What is the SNP?

[rob murray]

Welcome back Fred.
your not back half an hour and you have already associated the SNP with the Nazis, Alex Salmond with the banking crash, called the world leaders psychopaths and to crown that your old mates Golach and John Little are crawling half way up your backside in appreciation of your efforts.
You couldna make it up.

I personally found Fred's post very very interesting, I did not know of SNP historic fascist undertones / associations and am extrememly interested in finding out more. A very enlightening post indeed !!!

[secrets in symmetry]

The SNP were born with fascist leanings, Wee Fat Eck's wing had Trotskyist leanings in the 80s, now they're secessionist opportunists playing at being nationalists, socialists and libertarians at the same time. Once an extremist....

I wouldn't trust the Wee Fat One with a bus fare....

[fred]

I personally found Fred's post very very interesting, I did not know of SNP historic fascist undertones / associations and am extrememly interested in finding out more. A very enlightening post indeed !!!

To be fair they weren't the only ones. In the early years of the war there were politicians on all sides looking to edge their bets so they could keep their power if Germany won, much as in France where half the government switched sides. Look at them defecting from the Syrian government in droves today.

My massage would be the same as which brand of psychopath was proposing the referendum.

[pmcd]

Have you noticed that the Baboon of Brigadoon is now confronting the Catholic Church head on? And have you noticed that the SNP symbol is the Christian symbol toppled on its side? Surely this is worth some impotent frothing? Or is it another red herring on the way to oblivion? And why am I sounding like a BBC Newsreader? Shouldn't I be dispensing the truth, instead of asking hysterical questions? Surely we should be told?

[rob murray]

To be fair they weren't the only ones. In the early years of the war there were politicians on all sides looking to edge their bets so they could keep their power if Germany won, much as in France where half the government switched sides. Look at them defecting from the Syrian government in droves today.

My massage would be the same as which brand of psychopath was proposing the referendum.

Pre war, post 1933, government policy was appeasement of Germany, during this period Churchill with some support stood alone against Germany and its historically accepted that there was still a strong appeasement movement in government which lasted towards the end of 1941, then all bets off total war based on unconditional surrender. So my question is how active were the SNIP's in the post 41 period ?

[John Little]

Have you noticed that the Baboon of Brigadoon is now confronting the Catholic Church head on? And have you noticed that the SNP symbol is the Christian symbol toppled on its side? Surely this is worth some impotent frothing? Or is it another red herring on the way to oblivion? And why am I sounding like a BBC Newsreader? Shouldn't I be dispensing the truth, instead of asking hysterical questions? Surely we should be told?

Better not. Questions need answers. Could be awkward.

[rob murray]

Better not. Questions need answers. Could be awkward.

Well let him crack at it, he now has no chance of making serious head way into the west of scotland catholic vote

[fred]

Pre war, post 1933, government policy was appeasement of Germany, during this period Churchill with some support stood alone against Germany and its historically accepted that there was still a strong appeasement movement in government which lasted towards the end of 1941, then all bets off total war based on unconditional surrender. So my question is how active were the SNIP's in the post 41 period ?

But within Scottish politics there were people on all sides looking to be ruler of an independent Scotland with German military aid. The right wing had Archibald Ramsay, Douglas Young was a member of the Labour Party as well as the SNP.

[fred]

Have you noticed that the Baboon of Brigadoon is now confronting the Catholic Church head on? And have you noticed that the SNP symbol is the Christian symbol toppled on its side? Surely this is worth some impotent frothing? Or is it another red herring on the way to oblivion? And why am I sounding like a BBC Newsreader? Shouldn't I be dispensing the truth, instead of asking hysterical questions? Surely we should be told?

The SNP's top doner, Brian Souter, is a staunch Presbyterian, he financed a private postal ballot against ditching Clause 28.

[rob murray]

But within Scottish politics there were people on all sides looking to be ruler of an independent Scotland with German military aid. The right wing had Archibald Ramsay, Douglas Young was a member of the Labour Party as well as the SNP.

Thanks for the names, any one else lurking in the cup board, I didnt even know of this so Im now intrigued enough to do some basic research, so thanks for wikipdeia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Young_(classicist) also looked up Ramsay, both powerful "nationalists, not fringe members that one could dismiss as nutters, but signifciant and nasty players !! Just goes to show

[ducati]

Ah now we are starting to peel the scales from eyes. Too dangerous is the assurance that the SNP won't rule an independent Scotland. For all we know, the rest of the political spectrum will pack up and go home. Leaving us with Alex, president for life.

[fred]

Ah now we are starting to peel the scales from eyes. Too dangerous is the assurance that the SNP won't rule an independent Scotland. For all we know, the rest of the political spectrum will pack up and go home. Leaving us with Alex, president for life.

I doubt it, he's probably got his sights on a seat on the board of one of the international oil companies that tell governments what to do.

[John Little]

The SNP's top doner, Brian Souter, is a staunch Presbyterian, he financed a private postal ballot against ditching Clause 28.

I am confused. Isn't Brian Souter about as right wing and Conservative as you can get? If that is so, then why is he funding a left of centre party?

[fred]

I am confused. Isn't Brian Souter about as right wing and Conservative as you can get? If that is so, then why is he funding a left of centre party?

He who pays the piper...

The SNP said they would re-regulate the buses if they got to power, well they got to power but nothing has changed. It was conveniently dropped from their list of priorities following a half million quid donation from you know who.

[John Little]

Lol! Why am I not surprised? Like Caesar they are all things to all men.

[John Little]

I love this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhsPEq6ass

It's so retro.

The music is excellent - of course.

And the image at the end is sublime.

[fred]

The music is excellent - of course.

Vagner, most appropriate under the circumstances.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/m...nd-Wagner.html

[gleeber]

So true Fred, well done for high lighting the true side of Eck.

Fred; I agree with you - root and branch.

Thank you.

I personally found Fred's post very very interesting,

The SNP were born with fascist leanings, Wee Fat Eck's wing had Trotskyist leanings in the 80s, now they're secessionist opportunists playing at being nationalists, socialists and libertarians at the same time. Once an extremist....

I wouldn't trust the Wee Fat One with a bus fare....

Hoodwinked by a master hoodwinker. Fred can pull stories from a hat, and very often does.
I'm as unbiased an observer to this thread as your likely to get, or at least I thought I was.
The Nationalists have been associated with some of the worst regimes in human history and poor Alex Salmonds been the 21st century equivelant of being hung drawn and quartered. I can see Golach now, standing on the scaffold with a black hood over his head and his eyes shining red. There seems no sense in some of the argument put forward. Some of it seems almost pathological. How can you associate the modern SNP with the founding fathers of Scottish nationalism? Its like comparing John Little to Oliver Cromwell or SiS to Rasputin the monk.

[fred]

Hoodwinked by a master hoodwinker. Fred can pull stories from a hat, and very often does.

Same old story, can't dispute the facts so try to discredit the person telling them.

Don't suppose you could point out where anything I have said was factually incorrect can you?

[John Little]

I'm puzzled to see how Fred has 'hoodwinked' anyone. The past is interesting is it not? The origins of the SNP are interesting.

I was not disputing Fred's facts because they are readily available on the net.

They have shifted their position over the years many times have they not?

Mr Salmond himself has shifted his position many times - has he not?

They are Nationalist, Left of Centre, Libertarian - and accept money from a right wing millionaire- do they not?

The SNP did not spring fully armed as a centre left and Social Democratic Party.

They have a history- why ignore it?

They shift postion a lot - and may continue to do so.

But the bit that Fred said that I particularly agree with is this- and it's true of the UK government, and any other government I can think of. The ruling elites stack the deck in their favour - and a consideration of the history of the banking industry in the last few years makes me think it even more.

Different Boss - same Boss.

I don't think any of them, Nationalist or Unionist, gives a hoot about the people of Scotland or Britain, Independence is all about a shift of power between one part of the ruling elite to another and it galls me that they are using the crimes committed by the ruling elite of history against the common people as a weapon in their propaganda war.