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[ducati]

So what is the reason for trying to change perception of history?

Bad grades at skool?

A nasty experience in the library?

Bad memory?

I don't get the motive, you can't actually change anything, it has already happened.

Perhaps if I seek enlightenment, all will become clear.

[Aaldtimer]

You're beginning to sound like your Avatar in her condition these days!

[ducati]

What? you mean serene, in control, firm resolve, barking ?

[Gronnuck]

You might find the answer in John Tosh's book "The Pursuit of History". There's a review of it here

[fred]

So what is the reason for trying to change perception of history?

Bad grades at skool?

A nasty experience in the library?

Bad memory?

I don't get the motive, you can't actually change anything, it has already happened.

Perhaps if I seek enlightenment, all will become clear.

History is constantly changing as new evidence comes to light.

Yesterday the Guardian published newly released documents which prove Israel tried to sell nuclear weapons to Apartheid South Africa in the 1970s.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...lear-documents

History changed.

[Andfield]

I would not for a minute doubt your word Fred old chaps but how has this "evidence" changed history ??
Did either of the parties to this "agreement" actually use these nuclear weapons - now that would have changed history.
btw, I have never actually met a Guardian reader, have met a few peeps who cut it into little squares for hanging in the outhouse, but actually reading it, never.

[John Little]

So what is the reason for trying to change perception of history?

Bad grades at skool?

A nasty experience in the library?

Bad memory?

I don't get the motive, you can't actually change anything, it has already happened.

Perhaps if I seek enlightenment, all will become clear.

Because if you control the version of history that people believe then it becomes possible to manipulate outcomes.

Consider; if you bring up a child to despise black people and think them inferior, then you get a society that wants and supports apartheid.

If a society thinks Jews are the rats under Germany’s floorboards, that they are a master-race and the Jews plot to keep them down, then you can preach genocide.

If you think people who go against your holy book then you can kill them nastily because they offend God.

The first thing Lenin did in education, post revolution was to order the rewriting of all History textbooks used in schools. Hitler did the same – and he was copying Mussolini.

If you control the perceptions that society has, of how things came to be as they are, then it becomes possible to some extent – even a great extent, to predict and control outcomes.

That is why mendacious polemics have to be opposed wherever they crop up on public forums – because they are not only poisonous to young minds, but can bring about violence, death and disaster if left unchecked.

[fred]

Because if you control the version of history that people believe then it becomes possible to manipulate outcomes.

Consider; if you bring up a child to despise black people and think them inferior, then you get a society that wants and supports apartheid.

Imagine.

http://www.washington-report.org/bac...9/9909019.html

[The Drunken Duck]

Imagine.

http://www.washington-report.org/bac...9/9909019.html

Yes .. Just Imagine.

http://www.honestreporting.com/artic...e_Cartoons.asp

[fred]

Yes .. Just Imagine.

http://www.honestreporting.com/artic...e_Cartoons.asp

Try to see the difference between a cartoon for adults in a newspaper and the official version of history printed in textbooks and taught as fact to all schoolchildren.

[ducati]

You might find the answer in John Tosh's book "The Pursuit of History". There's a review of it here

Thanks Gronnuck, I will try to get hold of a copy of said tome. It doesn't fill me with confidence though, as the (joint) Author states his own bias from the outset and the review uses three words I have never seen before-bit like an LJ post

[fred]

Thanks Gronnuck, I will try to get hold of a copy of said tome. It doesn't fill me with confidence though, as the (joint) Author states his own bias from the outset and the review uses three words I have never seen before-bit like an LJ post

Try Orwell's 1984 instead then.

[pegasus]

So what is the reason for trying to change perception of history?

Bad grades at skool?

A nasty experience in the library?

Bad memory?

I don't get the motive, you can't actually change anything, it has already happened.

Perhaps if I seek enlightenment, all will become clear.

like youre avatar you are a bit confused. You are confusing history with history books. one is what happened, the other is whast you was taught happened.

anyone searching for truth will question what others have taught them and think for themselves if it is true or even likely

[ducati]

like youre avatar you are a bit confused. You are confusing history with history books. one is what happened, the other is whast you was taught happened.

anyone searching for truth will question what others have taught them and think for themselves if it is true or even likely

Looks like you've got the last bit nailed

[davie]

. whast you was taught happened.

Looking at this post Ducati's reference to bad grades at skool seems to have some relevance

[The Drunken Duck]

Try to see the difference between a cartoon for adults in a newspaper and the official version of history printed in textbooks and taught as fact to all schoolchildren.

Yes, because children don't read newspapers or take any notice of what their parents or other adults say at all do they ??, ever been to an Arab country and seen their attitudes for yourself ?? .. of course you haven't. Which means you are just talking balls. As per usual.

Just in case you didn't notice, it was the Palestinian Media Group raising the issue.

[fred]

Yes, because children don't read newspapers or take any notice of what their parents or other adults say at all do they ??, ever been to an Arab country and seen their attitudes for yourself ?? .. of course you haven't. Which means you are just talking balls. As per usual.

Just in case you didn't notice, it was the Palestinian Media Group raising the issue.

Look the thread is about why people question the official version of history as taught in schools.

If you are not capable of comprehending the difference between that and a newspaper cartoon then I do not think there is anything more I can add.

[ducati]

Look the thread is about why people question the official version of history as taught in schools.

If you are not capable of comprehending the difference between that and a newspaper cartoon then I do not think there is anything more I can add.

Actually I should have made it clearer. The thread is about why barking mad conspiracy theorists attemp to twist perception of history to suit there own agenda.

[davie]

The thought comes to me that perhaps Fred & Pegasus are actually relatively sane and merely using the .org as practice and a sounding board for their entries in "The World's Greatest Liar Contest".

Don't know where it is being held this year, probably somewhere in the USA as normal

[pegasus]

Actually I should have made it clearer. The thread is about why barking mad conspiracy theorists attemp to twist perception of history to suit there own agenda.

perception of history should be twisted to suit the thruth then we can learn from what happened do you agree?