Bailie Windfarm has been paid £268,617 NOT to generate electricity since 28th June.

**Rheghead** · 14-Oct-13, 21:06

Originally Posted by Green_not_greed

As has already been said, this practice is not new and has been debated on the forum before.

However I have recently been told that the payments received were MORE than Baille would have received if it had generated electricity at the time. I'm not up to speed on the actual payments system or mechanism so have no idea how much more Baillie received than they would have if running as usual. If indeed that was the case. Perhaps Rheghead has the answer - I don't know.

Whatever, consumers paying any electricity generator MORE than they would normally receive if they were generating normally really doesn't sound right. If that is the case then something is very wrong with the system.

GNG

I don't know either. But one thing is for certain, asking wind farms to shut down must be a last resort.

If you were the national grid operator and you need to balance the grid, you have the choice of shutting down a wind farm or a carbon dioxide belching coal power station, what would you choose? It would be easy to turn the wind off so something has to persuade you to turn off a coal power plant.

**ywindythesecond** · 14-Oct-13, 22:19

Originally Posted by Rheghead

I don't know either. But one thing is for certain, asking wind farms to shut down must be a last resort.

If you were the national grid operator and you need to balance the grid, you have the choice of shutting down a wind farm or a carbon dioxide belching coal power station, what would you choose? It would be easy to turn the wind off so something has to persuade you to turn off a coal power plant.

Turning off windfarms is a last resort. National grid has to balance its books as well as the grid and as it is 3 or 4 times more expensive to turn off windfarms it shuts down coal plant first until it runs out of them, and then as a last resort it uses our money to shut down the windfarms, which caused the problem in the first place.

**Rheghead** · 14-Oct-13, 22:38

Originally Posted by ywindythesecond

Turning off windfarms is a last resort. National grid has to balance its books as well as the grid and as it is 3 or 4 times more expensive to turn off windfarms it shuts down coal plant first until it runs out of them, and then as a last resort it uses our money to shut down the windfarms, which caused the problem in the first place.

When are you going to start legal proceedings against me or are you all talk and no action?

**ywindythesecond** · 14-Oct-13, 22:48

When I have to, but meantime can we stick to the thread? I have answered your question. Normally you would now argue your point. That is how civilised debate is conducted. Please continue.

**secrets in symmetry** · 14-Oct-13, 22:54

Originally Posted by Rheghead

When are you going to start legal proceedings against me or are you all talk and no action?

He has to read the Big Red Book of Legal Action for Schoolboys before he can contemplate that.

**golach** · 14-Oct-13, 22:58

Originally Posted by ywindythesecond

When I have to, but meantime can we stick to the thread? I have answered your question. Normally you would now argue your point. That is how civilised debate is conducted. Please continue.

Yawn, here we go again!!!

**Rheghead** · 14-Oct-13, 23:01

Originally Posted by ywindythesecond

When I have to, but meantime can we stick to the thread? I have answered your question. Normally you would now argue your point. That is how civilised debate is conducted. Please continue.

You're all talk and no action then.

Why should I take you seriously when you make legal threats that you don't intend to follow up?

**ywindythesecond** · 14-Oct-13, 23:14

Originally Posted by ywindythesecond

Turning off windfarms is a last resort. National grid has to balance its books as well as the grid and as it is 3 or 4 times more expensive to turn off windfarms it shuts down coal plant first until it runs out of them, and then as a last resort it uses our money to shut down the windfarms, which caused the problem in the first place.

Anyone care to argue with that?

**Rheghead** · 14-Oct-13, 23:19

Originally Posted by ywindythesecond

Anyone care to argue with that?

Yes I care, we can go back to our robust discussions but there is the matter of you making legal threats.

An apology would get us back to normal.

**ywindythesecond** · 14-Oct-13, 23:28

I accept your apology for repeatedly accusing me of lying and I look forward to a vigorous debate.

So, moving on, I said:

"Turning off windfarms is a last resort. National grid has to balance its books as well as the grid and as it is 3 or 4 times more expensive to turn off windfarms it shuts down coal plant first until it runs out of them, and then as a last resort it uses our money to shut down the windfarms, which caused the problem in the first place."

**Rheghead** · 14-Oct-13, 23:33

Originally Posted by ywindythesecond

I accept your apology for repeatedly accusing me of lying and I look forward to a vigorous debate.

So, moving on, I said:

"Turning off windfarms is a last resort. National grid has to balance its books as well as the grid and as it is 3 or 4 times more expensive to turn off windfarms it shuts down coal plant first until it runs out of them, and then as a last resort it uses our money to shut down the windfarms, which caused the problem in the first place."

Come on, you must apologise to me for making legal threats. I know anyone can get a little angry at times and blurt out something that they regret. I'm really understanding in that respect. It is up to you or you'll force me to stifle any debate that you'd like to start.

**ywindythesecond** · 14-Oct-13, 23:44

Originally Posted by Rheghead

It is up to you or you'll force me to stifle any debate that you'd like to start.

Reported to mods.

**Rheghead** · 14-Oct-13, 23:47

Originally Posted by ywindythesecond

Reported to mods.

Report away. Are you going to apologise for making legal threats? Even your supporters would respect you more for doing so. Sorry is the hardest word.

**ywindythesecond** · 16-Oct-13, 20:53

Now up to £269,906.

**mi16** · 16-Oct-13, 21:10

Originally Posted by Rheghead

Report away. Are you going to apologise for making legal threats? Even your supporters would respect you more for doing so. Sorry is the hardest word.

you are beginning to look like the end of a bell

**Rheghead** · 17-Oct-13, 10:45

Originally Posted by mi16

you are beginning to look like the end of a bell

Do you think it is ok for ywindy to make legal threats to me for exposing him for having a financial interest (a business) out of objecting to wind farms? Also for saying that that he goes on jollies to wind farm inquiries?

**mi16** · 17-Oct-13, 13:10

Originally Posted by Rheghead

Do you think it is ok for ywindy to make legal threats to me for exposing him for having a financial interest (a business) out of objecting to wind farms? Also for saying that that he goes on jollies to wind farm inquiries?

I couldn't give a monkeys, in my opinion you are as bad as each other.You would be better sorting your differences in the traditional manner.

**Rheghead** · 17-Oct-13, 13:33

Originally Posted by mi16

I couldn't give a monkeys, in my opinion you are as bad as each other.You would be better sorting your differences in the traditional manner.

And the traditional manner is an apology.

**mi16** · 17-Oct-13, 13:39

Originally Posted by Rheghead

And the traditional manner is an apology.

or a debate, duel, swordfight, jousting, bare knuckle fight, wrestling bout anything but boring the world with your online he said / she said nonsense

**Rheghead** · 17-Oct-13, 14:12

Originally Posted by mi16

or a debate, duel, swordfight, jousting, bare knuckle fight, wrestling bout anything but boring the world with your online he said / she said nonsense

What like you are doing now?

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