Labradors puppies for sale

[dbooth82]

hope u find lovely family homes! good luck,am sure ur puppies are very beautiful! ppl have such negative comments on this,never heed them wrightchatterbox!

[crustyroll]

All puppies have been eating solid food for the last 12 days - now at the stage of biting mum so mum is getting a little grouchy! Hence the puppies are now ready to rehome!Eating solids for 12 days and biting mum is not a valid reason to justify that they are ready to go to their new homes. I would expect at least 3 weeks of eating solids and for mum to tell them off when they are pressuring her, this is her job and how as pups they learn dog manners. do not assume that everyone else is ignorant. [/COLOR]I don't assume everyone else is ignorant, but please if you are going to breed Labradors at least get the colour right!!!!
Thanks [/QUOTE]

[crustyroll]

Dbooth82 - why do you think they are all negative? If that was the case then you shouldn't have the dog that you do, should you???

And before you jump in and take that the wrong way, some of the nicest dogs I have met are staffies and I'm not so blinkered as to believe that all dangerous dogs are 'dangerous dogs'.

I am an open minded person but when it comes to Labradors I will do my utmost to keep the breed as it is and advise others if needed. Wrightchatterbox must feel that my advice is not aimed to help anyone but to make digs, okay some are, ie the colour statement but I'm taking advice from breeders that have been in the game at lot longer than you have and I'll fight to keep it as it's meant to be to protect the breed as it should be.

[wrightchatterbox]

Ok well each to their own opinion then. I'm afraid that your version of a heated discussion is no more than a bitching session about people you have never met and know nothing about. It is just as well this org. is anonymous eh? Maybe you should get something more interesting in your life than the org. heated discussions.

[wrightchatterbox]

dbooth82
many thanks and yes so far the ppl that have shown interest have been lovely genuine ppl. And the homes that 3 of my puppies have now gone to are fantastic. I am amazed at all these comments!
If the Kc register puts down Golden Labrador retrievers then surely that is an appropriate name for the breeders too????

[Allsorts]

Beat you are missing the wee puppies now they are starting to go to their forever homes.

[crustyroll]

If the Kc register puts down Golden Labrador retrievers then surely that is an appropriate name for the breeders too????

Go and ask Audrey at the SSPCA and she will tell you that it's GOLDEN RETRIEVER (part of the retriever family) and a YELLOW LABRABOR RETRIEVER (part of the retriever family) as she has or did have a Golden Retriever and I would think she would know the difference.

Its' just the same as the USA where they are trying to sell SILVER Labradors, its rubbish and a con for money. As I don't breed for money and haven't had a litter since last year they may have changed it without my knowing and added the 'golden' colour under the Labrador registration process but I wouldn't have thought so considering its been known for years about the colours.

Its a good thing I'm anonoymous aint it??? Cos then you'd realise that I aint bitching and making valid points that no one else will say cos they don't know enough about the breed. Go and ask around about me... no one else seems to have a problem with me, or thinking that I have nothing better to do than waste my time on the org or bitch at others.... you've really missed the whole point of my posts.

BTW you didn't say if the bitch was hipscored, is she? I'd just like to know out of curiousity..

[ShelleyCowie]

Crustyroll has not seen anything negative or heated that i can read through this thread. Her information is solid, her passion is too for this breed of dog!

Personally (and i mean personally) i believe pups should be with mum until they are about 8-9 weeks. But yet again to stress, thats my opinion.

Also "wrightchatterbox" maybe some more information on posting the thread might have helped? Not aimed at you (again stress that) but some "pups for sale" threads have very little information on then. Example (made up by me) "Poodle for sale. 1 bitch. £250."

Do you see where im coming from? If posts are vague some people are put off, if you had mentioned in the original post about hip scores etc etc then it may have helped.

I dunno....anyway. Coat....door

[Liz]

Crustyroll has not seen anything negative or heated that i can read through this thread. Her information is solid, her passion is too for this breed of dog!

Personally (and i mean personally) i believe pups should be with mum until they are about 8-9 weeks. But yet again to stress, thats my opinion.

Also "wrightchatterbox" maybe some more information on posting the thread might have helped? Not aimed at you (again stress that) but some "pups for sale" threads have very little information on then. Example (made up by me) "Poodle for sale. 1 bitch. £250."

Do you see where im coming from? If posts are vague some people are put off, if you had mentioned in the original post about hip scores etc etc then it may have helped.

I dunno....anyway. Coat....door

Ha ha Shelley. Don't put your coat on as you make a lot of sense and agree with every word you say. I know that Crustyroll knows exactly what she is talking about and she is passionate about the breed. Like you I can't see where she has been anything but polite.

I know there are many reputable breeders whom I have the utmost respect for but there are far too many people just breeding to make money and it can be difficult to differentiate between the two from a post on a forum. Especially if we are not given enough information as you rightly say Shelley.

BTW I am not saying the OP is one of the 'bad' breeders!!

[crustyroll]

To clear up all confusion on the subject this has just been copied and pasted from the KC site

Acceptable Colours for Retriever (Labrador) Registrations

Black
Chocolate
Liver
Yellow
Any colour not recognised by the Kennel Club



The last line I really don't understand as if you read the KC Breed Standard it states:-

Colour


Wholly black, yellow or liver/chocolate. Yellows range from light cream to red fox. Small white spot on chest permissible.



So in essence they will register any dog of a different colour to what's the stated breed standard and still allow it to be called a Labrador?

[ShelleyCowie]

Ha ha Shelley. Don't put your coat on as you make a lot of sense and agree with every word you say. I know that Crustyroll knows exactly what she is talking about and she is passionate about the breed. Like you I can't see where she has been anything but polite.

I know there are many reputable breeders whom I have the utmost respect for but there are far too many people just breeding to make money and it can be difficult to differentiate between the two from a post on a forum. Especially if we are not given enough information as you rightly say Shelley.

BTW I am not saying the OP is one of the 'bad' breeders!!

Thanks Liz, glad i made sense to someone

Personally, i think that since puppy/dog sales ads have been allowed on here there are so many vague ad's. I think that there should be a rule of specific information given to allow them to sell them on here. NOT aimed at OP, you actually gave more information than 90% of the ads on here.

If i was looking for a puppy i would like to know if mum and dad can be seen, vet checks up to date for mum and dad, worming, any previous health issues, breed, colours of pups, price, KC registered etc etc....

Then again as soon as i look in a puppys eyes im swooned! Lol!

[wrightchatterbox]

As I don't breed for money .....BTW you didn't say if the bitch was hipscored, is she? I'd just like to know out of curiousity..[/QUOTE]
Our Mollie is 18 months old and will be hip scored by the local vets a month after all puppies are rehomed! really not an issue as Im sure you are already aware by now that you may be the proud new owner of her mother and father??????
If I am right to who you actually are then I do believe that you take payment for your breeding too!

I feel that many orgers may not know the difference between friendly curiousity and malicous inuendos!
I am now tiring of this charade and will not be placing any more comments on this post. But please feel free to carry on bitching without me.

[crustyroll]

18 months old

That just makes it worse....

really not an issue as Im sure you are already aware by now that you may be the proud new owner of her mother and father?????? If I am right to who you actually are then I do believe that you take payment for your breeding too!

If you are going to say something about me or my dogs then be TOTALLY CLEAR AND SPECIFIC because as far as I'm aware none of my dogs have been used for breeding without me knowing and your post makes no sense at all!!!!!

Doh, doh, doh..... are you so stupid minded to not understand that when you have a STUD DOG you do take payment for breeding services - This payment goes towards keeping his health tests up to date, ie vet checks, eye tests and towards future breeding that I want for myself. Money doesn't come out of thin air and with todays costs you cant breed dogs RESPONSIBLY on just a wage coming into the house.

Are you not posting anymore because you realise you've shot yourself in the foot???

[wrightchatterbox]

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I know there are many reputable breeders whom I have the utmost respect for but there are far too many people just breeding to make money


BTW I or my husband have never described ourselves as breeders (of any sort) as previously stated we mated our black labrador Mollie in order to get a puppy ourselves! Unfortunately much as We would love to we can not keep them all therefore I advertised to find new homes! which I believe is the normal thing to do.
And as previously stated already we are making less money than all the known breeders of 'labradors'. This money will cover KC registering, worming/flea treatment costs that have already been met by my husband and myself ! I sincerely hope this brings an end to this as I am tiring of the 'org. chatter' quickly. Please move on to your next victim

[oakley2007]

if you cant keep a dog on the wage you bring in the house then what was the point of buying one . i am the owner of the sire used to mate with wrightchatterbox's bitch and it was never about getting money to pay for his tests , ie his hip scores as i did this out of my own pocket to make sure that when i wanted to get a pup off of him that the chance of health risks to future pups was at a minumum . i think it would be unresonable to think crustyroll that you have to breed from them to cover health costs and all the rest as you should have thought about the cost of them before you got them done.

i let my sire mate because myself and the owner of the bitch both use our dogs for hunting and the sire being of 5 year old before i let him mate even though he got his hip scored at 2 year old shows the money was not the issue here .

i feel you are giving the bitches owners a hard time on this site and would be grateful if you could keep your nose out of something that does not concern yourself , as you have a neck concidering stating that you pay for vet bills out of your own breeding as you can not met the costs out of your own income . get a better job or stop getting tests done on your dogs and dont make assumpations as they are the mother of all fu** ups

thanks for your time reading this and i will not be replying to this again, now i have had my say on this matter

PS i would be happy to use my sire for future breeding if it helps furfill someone's dream for getting a pup out of their own bitch and keeping the generations of their own ongoing

[Hogfather]

ie his hip scores as i did this out of my own pocket to make sure that when i wanted to get a pup off of him that the chance of health risks to future pups was at a minumum

I assume his hip scores are good then?

I wonder if it's a work/show split with the difference in attitude to testing? Eg show lab breeders would expect good hip scores, good elbow scores, clear eye tests (I know PRA and MRD are tested for in labs, there are probably others that I don't know about!). Whereas a working breeder might say, "I know this dog is fit because I've watched him working for x years"?

My favourite breeds (HPR) do not yet have much of a work/show split, so both testing and working are considered important.

Agree with socialisation aspect of early rehoming - wouldn't personally want to take on a pup before 7 weeks even though I have other dogs here. A pup may be physically ready to leave his mum by 6 weeks, but he still has a lot to learn from her and his sibs about 'being a dog'.

PS Crustyroll - yellow/golden ARRRGGHHHH!!!!!! I agree - a pet ranty rant of mine

[oakley2007]

his hip score was 7 in total which at the time the vet told me , that was great as anything below 16 was good to breed from . it is after all the hips that have a bad habit of going bad on labs . it should not matter working dog or show about getting the test . that is a choice for the owner of the dog

i do believe people should be able to get on in life their own way without jugdemental people butting in.

do gooders get nowhere in life and should care about their own lifes before others

[mrsC2011]

OMG all this bitchin back and forth was all started because wrightchatterbox put an add for puppies come on people get a grip and leave this person alone

[labsrus]

As an ex Labrador breeder I would like to point out that regardless if a dog is from show or working lines the health tests should be done if you are a conscientious breeder with the health of any puppies bred as a top priority. Not so much a choice for the breeder as a neccessity in my opinion.

When my (health tested) dog was used at stud I only accepted bitches who had a suitable hip score and a current clear eye certificate. Sure I could have easily taken a stud fee from untested bitches as I was asked many times but I would have had a bad conscience if I had done so.

My dog having good test results bred to a bitch with bad hips or eyes could easily have produced puppies with problems, it is rather defeating the purpose if only one is tested and hips done as in the OP's case after breeding is kind of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

What will she do if the puppy owners come back complaing of their pup needing new hips or going blind? In this day and age she maybe should be worried about being sued?

Breeding responsibly is not a profitable hobby and you need money behind you before you even start. I added up over 7 years how much it had cost me to breed and take care of my dogs, I got to MINUS £6000.00 and stopped counting as it was too scary!

I must admit I am shocked at anyone letting puppies go so young, I know it is a lot of work and costs a lot in feeding but if you cant be bothered to do it right dont breed in the first place. Also breeding a Lab as young as 18 months, what was the rush? could they not have waited till the recommended age of 2 years or the third season? Labs have a lot of maturing to do both physically and mentally at that age.

Not wanting to cause agro here but just want people to really think before breeding or buying puppies. You will likely pay the same for untested ( or one parent only) pups as fully tested so why not do your research and get more for your money and at the same time help erradicate puppy farmers and unexperienced back yard breeders.

[rhoda]

Handsome is as handsome does. Many years ago I bought a black labrador bitch puppy for my son for £50. She had no papers as the person who bred her could not be sure if her father was a black labrador or a golden retreiver but as all the pups were black we assumed that the father was the black labrador. Being as she was from working dogs she turned in to the most fantastic gundog and best friend to my son who was 10 years old when he got her. My neighbour had a male black labrador, again no papers or scores but a working dog, and so as he wanted to have a pup after his dog and I wanted a successor to mine we decided to breed from them. The result was six perfect puppies three dogs and three bitches. He got his dog and I got my bitch, the other four puppies all went to working homes and were very successful. The pup I kept was her mothers companion for 5 years before we lost the old girl and as Pinkie was now lost without mum we decided to get another pup. The only pups local were KC reg , the parents had passed all their tests and we purchased a bitch for £350. Maybe we were unlucky this time but if some thing can go wrong with Bess then it does. Bad hips, not the best of brains and certainly no gun dog. So what does this prove?