RIP Alan Whicker

[golach]

Another one of your idols here golach? :-

http://forum.caithness.org/showthrea...846#post899846

At the time of me posting this I and many others had no idea, of the dark side of J Saville, notice you have only picked on Kodiak and myself to throw brickbats at, no mention of the other posters, is there a reason for this?? Check most of the other RIP threads on 'e org and you may find I and others have shown our respect. Get a life Scorrie

[scorrie]

At the time of me posting this I and many others had no idea, of the dark side of J Saville, notice you have only picked on Kodiak and myself to throw brickbats at, no mention of the other posters, is there a reason for this?? Check most of the other RIP threads on 'e org and you may find I and others have shown our respect. Get a life Scorrie

You and Kodiak were the ones who were picked out because you were two of only three posters who replied to the thread regarding the death of Jimmy Savile.

You had no idea about the dark side of Jimmy Savile and that is my point entirely. When you get right down to it you, or any other person who thinks they "know" famous people, in reality know diddly squat about who they truly are. For that reason I am against the idea of this cultural phenomenon of being seen to be grieving over people who are , in reality, total strangers. That sort of nonsense devalues true grief which can only be shown for nearest and dearest. If that sort of gushing schmaltz belongs anywhere it belongs on a personal page on something like Facebook, rather than a public forum, particularly one that is supposed to be primarily about Caithness.

Don't have the cheek to tell me to get a life when you are posting elegies to people you know almost nothing about.

We even had a suggestion on another of the Latin master's Requisite Hale et Pace threads that the late Michael Winner made some good movies. Ah yes, the gang rape scene in Death Wish 3 will be fondly remembered by many I suspect.

[PantsMAN]

You had no idea about the dark side of Jimmy Savile and that is my point entirely. When you get right down to it you, or any other person who thinks they "know" famous people, in reality know diddly squat about who they truly are. For that reason I am against the idea of this cultural phenomenon of being seen to be grieving over people who are , in reality, total strangers. That sort of nonsense devalues true grief which can only be shown for nearest and dearest. If that sort of gushing schmaltz belongs anywhere it belongs on a personal page on something like Facebook, rather than a public forum, particularly one that is supposed to be primarily about Caithness.

Hear Hear !

Another nail hit firmly on the head! Well said Scorrie!

[macadamia]

Alan Whicker made a significant contribution to the world of television. As a raconteur, innovator, interviewer, and essential director, derived from his wartime film unit experience, he delivered a significant benefit to society.<br>
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Would that others might affirm positivity.

[golach]

Don't have the cheek to tell me to get a life when you are posting elegies to people you know almost nothing about..

Thats a very sweeping statement, when you know absolutely nothing about me

[Kodiak]

Don't have the cheek to tell me to get a life when you are posting elegies to people you know almost nothing about.

You are a excitable little person aren't you. So just to help you out I really think the word you are looking for is "eulogies" and not elegies.

Elegies are a mournful, melancholic or plaintive poems, especially a funeral song.

I do not think golach or myself have written any plaintive poems let alone funeral songs.

[scorrie]

Alan Whicker made a significant contribution to the world of television. As a raconteur, innovator, interviewer, and essential director, derived from his wartime film unit experience, he delivered a significant benefit to society.<br>
<br>
Would that others might affirm positivity.

And your point is?

[scorrie]

You are a excitable little person aren't you. So just to help you out I really think the word you are looking for is "eulogies" and not elegies.

Elegies are a mournful, melancholic or plaintive poems, especially a funeral song.

I do not think golach or myself have written any plaintive poems let alone funeral songs.

I am neither small nor excitable. In fact the thought of one of your posts inducing anything other than a soporific effect is highly amusing. Hurry along now the Online Oxford Dictionary is missing one pedant (or maybe it's a pendant)

Oh, and this news just in ambulancechaser.com has just announced the death of the actor who played "Prison Warder 2" in one episode of Porridge in 1974 and I am sure he'd enjoy the full Respirator In Space 1999 treatment

[macadamia]

My point is that it is perfectly reasonable to make positive remarks about the life and times of a familiar and well-loved public figure. It's what grown ups do.

[scorrie]

My point is that it is perfectly reasonable to make positive remarks about the life and times of a familiar and well-loved public figure. It's what grown ups do.

As the late Sir James Savile might have said, now then, now then, no need to get tinky with the "It's what grown ups do" crack. That is rude, petty and not err, what's the phrase I'm looking for? Oh yes "grown up"

It would be better if the purpose of a thread was truly to discuss what television was like in the time of Alan Whicker and how he was part of it, comparing it to the world we live in today. However, that could be have been done at any time he was alive had it been the real intention. These types of thread seem to be much more a case of being seen to be gushing sorrow over quite often minor celebrities at best.

If you search the forum for the popular tag within this type of thread "Requiescat in Pace" you will find a list of the departed containing not so much a "who's who?", more of a "Who?" including Bargain Hunt's David Barby and an American actor John Dye. No disrespect to either man, but they were hardly of legendary status. There is not a lot you could say about some of the people concerned and it seems totally about being seen to be pouring out sympathy for all and sundry.

There are loads of internet sites out there for celebrity gossip and worship, so I don't think we need to turn this forum into another one.

[macadamia]

Your thoughts are of little concern to me, and your rationale even less. You will not prescribe what is written on this site: the moderator takes care of such matters. Such presumption implies the kind of arrogance I am sure you would not like to be associated with. In the meantime, you give me a further opportunity to state on record that Alan Whicker's contribution is of note, and in a country where freedom of speech is given some prominence, I will continue to respect his name and commend his exploits.

Please note that for every further pinprick of annoyance you cause, you will be rewarded with a further tribute to Alan Whicker.

Which I am sure is not your desire or intention.

[golach]

Your thoughts are of little concern to me, and your rationale even less. You will not prescribe what is written on this site: the moderator takes care of such matters. Such presumption implies the kind of arrogance I am sure you would not like to be associated with. In the meantime, you give me a further opportunity to state on record that Alan Whicker's contribution is of note, and in a country where freedom of speech is given some prominence, I will continue to respect his name and commend his exploits.

Please note that for every further pinprick of annoyance you cause, you will be rewarded with a further tribute to Alan Whicker..

Hear Hear until there is a change in the Org rules I will continue posts of this ilk.

[ducati]

If a thread annoys, bores or otherwise offends you...don't read it, simples

[secrets in symmetry]

I was saddened when I heard the news about Alan Whicker. He made good TV, and he was a good all-round bloke.

[scorrie]

If a thread annoys, bores or otherwise offends you...don't read it, simples

Not that old chestnut again. Give it a rest. I am within my rights to post on a phenomenon of grief junkies needing to be seen to be pouring out their soul over every other celebrity that passes away. It is strange that the people who were supposedly such legends need to die before they warrant a mention. I have nothing against Alan Whicker, he was a TV pioneer of sorts but faded out of the limelight in recent decades. His death came at a good age after a life well lived. Nothing tragic or untimely about the way he passed away and you will have to forgive me for not feeling the need to don the black armband and behave as if he was someone related or personally known to me. There are far more tragic events going on every day that people don't give two monkeys about because there is no celebrity involved.

[scorrie]

Your thoughts are of little concern to me, and your rationale even less. You will not prescribe what is written on this site: the moderator takes care of such matters. Such presumption implies the kind of arrogance I am sure you would not like to be associated with. In the meantime, you give me a further opportunity to state on record that Alan Whicker's contribution is of note, and in a country where freedom of speech is given some prominence, I will continue to respect his name and commend his exploits.

Please note that for every further pinprick of annoyance you cause, you will be rewarded with a further tribute to Alan Whicker.

Which I am sure is not your desire or intention.

You can talk all you wish about Alan Whicker. I have nothing against him at all. He was a man of a certain time that had become something of a stranger on TV. I find the whole freedom of speech, moderators will dictate thing a bit over-dramatic and the threat of more tributes for every annoyance caused is the sort of nonsense that belongs in the Primary School playground. I am sure you would not wish to be seen as so childish, so it might be worth tempering that sort of threat.

I don't think many people dropped to their knees unable to cope with the loss of Alan Whicker, regardless of how respected he was and I consider this endless stream of R.I.P threads for almost anyone who seems to have been on TV at some stage to be out of proportion with reality and a symptom of the celebrity culture that sees our children unable to deal with the mundanity of the real world. Here is part of an article concerning the end of Harry Potter and how kids can't deal with him passing away:-

"That’s what some child psychologists are saying will happen with the death of Potter. They say the death of Harry resembles the same emotions that a child feels after they lose a close family member to death, or after the loss of a cherished family pet.

Doctors say there may be a silent impact on some children’s brain as they slowly realize they will never see Harry again.

And that has them worried.

In fact, some schools across the country are setting up “grief stations” during their summer sessions so children can talk to psychologists about their “loss”.

Other schools have consulted with specialists about how to deal with the long term effects of their summer session students coming to grips that they have lost a cherished childhood friend"

Sweet Jesus

[secrets in symmetry]

If a thread annoys, bores or otherwise offends you...don't read it, simples

Yes, indeed. It's a simple rule that many fail to get to grips with.

[macadamia]

Alan Whicker was a great contributor to a more joyful world. Luckily, there will be worthy successors. In the meantiime, "well done, old boy!" I salute anyone who uses champagne as a mouthwash, as he reportedly did.

[ducati]

Not that old chestnut again. Give it a rest. I am within my rights to post on a phenomenon of grief junkies needing to be seen to be pouring out their soul over every other celebrity that passes away. It is strange that the people who were supposedly such legends need to die before they warrant a mention. I have nothing against Alan Whicker, he was a TV pioneer of sorts but faded out of the limelight in recent decades. His death came at a good age after a life well lived. Nothing tragic or untimely about the way he passed away and you will have to forgive me for not feeling the need to don the black armband and behave as if he was someone related or personally known to me. There are far more tragic events going on every day that people don't give two monkeys about because there is no celebrity involved.

So? Don't. Instead of criticising threads that of no interest to you, get a life.