Nato strike kills a number of Afghanistan civilians

[Anfield]

So who did win the "democratic" elections in Afghanistan now that the President is saying that voting was rigged?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8598843.stm

[Anfield]

Since the 6th April when Gordon Brown announced a General Election, the media coverage of before, during and after has reached saturation point

Unfortunately the media did not give the same amount of coverage to the five UK soldiers who have been killed in Afghanistan during this period, nor to the other Nato or Muslim casualties of this carnage.

The total now is 285 UK soldiers killed in Afghanistan
and 179 soldiers killed in Iraq

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8579889.stm

[sandyr1]

Nobody is asking or forcing you to read it.

But I think that there must be an awareness! Just go to Southern Florida(where I have been), and I am sure many other US places, and see the casualities of war!
No legs / no arms....most people have no idea/ never saw a dead/ infirm body/ person.
Recently on Mother's day, CNN had 2 mothers on TV with their sons who had been wounded...it would have made a 'grown man cry'!
One of the mothers used the word Vegetable! Very sad indeed! And there are thousands on both sides, if we want to use that description of the conflict/ we are right/ they are wrong?? Or is there another side to all of this......I remain.

[The Drunken Duck]

Since the 6th April when Gordon Brown announced a General Election, the media coverage of before, during and after has reached saturation point

Unfortunately the media did not give the same amount of coverage to the five UK soldiers who have been killed in Afghanistan during this period, nor to the other Nato or Muslim casualties of this carnage.

The total now is 285 UK soldiers killed in Afghanistan
and 179 soldiers killed in Iraq

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8579889.stm

Hmmm .. Sorry, Anfield but reading the comments above and then comparing them to comments made by you within the last few days makes you look a bit, well, hypocritical.

I refer to your post of just a few days ago on the "What the main parties stand for thread" .. http://forum.caithness.org/showthrea...=106861&page=4 .. Post No 68.

And I quote your words here Anfield ..

"I would not consider being part of an organisation that only exists to kill or maim people as being honourable, after all look at the outrage on the front pages of the red tops when the supposed Lockerbie bomber was released, and was treated as a hero when he returned to Libya.

Some of our Generals/Colonels/Majors/Lieutenants/Captains/LieutenantColonels etc (and their American equivalents) have just as much blood on their hands as any fundarmentalist resistance fighter/suicide bomber, and yet when they finish their careers are they prosecuted for being war criminals, no they are given another medal, and no doubt an increase in pension, then a nice day out to meet Mrs Windsor"

So you now care about the very guys you called dishonourable troops/war criminals just a few days ago ??, That's a pretty impressive U turn. Your neck must have snapped round at a rapid rate. I really hope you didn't hurt it. And by the way, the Americans use the same ranks you mentioned. Awesome depth of knowledge of your subject matter.

In the light of the above I reckon you ressurrected this long dead thread to just gleefully announce casualties like you did before. By the way, I am happy to pony up proof of my service record to make you eat your "fantasist" claims, just let me know what would suffice. One condition though, when your proved wrong you give £50 to Help 4 Heroes. And post up the receipt on thread. Over to you.

[Anfield]

In the light of the above I reckon you ressurrected this long dead thread to just gleefully announce casualties like you did before. By the way, I am happy to pony up proof of my service record to make you eat your "fantasist" claims, just let me know what would suffice. One condition though, when your proved wrong you give £50 to Help 4 Heroes. And post up the receipt on thread. Over to you.

I have never doubted your service record.
Over to you

[The Drunken Duck]

I have never doubted your service record.
Over to you

Do you know what ?? .. I'd rather not. I notice you just ignore your blatant hypocrisy being pointed out though. SNAFU.

As much fun as it has been watching you latch on to every post of mine since I had a bite at your mate, and even somehow manage to drag me into threads I haven't even posted on, I am bored now. As I said in reply to your PM's if you want to put the embarrassment of your attempts at put downs behind you and pretend they never happened I will play right along.

I have far more important things to do right about now.

[bekisman]

Since the 6th April when Gordon Brown announced a General Election, the media coverage of before, during and after has reached saturation point

Unfortunately the media did not give the same amount of coverage to the five UK soldiers who have been killed in Afghanistan during this period, nor to the other Nato or Muslim casualties of this carnage. The total now is 285 UK soldiers killed in Afghanistan and 179 soldiers killed in Iraq
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8579889.stm

Here we go again - for those many new members who've joined us, Anfield is a rabid Pacifist - this posting of his is not concern for our armed forces, how do we know this? well just a quick search of his various comments brings up these:

"dismay at 33 civilians killed by gung ho allied troops"
"the killing of innocent people."
"Inevitably they will soon be replaced by more canon fodder"
"people like you bury your head in the sand"
"Get all foreign forces out of Afghanistan now"
"Well done Jock on a superb show, another medal for your chest eh"
And of course the shouted: "End War Now and TROOPS HOME NOW" (sic)

"The total for Afghan is 285 killed" no it ain't it's 225 due to hostile action and it's 113 in Iraq to Hostile, not his 179, you MUST try to get your fact correct Anfield..

[Andfield]

What do facts matter to Anfiel's ilk.

I thought I had left these militant loonies behind on Merseyside but alas no

[Anfield]

"The total for Afghan is 285 killed" no it ain't it's 225 due to hostile action and it's 113 in Iraq to Hostile, not his 179, you MUST try to get your fact correct Anfield..

I hate to say this Bekisman but my facts (and figures) are correct;
As you doubt the BBC figures, I enclose the official MOD statistics,

"It is with very deep regret that the Ministry of Defence has confirmed the following fatalities suffered during operations in Afghanistan.

As at 9 May 2010, a total of 285 British forces personnel or MOD civilians have died while serving in Afghanistan since the start of operations in October 2001..”
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/Fa...Fatalities.htm
and for Iraq
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/Fa...Fatalities.htm

I will pre-empt your inevitable reply, by saying that to me it does not matter whether these people were killed by enemy fire, road accidents, friendly fire, collateral damage, negligence or whatever the new "buzz word" for non combat death that allows 37% (Iraq) & 21% Afghanistan of its troops to be killed is, the fact remains that 285 UK service personnel died in Afghanistan and 179 in Iraq not to mention a massive amount of civilians.

[oldmarine]

Innocent people get killed in every conflict across the planet.

I agree with what northener said here. War is not a pleasant thing and many innoscent people are victimised whether intended or not. I saw enough of that during WW2 to not want to experience anything like that again.

[golach]

I hate to say this Bekisman but my facts (and figures) are correct;

Your figures may be correct, but why gloat upon them at every opportunity?

[Anfield]

Your figures may be correct, but why gloat upon them at every opportunity?

Golach. I am not "gloating" over these awful statistics.
I am merely bringing to the fore what other posters would prefer to avoid, i.e.that the UK, along with other allied countries and the civilian populations of Iraq & Afghanistan are suffering horrific casualty rates as a result of an illegal war.

[Boozeburglar]

Golach. I am not "gloating" over these awful statistics.
I am merely bringing to the fore what other posters would prefer to avoid, i.e.that the UK, along with other allied countries and the civilian populations of Iraq & Afghanistan are suffering horrific casualty rates as a result of an illegal war.

I think most of the members of this message board can think and talk for themselves. The legality of the actions mentioned are a matter of opinion. Any amount of casualties is too many, and is horrific.

Why do you think you are bringing these issues to the fore? This is a community message board. You have no idea what we all get up to elsewhere; or what involvement we might have or have had in anti-war action, or how present the issue is to those of us with family serving or living in the war zone.

[Anfield]

Why do you think you are bringing these issues to the fore? This is a community message board.

And your definition of a "community message board" is?

[Boozeburglar]

I am not writing a dissertation; so forgive me if I won't indulge your need to have simple terms defined.

[sandyr1]

I think most of the members of this message board can think and talk for themselves. The legality of the actions mentioned are a matter of opinion. Any amount of casualties is too many, and is horrific.

Why do you think you are bringing these issues to the fore? This is a community message board. You have no idea what we all get up to elsewhere; or what involvement we might have or have had in anti-war action, or how present the issue is to those of us with family serving or living in the war zone.

Well said..... perhaps this could be the final word. We all deal with these issues in different ways. I know what I have seen and how it personally affects my thoughts.

[rich]

Here is Sebastian (Perfect Storm) Junger's Vanity Fair article on Afghanistan. Probably we all need to read it.

[rich]

I forgot the URL in the last. Sorry. Here it is:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/f...hanistan200810

[fred]

What British, Americans, innocent women and children in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq...are dying for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8YwJ...layer_embedded

[Anfield]

From thread http://forum.caithness.org/showthrea...696#post707696

Altogether Beks ..

"We got one .. We got two .. "

I won, I won

I just hope that the deaths of 464 UK troops and the thousands of civilians killed in Afghanistan & Iraq are not celebrated in the manner above in 40 years time.