Russian fiddling in politics

Will Westminster report say " Russian had their finger to the Scottish referendum pie" . What I do know is that Westminster sent out 361,000 postal votes to pensioners that didn't exsist , they where never registered on the NHS data base or with the DWP. Yet the votes that swung the referendum in the unionist favour were counted for the NO side . Even the electoral commission had great concern ,when asked about the fake postal votes their statement was " we can neither comfirm or demy the situation about the votes,only the Westminster government have the say and good luck with that " . They did however agree that the numbers did not add up and without the strange postal vote the outcome would have been different . Not a Russian voice in ear shot . Westminster is and has always been rotten to its core ,that won't change . We have minister with their partners working in the media ,brainwashing the masses. The org goes to prove the point , Colonists masquerading as Unionists.
Come off it ,it's now when a second referendum vote is in the offing and the poles show that a yes vote is in the lead. The Tories come up with the " the Russians did it ,what's next " vote independance ,vote Russia " more crap from a insane and crazy Westminster Paul Pot style parliament ,and people voted for them .MAD, MAD world.
Scotland is a colony ,always has been and will be until independance.

Well, well, well. Who would have thought it. Corruption, collusion and incompetence at the very heart of the British State. The irony is, of course, that it only came to public light when the Intelligence & Security Committee investigated allegations of Russian interference in UK elections and published their report. This report has been ready for release for many months now but HMG delayed its publication because of the assertions made within it. It's always helpful to delay a report. It gives you time to try to rubbish the content and question the integrity of the committee. That way you try to exert control over how the issue is presented to the public. It also meant it was not an issue in the GE in December of last year.

So, it appears we have Russian enablers actively involved in ensuring Russia gets the influence it needs by paying handsome sums to lawyers, accountants and other sundry consultants to ensure criminal activity goes unnoticed. Members of the House of Lords are suspected of being complicit, if not active, in this process. They are under no obligation to disclose their sources of income so are able to accept bribes with virtually no prospect of them being caught. One really damning finding is the use of London as a centre for money laundering. The report accuses:- "successive governments" of welcoming "oligarchs and their money with open arms, providing them with a means of recycling illicit finance through the London ‘laundromat’, and connections at the highest levels with access to UK companies and political figures".

It is all utterly scandalous. If you still want Scotland to be part of this corrupt Union the I really feel you need to go and examine your conscience. Scotland is not properly served by these criminals and incompetents.

For those who missed it, here is the link to George monbiot's analysis of corruption at the heart of the British state - https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

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Originally Posted by dozy

What I do know is that Westminster sent out 361,000 postal votes to pensioners that didn't exsist , they where never registered on the NHS data base or with the DWP.

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They would be doing well to do that. Postal votes are sent out by regional electoral officers, who also are responsible for the annual canvass to ensure the register of electors is up to date. So if you are alleging that there were bogus postal votes, then it would be the local electoral registration officers that you need to direct your allegations to. For example, in Orkney and Shetland it would the the Joint Valuation Board. In Orkney, they are based in Broad Street in Kirkwall. Not quite Westminster.

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Originally Posted by dozy

The org goes to prove the point , Colonists masquerading as Unionists.

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Did you mean to say "sock puppets masquerading as separatists"?

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The Tories come up with the " the Russians did it ,what's next " vote independance ,vote Russia "

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Don't be daft. Next you'll be telling us that ex SNP leaders have their own shows on state sponsored TV channels like Russia Today.

What's that? They do?

The Daily Mail's Orkney correspondent there feverishly trying to deflect attention away from the cess pit that is the British State.

Corky etal...
Yee canna get a ‘Baggie’ O’ Drug Tests frae Week till Inverness!
And yur ‘Health Care Bosses?!...
How r yee goan ‘til Survive!

[QUOTE=orkneycadian;1193542]Don't be daft. Next you'll be telling us that ex SNP leaders have their own shows on state sponsored TV channels like Russia Today.

What's that? They do?[/QUOTE

The main reason the TORY government didn't want to investigate any thoughts of election meddling is simply. They were the ones rigging the election and if that came to light where would Brexit or Scottish independance be ..Only someone with their head so far up the Westminster black hope of stupidity would think otherwise. It's that same old same old Tory line " justified deniability" . Funny thing is,how rich colonists can use that excuse and their minions rally to their rescue. Yet again more colonists masquerading as unionists . I feel sorry for orkneycadian ,their born a hundred years to late for the world as they would have it .

I know this is not at all the main point but if Russia interfered in the Indy referendum, it would surely have been to further the cause of Independence would it not?

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I know this is not at all the main point but if Russia interfered in the Indy referendum, it would surely have been to further the cause of Independence would it not?

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I would have thought so too. However, just because they were meddling doesn't mean they were any good at it. I suspect the IndyRef interference was an early attempt to see just what they could do; what impact their actions would have and to learn lessons for subsequent meddlings.

Well, you can all be Thankful u don’t have Kanye West running for Office (in America)........
The World is totally nuts! Nuts!

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I know this is not at all the main point but if Russia interfered in the Indy referendum, it would surely have been to further the cause of Independence would it not?

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Cameron asked Putin and a lot of other countries to chip in and condemn the attempt by the Scots. Anyway, how do we know the interference was by Russia, just saying it doesn't make it so in this era of readily available proxy connections, and politicians who wouldn't acknowledge the truth if it rose up and bit them.

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Originally Posted by Oddquine

Cameron asked Putin and a lot of other countries to chip in and condemn the attempt by the Scots. Anyway, how do we know the interference was by Russia, just saying it doesn't make it so in this era of readily available proxy connections, and politicians who wouldn't acknowledge the truth if it rose up and bit them.

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The Russians interfering with Scottish Politics!! Another Nutty story. Gawd what is wrong with everyone!!
Maybe it was Kanye WEST! Another Cheeeesze Whizzzzz!
You should all go back to the Well in Swiney, where intellectuals were created!

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Originally Posted by Fulmar

I know this is not at all the main point but if Russia interfered in the Indy referendum, it would surely have been to further the cause of Independence would it not?

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So it likely went......

[Salmond] "Hello Vlad? Salmond here. Wondering if you could help me swing a bit of a referendum here in Scotland?"
[Putin] "Sure, no problemski. How do you want it to go?"
[Salmond] "Well, a Yes result would be good"
[Putin] "Hellski, that's a tall order - There's not that many folk wanting independence from what I hear"
[Salmon] "Well, there are a few of us. Myself for starters, Wee Krankie, and a few folk in Glasgow"
[Putin] "OK, I'll see what I can do, but I can't guarantee anything. And there's something I need you to do for me in return"
[Salmond] "Aye, no bother, what's that"
[Putin] "I need you to front up a show on Russia Today - One where we can get our agenda into the livingrooms of the UK public, without them suspecting too much. But where there is a familiar face spreading the word."
[Salmon] "Aye, no bother Vlad. I'll be up for that. Anything to get me that Yes result, and getting more chance to have my mug on the box is welcome"
[Putin] "OK, but remember, I can't guarantee that. To get from where you are at the moment, to over 50% by fiddling the referendum is a big ask, even for us. We might only be able to swing it as far as, maybe 40 or 45%. We have been monitoring your media (and a lot more) for a long time, and we know that that majority of you Scots are intelligent enough to know that staying in the UK is the best for Scotland. There are just a few, how you say in your language....... ah yes, nutcases, that think Scexit is a good idea.
[Salmond] "Och, if need be, that'll do for starters. If we get that kind of numbers, we'll manage to persuade a few more thousand that the Scottish public actually want Scexit. If the mugs fall for thinking that 40 or 45% voted Yes, then it won't be too hard to then get a few more percent to follow suit - They'll fall for it"
[Putin] "OK, so when can you start the TV show?"

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And yur ‘Health Care Bosses?!...
How r yee goan ‘til Survive!

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A tough one Horseman;

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It seems that the SNP Minister for Health has finally been shamed into at least saying they are looking at it. But there's a big difference between looking and doing unfortunately. We need to see some real improvements in our healthcare system here now. It seems to have been on a downward spiral for the last decade, along with education, law / order and employment. We have the accolade of being the highest taxed, poorest educated and having the highest unemployment part of the UK. And now our health service is going down the pan as well.

And of course the Russian state was not behind the vile poisonings leading to deaths on British soil, was it?

Indeed. As Boney M said at the end of Rasputin, "Oh those Russians......."

So, I am now wondering what the 2014 result would have been without Russian intervention? 10% Yes, 90% No? 20/80? Would it have been as high as 25/75? Doubtful.

[Salmond] - "Hello?"
[Putin] - "Ah, Alexander - Good name by the way - We have had quite a few Alexanders here in Russia - Anyway, Vlad here. Just calling you with an update"
[Salmond] - "Aye, go on"
[Putin] - OK, I have put my best hacker on the job. He's nearly 100% at covering his tracks. Unlike a couple of colleagues I have in mind to send to England in a few years time for a small job I have in mind for them in Salisbury. Anyway, this guy is almost good. Almost a complete master of sock puppetry. Sometimes, he lets his guard slip, but no-one should notice. Anyway, he's managed to infiltrate some Scottish forums and has started spreading the word for you. He's managed to circumvent the anti-sock-puppet policies and admins are none the wiser. I have had a look at some of his postings on one forum called "'e org" and I am sure you will be pleased with them. Looked like a load of дерьмо to me, but thats what you wanted"
[Salmond] "Excellent - And you're sure that no-one will rumble him?"
[Putin] "Nah, should be fine. As long as he keeps his guard up and doesn't go on the vodka on a Friday afternoon and let it slip."
[Salmond] "Perfect - Now, for your visit here next week as an undercover celebrity - I was going to get in some vodka, Stroganoff and vatrushka. That be OK for you? Or would you rather something more traditional like Buckie, deep fried Mars bars and haggis cheesecake?"
[Salmond] "Vlad? Are you still there?......."

With posts like that last one by Orkneycadian it's becoming clear just how severe the BritNat panic has become.

I don’t think there is Panic. I personally think that Scotland does not have what it takes to go on it’s own at this time.
And doesn’t the Indy thingy have to get permission from Prof Boris?

@Horseman - The spoof dialogues above, were intended to be retrospective, as in sometime in the lead up to the Scexit vote in 2014. The catalyst that brought them onto the forum here was the revelation that Russians may have been involved in that vote, and another poster on here suggesting that they are unlikely to have been supporting the No cause.

Fast forward a bit, the Scottish people had their say and the matter was put to bed for the generation, or even lifetime that we were all told.

So whilst the UK Government indeed need to grant a section 30 order to transfer powers from Westminster to Scotland for a referendum, there is little need for them to do so. We are still within a lifetime of the last vote, so running it again, and again again, and again until the desired result is obtained is a waste of time and money, and why it has gained the reputation of a neverendum. When in reality it should be a neveragainfor80yearsdum.

Interesting critique of the "Russian Interference" report here https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/08/the-russian-interference-report-without-laughing/?fbclid=IwAR38I5JWoOs0LOrbd7CT1GoIwjtYqN-OH_PrhCVeY5jyZjn6i28zfYYpj6s

OQ.......There are 3 sides to every story....I have read some on this situation.
Each ‘side’ has it’s own Opinions!
And if you are in Russian you do it ‘The Russian way’....or else!