Cormack and Sutherland families

[suenic]

I have come to a grinding halt researching this side of the family - hope someone can help!
My great grandmother, Catherine Sutherland married Donald Cormack in Edinburgh in 1874, but they were both from Caithness originally. Donald's parents were, I think Donald Cormack and Elizabeth Bain who married in Feb 1848; Catherine's were John Sutherland and Isabella Sutherland who married in Dec 1830.
However I can't find their dates of birth anywhere, although I presume they were borm between 1845 and 1850. Latheron, Keiss and Wick are the areas I think they were born in, but their common names don't help! Neither does a Sutherland marrying a Sutherland!

Finally, Catherine died in Keiss on 11 July 1932 - does anyone know of her resting place? Suspicions are that she has a pauper's grave, but I'm not sure!

Any help or guidance would be really appreciated!

Sue

[w.j.milne]

Donald Cormack & Elizabeth Bain married 18/2/1848,Wick.
Their son Donald was born abt 1849, Keiss,Wick.
He married abt 1870 possibly Latheron to Annie Cormack,b. abt 1849,Keiss,Wick.
Children:- Mary A.M.1870,William 1872,James 1875, Donald 1880, Alexander 1882,Margaret 1884, Hugh 1887,May C.1889.All Latheron.
My connection here is Helen Nicolson Manson , b.9/12/1878,Wester,Wick, my Grandmother.
Daughter of Ann Cormack,b. abt 1852,Keiss,d. 12/4/1903,Wick,daughter of Donald Cormack & Elizabeth Bain.
Married 9/6/1876,Keiss,to Alexander Manson,b.1856,Strubster.d.20/3/1929,Myreland,Wick.
Alexander Manson & Annie are both buried Keiss.
Not quite as you have it.You have enough to check out my findings but I have certificates for my grandmother.

[w.j.milne]

Further to the above.The following are the children of Donald Cormack & Elizabeth Bain.
Donald,b. abt 1849 Keiss, Isabella,b.abt 1850,Keiss, Ann,b.abt 1852,Keiss, John,b.abt 1852,Keiss, Elizabeth,b.abt 1855,Keiss,d. aft 1891, William,b.21/4/1857,Keiss , James,b.27/3/1859,Keiss.

[suenic]

You really had me panicking! I really don't understand this as I have a copy of the marriage certificate of Donald and Catherine in front of me, listing Donald's parents as Donald Cormack and Elizabeth Bain, married as I said on 5 June 1874 in Edinburgh! Could there be two very similar family trees going on here? I could send you a copy, only I don't seem to be able to attach anything!

[w.j.milne]

If you have your certificates for Edinburgh then there are two people of the same names, married on the same date. but miles apart in different locations.

[suenic]

If you give me your e-mail address, I'll send you the copy I have! It sounds improbable, but I'm learning not to be too surprised! Learning this morning that 2 other ancestors married at the age of 12!!!! was a lesson in itself.

Sue

PS Thanks for all your efforts so far - much appreciated!

[w.j.milne]

I have just been going over my records .The children I have attributed to Donald are those of a Donald & Ann Sutherland who married 3/12/1869,Bruan,Latheron.There are so many Donalds & cousins marrying amongst each other.

[Tricia]

quick reply: not sure what you have exchanged on this privately

Donald Cormack
Name: Donald Cormack
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Cathrine
Gender: Male
Where born: Wick, Caithness
Registration Number: 43
Registration district: Wick
Civil parish: Wick
County: Caithness
Address: Moss Of Keiss
Occupation: Fisherman
ED: 17
Page: 3 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 15
Line: 21
Roll: cssct1881_11
Household Members: Name Age
Cathrine Cormack 32
Donald Cormack 32

1891
Name: Catherine Cormack
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Donald
Gender: Female
Where born: Latheron, Caithness Shire
Registration Number: 37B
Registration district: Keiss
Civil parish: Wick
County: Caithness
Address: Manse
ED: 2
Page: 22 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 127
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1891_8
Household Members: Name Age
Hellen Bain 56 Aunt b Wick
John Bain 12 Cousin b Tarbet
Mary Bain 8 Cousin
Catherine Cormack 42 b Latheron
Donald Cormack 42 Head of House
Donald Cormack 1
Elizabeth Cormack 3
Isabella Cormack 5

[suenic]

Many thanks for the help given to me through this forum. I am sure I will need you again

Sue

[Tricia]

Two marriages of Donald Cormack to Catherine Sutherland.

1 1869 CORMACK DONALD SUTHERLAND CATHERINE LATHERON /CAITHNESS 038/00 0011 He a chelsea pensioner aged 39 she 35 - they were cousins.
Parents John Cormack (farmer dec) and Janet Keith Alex Sutherland (farmer) and Margaret Keith
Janet and Margaret Keith were sisters- daugs of Donald Keith and Christian Sinclair

2 1874 CORMACK DONALD SUTHERLAND CATHERINE ST ANDREW (EDINBURGH) EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 He a Police Constable both aged 25
Parents : Donald Cormack (fisherman dec) and Elizabeth Bain John Sutherland(fisherman dec) and Isabella Sutherland

[Tricia]

Another: Donald Cormack and Ann Sutherland - marriage.
1869 CORMACK DONALD SUTHERLAND ANN LATHERON /CAITHNESS 038/00 0025 He fisherman 24 she 23 both in East Clyth.
1869 Parents William Cormack (fisherman) Ann McKay James Sutherland (fisherman) and Mary Ann Mckay.

This is Donald with his parents in 1851.
Name: William Cormack
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Cormack
Gender: Male
Where born: Latheron, Caithness
Parish Number: 38
Civil parish: Latheron
County: Caithness
Address: Mid Clyth
Occupation: Fisherman Herring
ED: 2
Page: 11 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 37
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1851_8
Household Members: Name Age
William Cormack 37
Ann Cormack 38
Margaret Cormack 15
Christy Cormack 13
James Cormack 11
Sinclair Cormack 9
Donald Cormack 7
Alexr Cormack 4
William Cormack 2

by 1891 Donald and Ann are in Pulteney Wick

[suenic]

Hi, there!

Thank you all again for your help. I do believe my ancestors married in 1874 in Edinburgh, but their journey to the capital did not last long and they went back to Keiss. I understand that illness made them return.

As to their births, I can find no definitive record! So many Sutherlands and Cormacks married.

Still, i live in hope!

Sue