Labradors puppies for sale

[_Ju_]

So what does this prove?

It proves the point that popularity of the breed, breed standards imposed by whome ever (kennel club/crufts) and "next door neighbour breeding" ruined Labradors (and German Shepards, boxers, king Charles Cavaleir spaniels, and cocker Spaniels, Dalmatians, and Golden retrievers, doberman, teckel/sausage dogs, and bulldogs, shi'tzu, westies, pequenoire, basenjii, pekinese, and pugs, pomeranians, huskies, smoyedo's and..............).
20/30 years ago we were not putting the same pressure on these breeds that we are now. Not as many people had pure bred dogs as pets. Not as many people were interested in making a litter and it was more difficult for people who did not have both sexes to find someone who had a male dog of the same breed to stud their female and turn out some puppies.
It is bad luck that your dog Bess has so many problems, even when her sires had been tested. But genetics is not linear. Even if her sires did not have certain genetic ilnesses, they could still be assymptomatic carriers of recessive genes that would affect decendants who inherited the defect from both parents. All pure bred dogs are closely related, so that if there is a recessive defective gene, alot of animals from that breed will carry it. If to that you add the "nextdoor neighbour breeding" where a person thinks they are breeding from two unrelated dogs because they live 20 miles apart, but are infact the granchildren of the same breeding pair that populated a whole county, locality or town, then the incidence of these defects become even higher.
You are right about the fact that years (as in decades) ago pure breed dogs were healthier, smarter and had a whole lot less problems. They had not been "bred" to oblivion.
While I appreciate that Labradors do have many genetic health problems, that is a problem of the breed, that these puppies might or might not have. It is, for me, not something that immediately worries me, because they are here now and any future problems that arise (or don't) will just have to be dealt with. What I don't appreciate is that the one thing that has an immediate impact on these puppies lives, that is so easily remedied is brushed to the side as inconsequencial. The owners of these animals will have a harder time of training and educating their puppies for the sake of two extra weeks with their mother and siblings.

[luke83]

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1999/11/section/8

Breeding and Sale of Dogs (Welfare) Act 1999

(1)The keeper of a licensed breeding establishment is guilty of an offence if—

(c)he sells a dog which is less than eight weeks old



[I]I know that you are not a licensed breeder but if it is illegal for them???

[Sarah]

Maybe if the 'breeder' argues for 2 weeks longer the puppies can stick around

This is exactly the reason why breeders need to be regulated...and a law be made the same for unlicensed breeders that puppies must stay until 8 weeks.

[crustyroll]

Maybe if the 'breeder' argues for 2 weeks longer the puppies can stick around

The 'breeder' (anyone that has a litter from their bitch is technically a breeder as they have BRED from them...lol) doesn't wan't to argue anymore and doesn't listen anyway, so any battle with them is lost, but hopefully not the war when it comes to future breeders. I have let puppies go before 8 weeks but it's only been by a matter of a day or two at the very most. It's really easy to see within the litter and how they mix with the other dogs when they are 'definately' ready to go to their new homes - it's like a war zone..lol

[Sarah]

It's very sad. I agree with you, a day or two may not make much difference, especially if they are going to experienced owners. But 2 weeks is just too long in my opinion, and I do feel sorry for these puppies.

[grumpy1]

not too sure what is going here, but to change the subject,
1. do you have any puppies left
2. how much are they...

excuse my ignorance but ive not seen any information recently which answers either of these questions and i may potentially be interested....

[*flash*]

Get a grip those off you that only came on this post to give wrightchatterbox a hard time,you clearly have no intention's off buying any off her puppies so really your nose has no need to be in here!
As for the bitching in colours...what difference does it make to you??? golden/yellow??does it really matter?? this colour has been made due to there being no colour jean so really it is blank...no??
Also for all the hip score's and eye test's e.t.c, you can have all the test's in the world done on the bitch and sire......this does NOT guarantee puppies that will have no health problem's in future......also it is not a must to have done.....only need to be done if you want to be a kc accredited breeder. Aslong as when the 'breeder' re-homes the puppy they make sure the new owner is aware off what test's the bitch/sire have and have not had there is NOTHING the new owner can do if there puppy was to have any problem's.
I myself bought a labrador a few year's back....no papers or ped for £125...she is the most wonderfull family pet in the world and i couldn't care less she has no papers.
Maybe for those off you's who like having this good old bitching match should post your own thread to the discussions page and carry on moaning there, if this was my post im damn sure i would be reporting all who have been 's to the head off the org as your input is not needed, just a load off bitching!!

Good bye!

[corkey]

Grumpy1

Was in to visit these lovely pup's today....there is 3 dog's left 2 X black and 1 X golden
As for price that is not for me to say as I got the price when I contacted Charlie to view them, his contact number's are on the 1st post in the thread.

Hope this help's.

[grumpy1]

thanks corkey
think ill give him a bell...

[crustyroll]

I shake my head in defeat as nobody has really listened to whats been said here...

I have no intention at all of buying one of their puppies but it matters to me as I want to keep the breed as it is and not ruin them any further than they have been already.

The colour does matter, get your spelling right before you even start.

Tests do not guarantee perfect results or health, NO TESTS definately guarantee that there will be problems - go phone Tony Wall in Inverness and he will tell you how many Labradors he's seen with bad eye problems or going blind - it matters to the dog and the person who owns it then doesn't it????

I had a Labrador many years ago, no papers, fantastic girl but she has many years of superb breeding behind her as I found out from the Kennel Club so I reckon that helped make her what she was.

The fact that Labradors are still being sold without anyone knowing of the problems they can have just proves that if folk like us didn't stick our big bloody noses in, then NOTHING WOULD CHANGE!!

The final goodbye definately proves to us all on here that you aren't prepared to listen to anyone else but yourself and appear to know even less than others involved in this thread.

I hope that the new owners of these pups just give them a happy life and look after them. I've given up as it's just wasting my time and its more valuable to me and my dogs than they are.

[Hogfather]

his hip score was 7 in total ....

Cracking score on the dad there Oakley

PS labrador colour genetics is really quite interesting (Nerd )

[caithgal]

Get a grip those off you that only came on this post to give wrightchatterbox a hard time,you clearly have no intention's off buying any off her puppies so really your nose has no need to be in here!
As for the bitching in colours...what difference does it make to you??? golden/yellow??does it really matter?? this colour has been made due to there being no colour jean so really it is blank...no??
Also for all the hip score's and eye test's e.t.c, you can have all the test's in the world done on the bitch and sire......this does NOT guarantee puppies that will have no health problem's in future......also it is not a must to have done.....only need to be done if you want to be a kc accredited breeder. Aslong as when the 'breeder' re-homes the puppy they make sure the new owner is aware off what test's the bitch/sire have and have not had there is NOTHING the new owner can do if there puppy was to have any problem's.
I myself bought a labrador a few year's back....no papers or ped for £125...she is the most wonderfull family pet in the world and i couldn't care less she has no papers.
Maybe for those off you's who like having this good old bitching match should post your own thread to the discussions page and carry on moaning there, if this was my post im damn sure i would be reporting all who have been 's to the head off the org as your input is not needed, just a load off bitching!!

Good bye!

I think you had better be very careful what you say!

[crustyroll]

Oh, oh, oh and before I forget, breaking news....

I will be breeding my bitch later in the year so I'll expect every one of you that thinks differently to strip me to the bone and set me on fire when it's my turn.......

[buggyracer]

I assume his hip scores are good then?

I wonder if it's a work/show split with the difference in attitude to testing? Eg show lab breeders would expect good hip scores, good elbow scores, clear eye tests (I know PRA and MRD are tested for in labs, there are probably others that I don't know about!). Whereas a working breeder might say, "I know this dog is fit because I've watched him working for x years"?

My favourite breeds (HPR) do not yet have much of a work/show split, so both testing and working are considered important.

Agree with socialisation aspect of early rehoming - wouldn't personally want to take on a pup before 7 weeks even though I have other dogs here. A pup may be physically ready to leave his mum by 6 weeks, but he still has a lot to learn from her and his sibs about 'being a dog'.

PS Crustyroll - yellow/golden ARRRGGHHHH!!!!!! I agree - a pet ranty rant of mine

Hogfather what breed of HPR do you own?

[oakley2007]

well crustyroll if it has wasted your time , i hope you learn from it and stop putting your nose in. think of the owner of the bitch and time you have wasted of their and not being so selfish and only thinking of yourself

and after all that a sales pitch . what a cheek , but then the bills for your dogs have to be paid for . its only a shame you have to do this by breeding

dont throw stones in glass houses comes to mind

there are still pups avaible and go back to first message to get contact number.

my little one is such a cracker full of life and has a ball at my house .

so glad i bred from him to get such a wonderful pup a big thank you to the owner of the bitch.

p.s glad your not in it for the money and dont have to worry like others about paying the bills with proceeds, maybe in a few years time we could let nature take its course again

[egregory]

OMG t did'nt even advertise my baby Chocolote labs till they had 2 vet checks and all injections paid for, and I know they have gone 2 lovely owners, they also know they can return any one of my babies at any time xx

[crustyroll]

there are still pups avaible and go back to first message to get contact number.

After all that, a sales pitch, what a cheek!!!!!

Sorry, it way too tempting..lol

[Sarah]

What ever happened to having a waiting list of over 10 people before breeding? These pups should have had homed lined up before the bitch was even mated. That is how to breed correctly.

Then this thread wouldn't have had to be.

[Carole]

What ever happened to having a waiting list of over 10 people before breeding? These pups should have had homed lined up before the bitch was even mated. That is how to breed correctly.

Sorry Sarah, I would never support indiscriminate breeding but having a waiting list of over 10 people seems a bit extreme.

[Sarah]

For a littler of Labradors, I wouldn't have anything less than 10 personally. Depends on the breed of course, but Labradors can have up to and over 10 quite frequently.