Puppy sales on .org

**_Ju_** · 21-Jul-11, 10:12

Originally Posted by Tilter

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With all respect, I would say the economic downturn is precisely the reason puppy sales advertising should be banned on the org. Because of the economic downturn, far more dogs are coming into rescue kennels to be rehomed and, because kennels are full to bursting and staff and volunteers stretched to the limit, many many more dogs are simply being abandoned. It is also a fact that puppy sales are down due to the economy and we're seeing more puppies in rescue because their breeders are unable to find buyers for them.

Not being able to to advertise on the org will not slow down breeders. These are litters that are already in existance and will be sold or abandoned no matter what. The one and only thing that will change the way breeders work is that their clients demand more of them and refuse to deal with them when they are not doing what they should. And all these potential puppy clients are too at fault, as they could home a rescue dog instead creating the market for puppies.

**caithgal** · 21-Jul-11, 19:52

There will always be a demand for puppies no matter what anyone does. What would put breeders off more is if buyers would only buy from health tested registered dogs. Or some kind of law meant that you could ONLY sell from a litter that has had all the relevant tests and no other pups could be sold. This would put off a lot of back yard breeders however im also aware that it would be difficut to enforce but surely something can be done

**mop top** · 21-Jul-11, 20:31

Well maybe we should all lobby for change and put it to someone in parliment surely if there was enough weight behind a petition then it would be listened to. No point us all moaning on here and not actually doing anything about it.

**crustyroll** · 21-Jul-11, 22:16

The original puppy sales were banned as there was a lot of bad feeling going around.. ie, see my for sale advert and you will see what I'm talking about. This person claims that I'm doing the breed a disservice and yet he can't even read the post correctly!!!

As far as I'm aware that was one of the reasons the posts were banned. I had been told that someone requested the posts be banned and it was aimed personally at me.

I emailed Mr Fernie directly and requested that the ban be lifted and was told that it was a big NO and it wouldn't be lifted at all and I was wasting my time asking. Low and behold a few weeks later, it was lifted without being publicy announced. I asked that it be lifted as it definately singled out Lab puppies. Many other pups of a slightly older age were being allowed to be sold, older dogs and other animals were being sold so why should Labs be the only pups not allowed? For everyone's information as Oakley2007 want's to point out, I'm not desperate to sell the last pup and I may already have a buyer lined up and it wasn't through the org.

I just read the bit about not being able to distinguish between private sellers and breeders - none of this was in the email I received about why the ban was put in place. To be honest it's all just a downright mess and those of us that are doing it responsibly - regardless of what some idiots think - are being lumped in with those that aren't.

**crustyroll** · 21-Jul-11, 22:17

Originally Posted by Tilter

Lots of forums do not allow advertising the sale of sentient beings and the org should also take the lead in this.

This should be a blanket ban then on all animals and of all ages, they are all sentinent beings.

**Stefan** · 21-Jul-11, 22:27

So why did you fight so hard to have the ban lifted if you don't need to sell through the org after all ?

**Stefan** · 21-Jul-11, 22:30

I was just thinking what I could do with 450 quid.... that would pay for a lot of food for rescue dogs and I could still get a wonderful lab from the rescue place whilst helping so many others to be fed and looked after....
How much of the money you are getting are you putting back into rescue ?

**crustyroll** · 21-Jul-11, 22:40

Originally Posted by Stefan

So why did you fight so hard to have the ban lifted if you don't need to sell through the org after all ?

Why shouldn't I? If everyone else could do it why couldn't I??? Am I meant to just roll over shut my mouth and accept that, sorry, NO. It's just another outlet that someone out there might find the right pup for them.

**crustyroll** · 21-Jul-11, 22:43

Originally Posted by Stefan

I was just thinking what I could do with 450 quid.... that would pay for a lot of food for rescue dogs and I could still get a wonderful lab from the rescue place whilst helping so many others to be fed and looked after....
How much of the money you are getting are you putting back into rescue ?

I could do an awful lot with that money too but again its all down to personal choice. If you want to go down that route, how many people could feed a dog or two by not buying that extra packet of fags one week???? If you get a wonderful lab from a rescue then you are doing well but I know what I want and it's not they type of Lab that tends to end up in rescue. That's my choice and some others as well. Well all the vets bills I pay help with the PDSA, I support the SSPCA and I always take any dog back if need be, so I'm also supporting the rescue's in that they don't have another dog filling it up, okay?

**crustyroll** · 21-Jul-11, 22:46

Originally Posted by Stefan

I was just thinking what I could do with 450 quid.

Just thinking... would you be more happy paying £350 for a puppy rather than £450? Have you stopped to ask why a lot of pups are selling for £350 and I'm charging more???

**Liz** · 21-Jul-11, 23:02

Originally Posted by Stefan

I was just thinking what I could do with 450 quid.... that would pay for a lot of food for rescue dogs and I could still get a wonderful lab from the rescue place whilst helping so many others to be fed and looked after....
How much of the money you are getting are you putting back into rescue ?

Why are you having a go at Crustyroll when she is one of the 'good guys'?

Whilst I applaud anyone who gives a home to a rescue dog ,there is nothing wrong with buying a dog from a reputable breeder.

I have bought my last three dogs as I wanted a Sheltie and there were none in shelters.

I consider it money well spent as my dog is my best friend and the most wonderful companion I could wish for. I don't smoke, drink or go on holiday and the pleasure he has given me was worth the cost!

I also support animal charities including KWK9 which do a wonderful job rehoming stray and unwanted dogs.

**Tilter** · 21-Jul-11, 23:17