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Kenn
18-Feb-10, 23:10
Having visited one of the local estates today it occured to me that for those of us who are not of the hunting,shooting and fishing brigade a haggis hunt would be a great way not only to raise money for charity but to get an insight into how an estate works,meet the gamekeeper and see places that we would not normally get access to.

So how about it landowners,estate managers and gamekeepers?

ducati
18-Feb-10, 23:15
Having visited one of the local estates today it occured to me that for those of us who are not of the hunting,shooting and fishing brigade a haggis hunt would be a great way not only to raise money for charity but to get an insight into how an estate works,meet the gamekeeper and see places that we would not normally get access to.

So how about it landowners,estate managers and gamekeepers?

OK but when you tree the Haggis you have to leash the dogs and shoot it [lol]

riggerboy
19-Feb-10, 09:32
which haggi will you be wanting to hunt

1, the hill haggi,,, legs on the left of it body being shorter than the ones on the right side so that it can run round the hill and still be level,

2, the short hind legged haggi,,, this one has very short hind legs like a frog for jumping very high fences,,,, great for escaping

3, the buck tooth haggi,,, large front teeth for creating tunnels below the fences these are the best tasting but very hard to catch kinda like a large mole

4, or the standard run of the mill beastie the cowers in the heather awaiting death,

if i have missed any type of haggi then please feel free to add to the list there are so many

Cattach
19-Feb-10, 10:56
Having visited one of the local estates today it occured to me that for those of us who are not of the hunting,shooting and fishing brigade a haggis hunt would be a great way not only to raise money for charity but to get an insight into how an estate works,meet the gamekeeper and see places that we would not normally get access to.

So how about it landowners,estate managers and gamekeepers?

Since all Haggis are now raised in cages like the caged hens in another thread I doubt it is worth going on a haggis hunt. There is a free range Haggis farm down Thrumster way, called Funny Farm I think. You can pick your own there or shoot paying so much by the hour. I beoeve like those special fishing lochs you are only aloowed to take one haggis. Apparently it is big business out west where the Haggis are reared in fields of tatties and neeps where you can choose your haggis and at the same time pick the required tatties and neeps.

riggerboy
19-Feb-10, 11:27
Since all Haggis are now raised in cages like the caged hens in another thread I doubt it is worth going on a haggis hunt. There is a free range Haggis farm down Thrumster way, called Funny Farm I think. You can pick your own there or shoot paying so much by the hour. I beoeve like those special fishing lochs you are only aloowed to take one haggis. Apparently it is big business out west where the Haggis are reared in fields of tatties and neeps where you can choose your haggis and at the same time pick the required tatties and neeps.

i do believe that the haggi that are reared free range in these so call parks of tatties and neeps a very very fast over this type of ground, so fast in fact it has been reported that a whole field of tatties and a whole field of neeps became one field of clapshot, according to the reporter hes never had to move so fast to keep up with a story

Cattach
19-Feb-10, 11:36
i do believe that the haggi that are reared free range in these so call parks of tatties and neeps a very very fast over this type of ground, so fast in fact it has been reported that a whole field of tatties and a whole field of neeps became one field of clapshot, according to the reporter hes never had to move so fast to keep up with a story

You are almost quite correct in your post but there is a mistaken belief that haggi is the plural of haggis. This is not correct. Haggis, like sheep, is both a singular and plural word. There is in fact some evidence to suggest that haggis are a sheep mutation from many thousands of years ago hence the sheep stomach connection where, as you know, the main inners of the haggis are contained in a stomach not unlike a sheep's.

golach
19-Feb-10, 11:44
The plural of Haggis is at the moment Haggis, but will soon be changed to the Gaelic Haggi, when Highland Council get proper funding from Wee Fat Shrek down here in Auld Reekie.

riggerboy
19-Feb-10, 11:57
The plural of Haggis is at the moment Haggis, but will soon be changed to the Gaelic Haggi, when Highland Council get proper funding from Wee Fat Shrek down here in Auld Reekie.

and quite correct you are, i for 1 have always and will always use the gaelic words for the timid beastie,

for me there can be only 1 haggi




(comes for harrold the butchers said in a whisper)

katarina
19-Feb-10, 13:16
ir,
With reference to your letter dated 16th inst regarding the age old custom of haggis hunting in the highlands of Scotland, I am pleased to forward the following information.
Contrary to your statement that the hunt causes unnecessary suffering to these small creatures and can therefore be termed as a blood sport, I would stand by my affirmation that no haggis is subjected to any pain whatsoever, and in fact one could go as far as to say, they actually enjoy the hunt. The best way to kill a haggis, although many would disagree with me here, is to drown it with whiskey
From the contents of your letter, I would surmise that you have no concept at all of how the hunt is conducted. As these are by nature very shy creatures and seldom seen with the naked eye, a variety of web cams are set up in different locations of Scotland. Once the haggis has been spotted, the hunter races to the scene, sets out an open bottle of best malt whiskey, and conceals himself in a nearby location. Chances are, however, that before the intended prey gets a chance to come forward, the bottle will be picked up by a chav, one of Scotland’s less desirable species. However, if the hunter manages to fight off the chavs and the vagrants, the haggis will eventually be unable to resist the luring aroma of our national nectar . Once he is legless, this not taking long as his legs are different lengths to begin with, he is easily picked up and simply falls into a deep dreamless sleep not even stirring when he is dropped into a pan of boiling water.

Also from your communication, it would appear that you are in fact unaware of the true nature of the haggis. Perhaps you may be less ready to interfere with our national customs if you understood more about the wee beastie.
I will therefore endeavor to give you information in the many areas in which you appear to be ignorant.

The original haggis was formed in Frankensteinian fashion, from the belly and organs of the sheep. The heart, liver and lungs were chopped up and fed liberally with copious amounts of oatmeal, thus creating an entirely new breed. Once the swarthy highlanders, their bellies rumbling after a prolonged and bloody battle during which they had no sustenance whatsoever, discovered this tasty delicacy, it quickly became Scotland’s national dish, greatly enjoyed for at least four hundred years.
Where it actually originated is still very much in speculation. In early Roman times, a comic cook was claimed to have brandished a haggis-like creature on a stick while performing in the theatre. But even earlier than that there are written clues from ancient Greece. In Aristophanes’ play 'The Clouds' there is a comic kitchen scene where a sheep’s bladder is filled with organs and oats thus creating a creature remarkably similar to a haggis. There is a mouth watering account of the dish as it cooks and a mention of the golden beads of fat which is also referred to by our own national poet, Robert Burns two thousand years later when he immortalised the dish in the poem ’Ode to a Haggis’ and claims it to be ‘the great chieftain o’ the pudding race’ . This was when the noble wee beastie gained it’s greatest fame and we claimed it as our own.

Also to reply to your further concerns that breeding animals with the legs on the right side of their body shorter than on the left just so that they will remain indigenous to Scotland is entirely misinformed. The wee crature evolved that way with no interference from man at all. It is all due to the terrain in the highlands and the habit the haggii have of running around the base of the hills. Neither is it true that we have forced them to fly backwards so as to keep an eye on whoever may have a gun trained on them. Haggii fly backwards over the moor, simply to protect their eyes from the biting winds. No haggis has ever been able to survive in captivity, thus making the domesticating or farming of them impossible. Anything you may have heard to the contrary is propaganda spouted by the Sassenachs who would wish to claim these tasty wee morsels for themselves.

The hunting season begins in the month of January so that fresh haggii can be brought to the table as Scotsmen and women everywhere celebrate the birth of their national poet on the 25th.
Originally it was reported that after the newly cooked haggis was brought to the table to the accompaniment of a piper, the assembled kilted clan members would leap onto their chairs, set one foot upon the table, swallow their dram of whiskey and toss the glass over their shoulders. Then the Clan chief would recite the above poem, briefly apologize to the haggis for having killed it, and plunge a dirk - a short sharp knife worn inside a highlanders sock - into it’s steaming belly. It’s entrails then being eaten with relish by the assembled company. After their hunger was sated, the highlanders would spend the night sampling the many different brands of Scots whiskey

Nowadays there is seldom any jumping on tables or breaking of glass, but the drams are still liberally served.
However, there is one point in your letter with which I totally agree. I too object to the noble haggis being sometimes subjected to the indignation of being dressed in kilt and tam.

In conclusion, I would ask, that now, having a better understanding of the haggis and his ways, you would refrain from taking the matter up with the Scottish parliament as I’m sure they have much more important issues concerning them rather than the plight of the simple Scottish haggis.

Yours faithfully

Etc etc

Cattach
19-Feb-10, 13:49
ir,
With reference to your letter dated 16th inst regarding the age old custom of haggis hunting in the highlands of Scotland, I am pleased to forward the following information.
Contrary to your statement that the hunt causes unnecessary suffering to these small creatures and can therefore be termed as a blood sport, I would stand by my affirmation that no haggis is subjected to any pain whatsoever, and in fact one could go as far as to say, they actually enjoy the hunt. The best way to kill a haggis, although many would disagree with me here, is to drown it with whiskey
From the contents of your letter, I would surmise that you have no concept at all of how the hunt is conducted. As these are by nature very shy creatures and seldom seen with the naked eye, a variety of web cams are set up in different locations of Scotland. Once the haggis has been spotted, the hunter races to the scene, sets out an open bottle of best malt whiskey, and conceals himself in a nearby location. Chances are, however, that before the intended prey gets a chance to come forward, the bottle will be picked up by a chav, one of Scotland’s less desirable species. However, if the hunter manages to fight off the chavs and the vagrants, the haggis will eventually be unable to resist the luring aroma of our national nectar . Once he is legless, this not taking long as his legs are different lengths to begin with, he is easily picked up and simply falls into a deep dreamless sleep not even stirring when he is dropped into a pan of boiling water.

Also from your communication, it would appear that you are in fact unaware of the true nature of the haggis. Perhaps you may be less ready to interfere with our national customs if you understood more about the wee beastie.
I will therefore endeavor to give you information in the many areas in which you appear to be ignorant.

The original haggis was formed in Frankensteinian fashion, from the belly and organs of the sheep. The heart, liver and lungs were chopped up and fed liberally with copious amounts of oatmeal, thus creating an entirely new breed. Once the swarthy highlanders, their bellies rumbling after a prolonged and bloody battle during which they had no sustenance whatsoever, discovered this tasty delicacy, it quickly became Scotland’s national dish, greatly enjoyed for at least four hundred years.
Where it actually originated is still very much in speculation. In early Roman times, a comic cook was claimed to have brandished a haggis-like creature on a stick while performing in the theatre. But even earlier than that there are written clues from ancient Greece. In Aristophanes’ play 'The Clouds' there is a comic kitchen scene where a sheep’s bladder is filled with organs and oats thus creating a creature remarkably similar to a haggis. There is a mouth watering account of the dish as it cooks and a mention of the golden beads of fat which is also referred to by our own national poet, Robert Burns two thousand years later when he immortalised the dish in the poem ’Ode to a Haggis’ and claims it to be ‘the great chieftain o’ the pudding race’ . This was when the noble wee beastie gained it’s greatest fame and we claimed it as our own.

Also to reply to your further concerns that breeding animals with the legs on the right side of their body shorter than on the left just so that they will remain indigenous to Scotland is entirely misinformed. The wee crature evolved that way with no interference from man at all. It is all due to the terrain in the highlands and the habit the haggii have of running around the base of the hills. Neither is it true that we have forced them to fly backwards so as to keep an eye on whoever may have a gun trained on them. Haggii fly backwards over the moor, simply to protect their eyes from the biting winds. No haggis has ever been able to survive in captivity, thus making the domesticating or farming of them impossible. Anything you may have heard to the contrary is propaganda spouted by the Sassenachs who would wish to claim these tasty wee morsels for themselves.

The hunting season begins in the month of January so that fresh haggii can be brought to the table as Scotsmen and women everywhere celebrate the birth of their national poet on the 25th.
Originally it was reported that after the newly cooked haggis was brought to the table to the accompaniment of a piper, the assembled kilted clan members would leap onto their chairs, set one foot upon the table, swallow their dram of whiskey and toss the glass over their shoulders. Then the Clan chief would recite the above poem, briefly apologize to the haggis for having killed it, and plunge a dirk - a short sharp knife worn inside a highlanders sock - into it’s steaming belly. It’s entrails then being eaten with relish by the assembled company. After their hunger was sated, the highlanders would spend the night sampling the many different brands of Scots whiskey

Nowadays there is seldom any jumping on tables or breaking of glass, but the drams are still liberally served.
However, there is one point in your letter with which I totally agree. I too object to the noble haggis being sometimes subjected to the indignation of being dressed in kilt and tam.

In conclusion, I would ask, that now, having a better understanding of the haggis and his ways, you would refrain from taking the matter up with the Scottish parliament as I’m sure they have much more important issues concerning them rather than the plight of the simple Scottish haggis.

Yours faithfully

Etc etc

Has anyone the remotest interest in reading posts of this length even it were worth reading?

riggerboy
19-Feb-10, 14:19
Has anyone the remotest interest in reading posts of this length even it were worth reading?

no to much info

peedie man
19-Feb-10, 20:22
Katrina thats very interesting to us scotsmen

Stavro
19-Feb-10, 21:01
Ever tried vegetarian haggis? Very tasty. :)

Dadie
19-Feb-10, 21:04
The veggie haggis was quite nice stuffed inside a chicken breast wrapped in bacon:lol:

Stavro
19-Feb-10, 21:18
The veggie haggis was quite nice stuffed inside a chicken breast wrapped in bacon:lol:

I suppose that would slow it down and make it easier to shoot? :)

Dadie
19-Feb-10, 21:21
Nah it was well pickled in whiskey sauce which left it stunned.
More humane that way:lol:

Blarney
20-Feb-10, 01:44
Delicious though it may be, is the haggis termed a pest? Saw an ad in the Groat today for pest control and the guy's name was Angus Ross. Wondered if it was the ex-International darts player? Had a vision of him running round the hills trying to nobble haggis with his darts[lol]

Stavro
20-Feb-10, 01:48
Delicious though it may be, is the haggis termed a pest? Saw an ad in the Groat today for pest control and the guy's name was Angus Ross. Wondered if it was the ex-International darts player? Had a vision of him running round the hills trying to nobble haggis with his darts[lol]


They would be too fast, even for the great man. That must be the case, because you never see one.

Cattach
20-Feb-10, 10:54
Ever tried vegetarian haggis? Very tasty. :)

Two points - it not haggis and it is total rubbish. I have tried two kinds and both very aweful.

Kenn
20-Feb-10, 11:11
Tree a haggis?
I thought you used trip wires an' nets to trap the wee beastie,mind you if you can get a tree kangaroo I suppose it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they are up there lurking in redundant crow's nests.

golach
20-Feb-10, 13:14
Two points - it not haggis and it is total rubbish. I have tried two kinds and both very aweful.
Got to agree, tried two as well from different famous Haggis making butchers, they were no more like a real haggis, more like a Nut Cutlet, my cat would not eat them either.

crayola
20-Feb-10, 13:23
Ever tried vegetarian haggis? Very tasty. :)
Yes and I love them but the cage-reared ones taste a tad too much of triffid for my palate.

I'm planning an application to CASE for a large free-range veggie haggis farm at Murkle. Would you like to be my business partner?

Stavro
20-Feb-10, 15:36
I'm planning an application to CASE for a large free-range veggie haggis farm at Murkle. Would you like to be my business partner?


Definitely. Perhaps we could breed them in various tartans? Since a MacDonald, why not a MacHaggis?