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    Does any one have any connections to the families Sutherland and Campbell which I am researching? I am descended from Christina and James Campbell. Their daughter Williamina was my great grandmother.
    (Wilhelmina in Census 1861)

    Christina's 1st Marriage
    CHRISTINA SUTHERLAND
    Father HECTOR
    Spouse JAMES CAMPBELL
    Marriage 28 FEB 1851 Wick, Caithness, Scotland

    Census 1851
    Address Bank Row Wick

    SUTHERLAND Hector Head M M 59 Spirit Dealer Caithness - Latheron
    SUTHERLAND Margaret Wife M F 63 Caithness - Latheron
    SUTHERLAND Alexander Son U M 19 Fisherman Caithness - Wick
    SUTHERLAND Margaret Dau U F 15 House Servant Caithness - Wick

    NEXT HOUSEHOLD
    Hector's daughter Christina

    Address: Bank Row Wick
    CAMPBELL James Head M M 35 Fisherman Caithness - Wick
    CAMPBELL Christina Wife M F 24 -Caithness - Wick

    Christina's 2nd marriage
    ALEXANDER MANSON
    Father WILLIAM MANSON Mother CHRISTINA SINCLAIR

    CHRISTINA SUTHERLAND
    Father HECTOR SUTHERLAND Mother MARGARET REID
    Spouse CHRISTINA SUTHERLAND
    Marriage22 FEB 1861 Pulteneytown, Wick, Caithness, Scotland
    Husband Age at Marriage 19
    Wife Age at Marriage: 34

    1861
    Thuster Wick Caithness
    Alexander Manson H M 20 Fisherman and Crofter Caithness Wick
    Christina Manson W M 34 Caithness Wick
    Alexander Campbell stepson 9 Scholar Caithness Wick
    Jane Campbell step dau 7 Caithness Wick
    Isabella Campbell step dau 6 Caithness Wick
    Margaret Campbell step dau 5 Caithness Wick
    Wilhelmina Campbell step dau 3 Caithness Wick
    James Campbell stepson 1 Caithness Wick

    Sylvia

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    I am a great grandson of Alexander Sutherland, and great great grandson of Hector Sutherland and Margaret Reid. Alexander was born in Wick on 20th November 1832, and married Mary Flett (from Findochty in Banff) in Wick on 1st November 1855.

    I have details of the births of a number of the descendants of Alexander Sutherland. I have the full ancestry of Mary Flett which is available on a number of the Fletts of Findochty websites.

    David Sutherland

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    David
    Did Mary Flett have a sister Jane Flett b c 1836 Banff who married 1854 in Wick to George Sutherland b c1826.

    In my tree I show the family of Hector Sutherland m1817 to Margaret Reid
    but I am also related to the Hector Sutherland m1820 Margaret Wares line. These two families around same time.
    I need to find George's parents. Could well be they all relate. The name Hector is certainly recurrent with George's 1st son being a Hector.
    Tricia

    UPDATE to above.
    George S is indeed brother of Alexander S - from George death cert 5 Feb1899 son aged 77 of Hectors S & Margaret Reid. 17 Sinclair Terr Wick. retired Inn Keeper.

    Do you have the Sutherlands and Reids any further back. I imagine both Hetcors above may prove to relate - perhaps cousins?? I have Hector 1799-1881 (m to M Wares) as son of Alex S & Margery Reid in Latheron Parish.
    Last edited by Tricia; 18-Sep-09 at 17:16.

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    Hi Tricia
    Hector Sutherland and Margaret Reid where my GGG GParents.
    I have John Sutherland and Catherine Miller as his parents
    Hector Sutherland
    Birth:###1795######, Caithness, Scotland
    Father:###John Sutherland
    Mother:###Catherine Miller
    ------------------------------
    HECTOR SUTHERLAND
    Christening:###15 MAR 1796######Latheron, Caithness, Scotland
    ###Father:###JOHN SUTHERLAND
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Their Marriage
    Husband John Sutherland
    Marriage:### About 1794###, , Scotland
    Wife Catherine Miller Birth:###1777###
    Marriage: About 1794###, , Scotland

    Marriage:###02 JUL 1795######Latheron, Caithness, Scotland
    JOHN SUTHERLAND
    Spouse:###KATH. MILLER
    ----------------------------------
    1851
    Piece: SCT1851/38 Place: Latheron -Caithness Enumeration District: 9
    Civil Parish: Latheron Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Latheron
    Folio: 0 Page: 27 Schedule: 102
    Address: Forse Latheron Caithness
    Henry Forbes 28 Head Fisherman Caithness Latheron
    Catherine Forbes 30 Wife (daug of Catherine) Latheron
    James Forbes 2 son Caithness Latheron
    John Forbes 1 son Caithness Latheron
    Jane Forbes 1 Mo dau Caithness Latheron
    Catherine Sutherland 80 Wid mother in law Fishermans wife Caithness Wick
    George Sutherland 23 nephew Shoemaker Caithness Wick (Hectors son)
    Betty Oman 17 house Servant Caithness Latheron
    ED:9 Page:27 Household schedule number:102 Line:1 Roll:CSSCT1851_8
    ================================================== =========================

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    Hi David
    I am just starting out researching my family tree and have noticed that you are also a ggg grandchild of Hector Sutherland and Margaret Reid. I have noticed that you have stated that you have the full ancestry of Mary Flett. Jane Flett (cannot find anywhere her birth details) married to George Sutherland on 17 Mar 1854 and died 31 Oct 1890 are also my gg grandparents. I live in Australia and come from David Leith (g grandfather) who was born 19 Feb 1852 in Wick. Can I ask if you have any old photographs or anyone for that matter, of the Leiths, Sutherlands or Fletts from the Pultenaytown area of Wick, as I have nothing at all. Any information that you could provide me would be very much appreciated David. I look forward to your response with interest.
    Kind regards
    Aussie Di

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post

    1861
    Thuster Wick Caithness
    Alexander Manson H M 20 Fisherman and Crofter Caithness Wick
    Christina Manson W M 34 Caithness Wick
    Alexander Campbell stepson 9 Scholar Caithness Wick
    Jane Campbell step dau 7 Caithness Wick
    Isabella Campbell step dau 6 Caithness Wick
    Margaret Campbell step dau 5 Caithness Wick
    Wilhelmina Campbell step dau 3 Caithness Wick
    James Campbell stepson 1 Caithness Wick

    Sylvia

    Yes, I connect to Jane Campbell, through her marriage to Alexander Manson

    Alexander Manson d 31st Dec 1942 aged 85 [ b circa 1857 ]
    Wife Jane Campbell d 16th Nov 1912 aged 57 [ b c 1855 ]
    Charles C Manson ( b 1890 ) killed France 15th June 1915
    Alexander Manson d of wounds in France 17th Feb 1917
    [ gravestone to all 4 in Wick Old, although sons died in France ]

    Catherine Waters m (1) David Flett 1902 [ Catherine Flett ( Waters ) b 1861, d1932 ]
    Alexander Manson was born July 1878 at Wick,
    On 13 Jun 1912 he married Catherine Waters Nicolson (dau of Marcus Nicolson & Catherine Waters).
    They had 2 daus: Kathleen Manson ( b 23 Nov 1913 Wick) and Jane Campbell Manson ( b 5 Sep 1915 Wick ).

    I.E.
    1 Caroline Gordon m Donald Nicolson
    2. Marcus Nicolson b 1865
    3. Catherine Waters b 1889 illegit dau of Marcus Nicolson and Catherine Waters ( b 1862 )
    Catherine Waters m (1) David Flett 1902 [ Catherine Flett ( Waters ) b 1861, d1932 ]
    Catherine Waters Nicolson m (2) Alexander Manson 1912 [ the same lady ]
    4. Kathleen Manson ( b 1913 )
    4 Jane Campbell Manson ( b 1915 )

    Why are all the children in the census described as "step..." ?
    What happened to David Flett ?

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    Why are all the children in the census described as "step...” ?


    Because they were the step children of Alexander Manson. Christina’s first husband James Campbell was their father.
    Are you connected to Jane Campbell who was the daughter of Christina and James Campbell?
    Jane’s sister Williamina Campbell was my great grandmother, I have not been able to trace any of her siblings before so I hope that yours is the correct Jane Campbell and you can give me some details about her.
    You mention Alexander Manson d 31st Dec 1942 aged 85 [ b circa 1857 ] was he related to Alexander Manson who was Christina Sutherland's 2nd husband
    Best wishes Sylvia


    Christina's 2nd marriage
    ALEXANDER MANSON
    Father WILLIAM MANSON Mother CHRISTINA SINCLAIR
    CHRISTINA SUTHERLAND
    Father HECTOR SUTHERLAND Mother MARGARET REID
    Spouse CHRISTINA SUTHERLAND
    Marriage 22 FEB 1861 Pulteneytown, Wick, Caithness, Scotland
    Husband Age at Marriage 19
    Wife Age at Marriage: 34

    1861
    Thuster Wick Caithness
    Alexander Manson H M 20 Fisherman and Crofter Caithness Wick
    Christina Manson W M 34 Caithness Wick
    Alexander Campbell stepson 9 Scholar Caithness Wick
    Jane Campbell step dau 7 Caithness Wick
    Isabella Campbell step dau 6 Caithness Wick
    Margaret Campbell step dau 5 Caithness Wick
    Wilhelmina Campbell step dau 3 Caithness Wick
    James Campbell stepson 1 Caithness Wick

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    Sorry, but just stumbled over this again
    The answer is yes, Jane was my late wife's great-grandmother,

    Starting further back, Donald Campbell ( a cooper in Wick ) m Margaret Miller
    And John Steven ( a farmer in Olrig ) m Jean Mckay
    Their children married in 1855 - Alexander Campbell, a cooper, and Barbara Steven/Stephen, a house servant, both of Wick
    they had a dau, Jane Campbell, a domestic servant in Wick
    she married in Thurso, in January 1879, Alexander Manson, a ropemaker from Wick, the son of John Manson and ( looks like ) Georgina Mullikin
    then their son Alexander b 1878, married in 1912, Catherine Waters Nicolson b 1889 (illegitimate dau of Marcus Nicolson & Catherine Waters).
    this was Catherine Waters Nicolson 2nd marriage ( first had been to David Flett )
    They had 2 daus: Kathleen Manson ( b 23 Nov 1913 Wick) and Jane Campbell Manson ( b 5 Sep 1915 Wick ).
    Kathleen m Angus Munro from Halkirk
    They had 5 children, inc my late wife Cathleen.

    Confirmation of the middle bit on http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...GRid=103967426 - the marriage w cut short by WW1
    I have marriage certs for the earlier pairs

    I didn't and don't know about the 1861 bunch, I will have to look into them - Jane's marriage cert is not easy to read, but I don't think there is any suggestion of being a stepchild.

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    Hi Sylvia, putting your bits into what I have gives - ( but I can't connect them together )

    Hector Sutherland and Margaret ( Reid ) had a dau Christina
    1841 at Sarclet, Wick
    Hector Sutherland 45 Fisher
    Margt 48 Wife
    Cathrine 19
    James 17 Fisherman
    Christian 16
    Donald 10
    Alexander 9
    Hector 7
    Margaret 5
    Alex Campbell and Elizabeth had a son James
    1841 at Ragra, Wick
    Alexr Campbell 60 Farmer
    Elizabeth (Wife) 45
    James 20
    John 14
    Elizabet 12
    Mary 10
    Jannet 8
    William 6
    Best match for William Manson is son of George Manson and Elspet Matheson
    And in 1841, the Mansons were at Loch Shell, jusr N of Wick
    William Manson 38 Agricultural Labourer Caithness He could be b 1802, son of George
    Christiana Manson 30 Caithness
    Elizabeth Manson 5 Caithness
    Alexander Ross 45 Gardiner Outside Census County (1841)
    Elizabeth Ross 20 Agricultural Labourer Outside Census County (1841)
    Finlay Ross 15 Joiner Apprentice Caithness
    In 1851 Christina Sutherland m James Campbell in Wick
    In 1851, Bank Row, Wick
    Hector Sutherland Head 59 Spirit Dealer b Latheron
    Margaret Wife 63 Latheron
    Alexander Son 19 Fisherman Wick
    Margaret Dau 15 House Servant Wick b 1835
    Hector's daughter Christina Campbell is next door in Bank Row, Wick
    James Campbell Head 35 Fisherman Wick
    Christina Wife 24 Wick
    1851, Thuster, Wick ( all Mansons )
    William Manson Head 49 Agricultural Labourer Canisbay
    Chirsty Wife 39 Wick
    Betsy Dau 15 Wick
    Jean Dau 12 Wick
    Alexander Son 7 Wick
    George Son 4 Wick
    John Son 5m Wick
    In 1859 a William Manson d aged 50 in Thurso
    In 1861, Christina age 34 married again, in Pulteneytown, Wick, Alexander Manson age 19, son of William Manson and Christina Sinclair
    1861, Thuster, Wick
    William Manson Head 58 Agricultural Laborer & Crofter Canisbay
    Chirstina Wife 48 Wick
    Jane Dau 21 Agricultural Labourer Wick
    George Son 15 Wick
    John Son 10 Scholar Wick
    James Son 7 Scholar Wick
    1861, Thuster, Wick, 4 doors along
    Alexander Manson 20 Fisherman and Crofter Wick
    Christina Manson 34 Wick
    Alexander Campbell stepson 9 Scholar Wick
    Jane Campbell step dau 7 Wick
    Isabella Campbell step dau 6 Wick
    Margaret Campbell step dau 5 Wick
    Wilhelmina Campbell step dau 3 Wick
    James Campbell stepson 1 Wick

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    Re Jane Campbell
    The Jane Campbell that I have was b app 1856
    She m Alexander Manson in 1879, and d 1912
    Alexander remarried, had two daughters, but then died in France in WW1

    The Mansons in Wick in 1891 were ( all b Wick )

    father Alex Manson b 1853/58
    mother Jane Campbell b 1856/57

    plus children
    Alex Manson b 1879
    John b 1880
    Donald b 1884
    George b 1886
    Charles b 1890

    Alexander Manson b 1879 from Caithness, may have trained
    as a teacher, but left Scotland, and went to Dublin and worked in the fire service. He then joined the Royal Dublin Fusiliers in 1899 as a regular. He married in 1912 a Caithness girl Catherine Waters Nicolson, the illegitimate dau of Marcus Nicolson and Catherine Waters.
    Alexander died in WW1, and is buried at Etaples.

    Charles also died in WW1

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    Hi Pra(Re Jane Campbell
    The Jane Campbell that I have was b app 1856
    She m Alexander Manson in 1879, and d 1912
    Alexander remarried, had two daughters, but then died in France in WW1)

    Do you have any confirmation about the parents of the Jane Campbell that you have?

    Could they possibly be James Campbell and Christina Sutherland.


    I have a Jane Campbell living with Christina’s brother 1871 (I am assuming that it is his sisters daughter)
    To Verify Living with Christina’s brother Alexander?
    Census 1871 Caithness Pulteney Town Wick
    22 Wellington Street No 25
    SUTHERLAND Alexander Head 40 Fisherman Caithness - Wick
    SUTHERLAND Mary Wife 37 Fishcurer's Wife Banffshire - Findocherty
    SUTHERLAND Alexander. Son 14 Scholar Caithness - Wick
    SUTHERLAND Hecter Son 13 Scholar Caithness - Wick
    SUTHERLAND Margaret Dau 11 Scholar Caithness - Wick
    SUTHERLAND Simon Son 8 Scholar Caithness - Wick
    SUTHERLAND Daniel Son 6 Scholar Caithness - Wick
    SUTHERLAND David Son 4 Caithness - Wick
    SUTHERLAND Mary Dau 4 Mo Caithness - Wick
    CAMPBELL Jane Servant 20 Caithness - Wick



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    Yes, from Jane Campbell's marriage cert -
    in 1879 on seventh January in Thurso, Alex Manson 21 Brown Place Pultneytown ropemaker ( and then a word in brackets I can't make out, it might be journeyman ) m Jane Campbell 21 Kirk Lane Wick domestic servant
    Some of the words are difficult to make out
    Anyway Jane was dau of Alexander Campbell and Barbara m.s. Stephen
    Alex was son of John Manson and Georgina Mullikin
    To be honest, Alex looks like Tho, but scotlandspeople in the search think Alex

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    Hi Pra,The stepchildren including Jane Campbell in 1861 Census are not the family you are looking for. Her parents were James Campbell and Christina Sutherland she was NOT dau of Alexander Campbell and Barbara m.s. Stephen proved by the marriage certificate that you have.
    Best Wishes
    Sylvia

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    Oops, back to the drawing board
    Thanks

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    Hi Sylvia, hope this is not too confusing
    Replying to your bit about Alexander Manson remarrying, it was Alexander's SON, also Alexander, who married ( Catherine Waters ) in 1912.
    Catherine was born 1889 illegitimately to Catherine Waters b 1862, and the father was Marcus Nicolson b1865
    This was Catherine's 2nd marriage of three.
    First was to David Flett
    Second to Alexander Manson
    Third was to John Sutherland

    1879 Alex Manson age 21 of Brown Place Pultneytown ropemaker m Jane Campbell age 21 of Kirk Lane Wick domestic servant
    Alex was son of John Manson, roper, deceased, and Georgina Mullikin
    Jane was dau of Alexander Campbell, roper, and Barbara m.s. Stephen

    1881 3 Kinnaird St, Pultenaytown, Wick
    Alexander Manson Head 23 Rope Spinner & Sail Maker Wick [ = b 1858 ]
    Jane Wife 25 Wick [ = b 1856 ]
    Alexander Son 2 Wick [ = b 1879 ]
    John Son 1 Wick
    Georgina Mother 49 Formerly Domestic Servant

    Georgina Mullikin b 1828 Wick was the widow of John Manson b 1839, they had m in Pulteneytown Wick 1855,

    Their son
    Alexander Manson d 1942 aged 85 [ = b 1857 ]
    married
    Jane Campbell d 1912 aged 57 [ = b 1855 ]

    Their children were
    Alexander Manson ( b 1879 ) d of wounds in France 17th Feb 1917
    Charles C Manson ( b 1890 ) killed in France 15th June 1915
    [ gravestone to these two plus their parents in Wick Old, although sons died in France ]
    John b 1880
    Donald b 1884
    George b 1886

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