Eductaion in the EU

[weezer 316]

Decided in the light of some unbelievable ignorance about the EU on these pages, from people calling it a German cabal to saying its undemocratic and has no benefits to our inclusion, to trumpet the benefits of the EU. None of this could have happened without EU membership. And its really only the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.euromove.org.uk/index.php?id=15296

[joxville]

Oh, the irony! :-)

[changilass]

lol Jox, I went googling just in case it was a new EU word.

[M Swanson]

LOL Jox.

Seriously though Weezer, how would it be if not one person in Britain had the right to vote, in anyway at all, for a Prime Minister? Imagine, that prior to attaining this great seat of power, none of us knew him, had heard of him, much less voted for him? Well, enter Mr Van Rumpoy! Not one of 500 Million people had any say in who would hold the most powerful position in Europe. Now, I ask you to be sensible here, Weezee, is that democracy, by anyones' definition? Surely not! Scary stuff though! Who do you think may have chosen Van Rumpoy for President? Over to you.

[weezer 316]

Forgive the speeeeling mistake haha!

Tell me, have you ever voted for the prime minister in this country, ever? Ever ever ever? The term parlimentary democracy can be a killer.....

Any ones thoughts on that link above? Or are we still going to exist in perceptual almost religious like denial about the EU?

[M Swanson]

More stuff and nonsense from you Weezer! Of course, we vote for the leader of the political party to become our Prime Minister. For example, I briefly thought about casting my vote for the Labour Party, but when Blagger Blair was chosen as the leader, I quickly about turned. Others who didn't, voted for the party and accepted Blair as PM. Democracy! Now, who voted for Van Rumpoy? Had you ever heard of him? Was he voted in, or was he appointed? And by whom? As Farage rightly said to El Presidente - "Who are you? I've never heard of you. Nobody in Europe had heard of you? And who voted for you?" And that from a member of the EU Parliament. Is this democracy? Get away! Now, come on, Weezee. For once, try answering one, or two of the questions put to you. This penchant of yours for fudging isn't really good enough.

Until I have the time to check the details given in the link and the credentials of whoever wrote it, a quick scan leads me to suspect it may be a propaganda jobbie. It certainly smells a bit iffy. Leave that one with me and hopefully I'll get back to you Weezer.

[weezer 316]

Utterly amazing, it smells a bit iffy......just how you decide things clearly. You could try reading it no? Instead of sniffing?

Its no wonder your conclusions are all nonsense you wont even bother reading what the EU does or how it works as you clearly havent a clue, yet you dismiss it anyway. Its like religious folk dismissing evolution, something they have never even read about briefly. Thats whats killing this country, not the EU! You wont or maybe cant read anything that smells a bit iffy.

[M Swanson]

LOL. Still not ONE of my questions answered, Weezer. I wonder why?

As I wrote in my post, I haven't "decided," anything, yet, about this EuroMove outfit, but I'm on the trail. Something definitely fishy about this report. Leave it with me. I'll get back to you.

[weezer 316]

Really. I Remember asking for one example of an EU benefit and you couldnt give one..........or didnt want to.

Now what question(s) was it you wanted answered? You did ask about EU benefits so I supplied several dozen in that link. Was it the democracy question? It answers itself, I can only surmise you mis-understand what democracy is. You, and the rest liek you, havent a clue how the EU works, and even say it forces laws on us! Such basic falsehoods and willingly so it appears need to be confronted as its that which is lowly destroying this country.

For the record Euro move just list whats publicly available. You can cross check the whole lot online, as I am sure you have done already in your extensive understanding of the EU

[Retread]

Decided in the light of some unbelievable ignorance about the EU on these pages, from people calling it a German cabal to saying its undemocratic and has no benefits to our inclusion, to trumpet the benefits of the EU. None of this could have happened without EU membership. And its really only the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.euromove.org.uk/index.php?id=15296

There are many perks to the EU, these guys are very aware of that .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzEQWigzz30

[badger]

There are many perks to the EU, these guys are very aware of that .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzEQWigzz30

I'm not even surprised http://www.maxfarquar.com/2013/01/me...k-in-brussels/

[M Swanson]

Thanks Retread and Badger for these clips. There are those who would have us believe that membership for Britain in the EU, is good value for money. This evidence demonstrates clearly, that it's not and this is only one small area of incompetence, dishonesty and absolute waste, of this bureaucratic monster. Is anyone surprised that for the 18th year running, the auditor's have refused to sign-off the accounts? What business would ever be allowed to continue operating in the same circumstances? I think we all know the answer to that one.

Check out a few of these facts about the true cost of our membership in the EU. For what return?
The net cost of the EU budget to Britain in 2011 was £10.8 billion* and rising. But the actual cost - direct and indirect - is much more than that.

Last time it was calculated, in 2008, the European Union was costing us £65 billion gross every year. That's about £1,000 each every year for every man, woman and child in the UK. It increases every year, so it will be a lot more now.
* Source: Office for National Statistics "Pink Book"

[Retread]

I am all for the Common Market, and I find it REALLY hard to believe that if Britian left the EU tomorrow trade with Europe would evaporate. Would we take a hit ??, yup. Would we get over it ??, yup. But I believe we would be better off if our laws and Government weren't overuled by Brussels, a wasteful arrogant monolith that seems to assume we all want to be part of the EUSSR. They haven't balanced their own books in sixteen years. Nuff said.

[M Swanson]

Can't argue with any of that Retread. A-g-a-i-n.

[M Swanson]

Really. I Remember asking for one example of an EU benefit and you couldnt give one..........or didnt want to.

Now what question(s) was it you wanted answered? You did ask about EU benefits so I supplied several dozen in that link. Was it the democracy question? It answers itself, I can only surmise you mis-understand what democracy is. You, and the rest liek you, havent a clue how the EU works, and even say it forces laws on us! Such basic falsehoods and willingly so it appears need to be confronted as its that which is lowly destroying this country.

So, I couldn't give one Weeze! As I said, "rugger all."

Of course it was the question of "democracy," with regard to Van Rumpoy in particular. I'm not surprised you couldn't answer the questions though ........ 500 Million of us can't. So let's try an easier one for you. How about the election of Barosso, the European Commission President? By anyone's definition was he democratically elected? It's an easy enough question and I hope you do a lot better with this one than you've managed with all the others.

[Rheghead]

Can't argue with any of that Retread. A-g-a-i-n.

I thought you expressed remorse for voting for EEC membership?

[M Swanson]

Yes, that's right, Rheg. You have to remember that we were all sold a pup in the 70's. The issue was on whether we wanted free trade between us and Europe. It's the only reason so many of us voted for it, but it didn't take long before the folly of our gullibility began to strike home. Heath even admitted that we had been hoodwinked. Major plans were already set-up and voting 'Yes' opened the door to what has now become the likelihood of a Federal State. I doubt many of us oldies, who voted in the seventies are pleased to have signed away so much. We were shafted big-time.

I still believe in trading with the EU, but without the constraints and obligations of membership. I believe that is still very possible and thus agreed with Retread.

[Rheghead]

Nah, no regrets, I believe Heath was pro-europe until his dying day.

[M Swanson]

Ay? It was Heath who sold us down the river, by using deception. He gloated about it. I'm surprised anyone could applaud such treason ....... no matter what their views are on membership to the EU.

[Rheghead]

Margeret Thatcher on the other hand, she did sell us into the EEC via the referendum, she changed her mind, or at least she seemed to. She then went onto being the PM with the largest overall majorities ever, much more than Cameron will ever achieve and she never gave us a referendum to get out. How spineless was that?