese flavoured wedge of the moon from me than Scotland is guaranteed not to get to use sterling, join NATO, join the EU, get any assets, keep the geographical share of the oil and gas,etc?

I know all you pro-Union posters find it hard to come up with benefits of being in the Union....and I do sympathise, really I do...but for the love of Pete...stop with the regurgitation of Project Fear crap..it is getting wearing......and how anyone would think that an unremiting. relentless series of scaremongering,threats and lies are going to do any more good for the NO campaign than the same tactics did for Labour in 2011 in the Scottish Elections beats me.

The FT did the pro-Union media twist to suit the Government..as usual. What was actually said by Morrison's company executive (or what was reported as being said by the FT) was “If the regulatory environment was to increase the burden of the cost structure on business, that would potentially have to be passed through to consumer pricing, because why should the English and Welsh consumer subsidise this increased cost of doing business in Scotland?” and what the Asda one said was “A yes vote in 2014 could result in Scotland being a less attractive investment proposition for business, and put further pressure on our costs.” Now that is fair enough....but how the heck the FT made their headline and first paragraph read as if it was a promise and not a possibility I'm blowed if I know...but then I can read....and they obviously cannot. No supermarket has said that prices will rise in an independent Scotland or that they are planning to do any such thing after Independence and those of you who are assuming the headline had much to do with the article really want to start reading past the first paragraph of an article. If you haven't actually read it all......it is here http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/064cc436-5...44feabdc0.html

Of course, I suppose, given the tendencies of the UK media to hack and lie.....the FT may well have had a bug on the fly on the wall of the private room where the big grocers are privately talking about halting this practice [of absorbing the extra costs]if Scotland becomes an independent nation. Morrison's has said that prices will, (as prices always do, of course) depend on increased/decreased taxation/regulation. (which was what their boss said and the FT very liberally interpreted!) and other market forces..like competition. Tesco denied they had spoken to the Financial Times and Asda joined Morrison's in saying they had no plans to increase prices.

Interested in the concerns about investment......were they not the same concerns being shouted loud and long to any UK media representative who would report it as fact, by Michael Moore and other members of Cabinet a year or two back because of the "uncertainty" of Scotland's position within the UK because of the referendum...and didn't the number of foreign direct investment projects in Scotland increase by 16% in 2012-13, according to official figures, while UK Trade and Investment said the figure for the UK as a whole rose by 11%? Methinks it is more worrying for foreign investment not knowing if the UK is going to stay in the EU?

Have to say if it wasn't so pathetic it would almost be funny........ the part that says Ed Davey, energy secretary, has warned that Scottish Households would also face the risk of higher utility bills because at present its renewable industry gets disproportionate support from the rest of the UK might actually mean something if it wasn't for the fact that the North of Scotland is hoaching with bliddy windmills producing electricity...Scotland exports electricity to England........and we are still charged the highest prices per unit in the UK!!!!!!!!

I'd be more worried about the costs of staying in the Union myself.......because if you all want the security blanket of certainty rather than take a punt on hope for the country and its children.....that is the best you are going to get......and UK future isn't looking too good.....(Headlines only as you all seem to prefer basing opinions on headlines only).....Analysis of autumn statement by Institute for Fiscal Studies predicts real incomes will be no higher in 2015 than in 2002. I could do you more from the Unionist media....like.....Britain can no longer afford the Welfare State says Osborne....or 800,000 people ‘lifted’ out of fuel poverty – by redefining it and People now in their forties will have to wait until they are 68 to receive the State Pension....and lots more!

[RagnarRocks]

You're entitled to your opinion but do you honestly believe calling people with opposing views lackeys and lickspittles will enamour any sane person to your cause I didn't bother reading a word past that . Well done how to disenfranchise people from debate !

[Oddquine]

So if this loony wants tesco, asda, sainsburys and morrisons out of Scotland then just who will fill the void?

Aldi and Lidl?

[golach]

Aldi and Lidl?

Only if your still in the EU, and that I dont think so

[Oddquine]

You're entitled to your opinion but do you honestly believe calling people with opposing views lackeys and lickspittles will enamour any sane person to your cause I didn't bother reading a word past that . Well done how to disenfranchise people from debate !

I meant the media which tells the forum posters what to regurgitate......I generally call the media lackeys and lickspittles..or words in the same vein, because they are. Maybe shouldn't have tacked on the forum posters because of the applewood smoked cheese moon pitch....but hey......if you want to take offence.....feel free! It is, after all, a good excuse not to have to read posts.

[Phill]

So if this loony wants tesco, asda, sainsburys and morrisons out of Scotland then just who will fill the void?

Aldi and Lidl?

Eh! Where's this pro German anti English campaign come from?

[RagnarRocks]

It's the way forward for independent Scotland support and ingratiate yourself with any other country bar rUK. Russian and Chinese warships docked on the Clyde next :0))

[Oddquine]

It's the way forward for independent Scotland support and ingratiate yourself with any other country bar rUK. Russian and Chinese warships docked on the Clyde next :0))

It would be better than Trident! Why bother to ingratiate ourselves with a Government and its pet media intent on scaremongering, smearing and downright lying because they have nothing else to say......and not for the first time?

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index...pendence-style

[RagnarRocks]

It would be better than Trident! Why bother to ingratiate ourselves with a Government and its pet media intent on scaremongering, smearing and downright lying because they have nothing else to say......and not for the first time? http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index...pendence-style

You mean like the don't ask don't tell rule which Mr Salmond would probably use to ensure the Americans can still use Faslane and get Scotland into NATO . Also I don't get how you can keep using this blanket term of the governments pet media its not really realistic the media do align themselves sometimes with governments but they also slate them whenever it suits. All the parties smear and lie and its delusional to think the SNP are any different or that an independent Scotland will become some land of Milk and Honey. You seem to espouse the rule of take a chance on Independence because it will be so much better but all I hear is a lot of socialist rhetoric but non of it based on substantive facts or figures which aren't picked apart immediately by a whole host of varied bodies. Some are Uk based others not. It is the job of separatists to convince everyone else why it would be so good to be Independent as of yet I've not seen a single thing which has not got more holes in than Rab C Nesbits vest being presented. Trident is an issue for some but the anti nuclear brigade aren't as vocal as they used to be the public less concerned for the majority you don't see the big protests anymore but people seeing the prices of energy soaring are asking why such a vocal minority are stopping nuclear stations being built...Times have changed since the 70s and 80s greenham common and those types of protestors don't get the credibility they used to anymore. So lets try hearing some facts which will convince me that its worth taking such a big risk which will effect generations to come. It will stop nuclear submarines docking at Faslane isn't a good one,as there will still be nuke subs out there and American ones still docking full of nukes.

[Phill]

Hmmm, so it is preferable to see a Russian or Chinese nuclear weapons system in Scotland than a rUK (read English (friendly)) one.

[Oddquine]

Hmmm, so it is preferable to see a Russian or Chinese nuclear weapons system in Scotland than a rUK (read English (friendly)) one.

On current showing...where do you get friendly rUK, honestly? Where did I say nuclear weapons system and stockpile....and anyway do surface ships carry nuclear weapons nowadays?