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Hello, I get the feeling I've asked this questions before, but, can anyone find me a decent PA system (that is to say 2 speakers and a head unit?) for under £400?
Just for a band using 2 acoustic guitars and a drumkit/cajon...
I like that Orange make but dayuumn they are expensive...
Douglas Cowie
17-Feb-10, 20:22
See link below, Peavey system for £429, just over budget.
http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/80173
Yamaha system at £399, this has £100 off
http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/yamaha-stagepas-300/67630
If you are wanting a decent system then buy a second hand passive system.
Then at least you can build on it, upgrade gradually and if something breaks then its not a major hardship to replace.
Buying a new small PA isnt going to hold its money whatsoever and will not make a very good job of doing the vocals or the acoustics (im assuming) you will be thinking of putting through it.
Look on ebay for a separates system of around 300watts/side or so and go for something with not less than 12" main drivers in them, anything smaller will sound thin at volume.
If you are patient, you will find a bargain.
celtic1888
17-Feb-10, 23:19
good thread kenneth, i was going to post the same question.
Im looking for exactly the same to get me and a mate up and going..
thanks
Douglas Cowie
19-Feb-10, 20:41
Check out the PA for sale in the Org musical instruments for sale column, Burstbucker is the seller, quality PA at a good price.
Behringer?
You're having a giraffe!
loganbiffy
19-Feb-10, 20:50
Behringer are amazing Jeid ;) :p
Clearly stay away from Behringer...can anyone suggest good makes?
Douglas Cowie
20-Feb-10, 12:02
Absolutely nothing wrong with Behringer mixers, they do a good job at a great price.
Of course he could go for this Allen & Heath mixer at £4,862.30 but it might be a tad over budget!
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/29823-allen-heath-gl2800-56-channel.html/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=base
Aye, there's nothing wrong with Behringer mixers... until they break, which isn't so much a possibility, but a foregone conclusion.
Well done on looking up the internets, have a cookie..
http://pixiestixkidspix.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/cookie-bite-web.jpg
Sorry, I took a bite, I was hungry..
Douglas Cowie
20-Feb-10, 13:26
[quote=Jeid;663045]Aye, there's nothing wrong with Behringer mixers... until they break, which isn't so much a possibility, but a foregone conclusion.
Never had one break yet, you must have been unlucky Jeid.
Absolutely nothing wrong with Behringer mixers, they do a good job at a great price.
Of course he could go for this Allen & Heath mixer at £4,862.30 but it might be a tad over budget!
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/29823-allen-heath-gl2800-56-channel.html/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=base
allen and grief - a quote from a industry professional who taught me in Sound Reinforcement :confused
[quote=Jeid;663045]Aye, there's nothing wrong with Behringer mixers... until they break, which isn't so much a possibility, but a foregone conclusion.
Never had one break yet, you must have been unlucky Jeid.
I wouldn't bother spending my money on it.
Everything else they make breaks.
Douglas Cowie
20-Feb-10, 14:38
I wouldn't bother spending my money on it.
Everything else they make breaks.[/quote]
And neither you should if it's not your cup of tea (and cookies)
loganbiffy
20-Feb-10, 15:00
I ain't a fan of Behringer either tbh. They are cheap for a reason, they are not very good.
Our PA desk is average at best.
Their stompboxes are poor.
On a pure bang for the buck count can't recommend Behringer enough. Like Douglas I've never had a failure yet and I currently own and use 4 different desks from this company. I recommed flight casing as much of your rig as you can afford too as this tends to be very under looked (budgeted for) and gear in transit / packing / unloading is when much of the wear and tear occurs.
Also think about big temperature changes when taking gear from a cold van / trailer (especially in the winter) to a hot humid venue / pub. This can also cause problems with sensitive electrics.
Good luck with your PA search. £400 is a fairly tight budget to work with (though it can be done).
I wouldn't bother spending my money on it.
Everything else they make breaks.
And neither you should if it's not your cup of tea (and cookies)[/QUOTE]
I had no intention of recommending it, but you said it was "a quality PA"
I think I'll let the Family Fortunes guys deal with this..
Is Behringer "quality"?
Survey says...
http://www.ukgameshows.com/atoz/programmes/f/family_fortunes/bygraves_duhduhh.jpg
loganbiffy
20-Feb-10, 18:39
And neither you should if it's not your cup of tea (and cookies)
I had no intention of recommending it, but you said it was "a quality PA"
I think I'll let the Family Fortunes guys deal with this..
Is Behringer "quality"?
Survey says...
http://www.ukgameshows.com/atoz/programmes/f/family_fortunes/bygraves_duhduhh.jpg[/QUOTE]
Brilliant!
Douglas Cowie
20-Feb-10, 18:54
For £550 it is a good quality PA. Burstbucker looks after his gear so it's not going to be hashed.
You don't like Behringer fair enough, but as Deemac says if you look after it, it should serve you well.
At the end of the day Kenneth is on a budget and we all have to start of somewhere. I remember playing in a band with a pair of Soundcity PA columns and a Marshall PA head, not exactly sonic excellence but we thought they were the bees knees at the time.
I've no doubt he does, I've seen some of his gear and it all looks immaculate.
Yeah, I'm sure if you wrap it in cotton wool, it's fine. But Kenneth said he's on a budget so getting the cotton wool (cases) he needs to baby it isn't keeping things on budget. It's not that I don't like Behringer, they amuse me... it's not often you get a piece of equipment that you know is gonna fail.
Anyway, Behringer. I wouldn't, not even if you paid me.
Douglas Cowie
20-Feb-10, 20:22
Anyway, Behringer. I wouldn't, not even if you paid me.[/quote]
Not even for 50P?
Not even for 50P?
I'm being very petty but sort yer quotes out min
have your [QUOTE] finish with a forward slash in the other when commenting. It just confuses people other wise. :D
Douglas Cowie
20-Feb-10, 21:00
I'm being very petty but sort yer quotes out min
have your [quote] finish with a forward slash in the other when commenting. It just confuses people other wise. :D
Being even more petty "min" is an ancient Egyptian word for God and as much as I'm flattered I am not worthy.
"Yer" is just bad grammer.
"have" should have a capital "H" as it's the start of a sentence.
Zebedy you really should get out more.
saying this you had time to sit sort out all my bad punctuation and such?
your as good as I am. :confused
Douglas Cowie
21-Feb-10, 00:32
saying this you had time to sit sort out all my bad punctuation and such?
your as good as I am. :confused
As the saying goes Zebedy "people in glass houses...."
buddyrich
21-Feb-10, 02:49
Cazart! Havent been on the forum for ages but it's good to see some things never change. Huy!
Metalattakk
21-Feb-10, 04:01
"Yer" is just bad grammer.
This needs one of Jeid's famous "face/palms", along with an added "OMG! EPIC FAIL!!!!!!one!!oneone!!!!!eleventyone!!!!".
This needs one of Jeid's famous "face/palms", along with an added "OMG! EPIC FAIL!!!!!!one!!oneone!!!!!eleventyone!!!!".
Me being not the best speller ever just got this and lol'd
Oi, leave wee Zeb alone... he's a drummer. Christ, being able to communicate is an achievement! Drummers are like cavemen... "me take stick and hit drum, it go boom boom? oh oh oh!"
Tubthumper
21-Feb-10, 11:52
Oi, leave wee Zeb alone... he's a drummer. Christ, being able to communicate is an achievement! Drummers are like cavemen... "me take stick and hit drum, it go boom boom? oh oh oh!"
Oi watch lip, you! Or I bash wiv big pole. 4 times only though.
I can't imagine it would be in time though ;)
Had a wee proposition from a certain Chobbersjnr (I think thats him) for 2 speakers....which i am interested in!
Am willing to spend under £500 now though.......
and,
Is anyone interested buying that amp that I bought from Logan? Never really used it and dont need it now..........
£180 o.n.o!
Had a wee proposition from a certain Chobbersjnr (I think thats him) for 2 speakers....which i am interested in!
If anyone is to sort you out with adequate equipment your in good hands with Chobbers mate.
I cant believe ive just read a single thread where somebody praised Behringer and slated Allen and Heath.
Sigh. . . . . . .
buddyrich
24-Feb-10, 16:35
Surely if Behringer had such reliability issues then they wouldnt be in such wide use? I dont use their gear because i dont think it sounds good or is that well designed, but i've never heard anything about them being particularly fragile. Have you had bad experiences with gear breaking down Jeid? I would hate to think you're being portentous just for the sake of it.
I cant believe ive just read a single thread where somebody praised Behringer and slated Allen and Heath.
Sigh. . . . . . .
I've actually had an Allen & Heath GS3000 recording console for over 10 years without a single issue! Suppose some people just have had a bad experience and assume all that companies products are useless!
Ive used a few behringers from different sources and i always find that the pots and faders wear out rather fast. I have also used one only two years old that had the right main send die halfway through a concert. made cowboy patching interesting.
Behringer are quite open about using cheap components, which would explain my experience of them wearing out quite fast.
Ive never had a problem with allen and heath. They are fine for the price bracket they are in and the desks i use regularly have lasted over 7 years.
I dont think Jeid is being "portentous" at all.
Surely if Behringer had such reliability issues then they wouldnt be in such wide use? I dont use their gear because i dont think it sounds good or is that well designed, but i've never heard anything about them being particularly fragile. Have you had bad experiences with gear breaking down Jeid? I would hate to think you're being portentous just for the sake of it.
I've never had much experience of gear breaking down because I try and get the best I can afford, not just stuff that a company has blatantly ripped off from another. See below for example.
Behringer Desk at the top, Midas at the bottom...
http://www.ahjteam.com/upload/BEHRINGER_MIDAS.jpg
Check their pedal range as well, it makes me lol.
I would hate to think you're being portentous just for the sake of it.
Nah, I'm not being portentous...
loganbiffy
24-Feb-10, 18:23
Behringer's range of stompboxes make me lol also.
buddyrich
25-Feb-10, 14:16
Ah right. It's just that you spoke with great authority on the reliability, or lack of it, where Behringer are concerned. Selah. They're certainly not the first company to be inspired by other peoples designs. But for that, we'd still be recording with German tape machines.
What hardware are you recording with now Jeid? Motu?
Using parentheses is fun, isnt it "Big Kev"!
I've read plenty about the quality control, or lack of it, with regards to Behringer to know that it's not worth spending money on unless you're in dire need of something and have no budget, even then, I reckon I could borrow something.
See the Bugera (made by Behringer) stuff for reference of poor QC.
For recording I'm using a Digidesign 002R and a Motu 8 Pre yep. Did you get that Motu 896 you were on about once upon a time? Was it the 896? It was a while ago now, I cannae mind! You been doing much recording?
buddyrich
25-Feb-10, 17:53
Aye the 896 and the 8pre as a slave off it. TC Powercore dsp rack thing for effects and shiny lights. Done quite a bit with it lately. Recorded in the legion on saturday night-anyone looking for somewhere nice to record, that hall is very nice.
For my next trick im going to build cases so im set for location recording and try and work out if Nuendo is worth the extra thousand quid (probably not).
Selah.
Aye, I run the 8 Pre via ADAT into the 002R. It works grand. 12 mic channels. I'm running it alongside a POD XT for all of my guitar and bass stuff.
Be interested to hear some recordings you've done :)
buddyrich
26-Feb-10, 11:33
It shall be done. Sometime. Currently website-building for the scottish band so i'll have some stuff on there.
Behringer have had more than one of their products taken off the market for copyright infringement, check this out:
http://business.highbeam.com/436073/article-1G1-59085853/behringer-and-mackie-settle
Or this:
http://www.entrepreneur.com/tradejournals/article/131975075.html
Not great links but you get the point.
Anyway, back to the subject. . .
Kenny, what did Chobb Jr sell or plan to sell you?
2x Ohm RW3 speakers I beleive!
im not sure if wer gonna go for it, might be less hassle getting a full PA. dunno tho, i no this much about music stuff - > <
Funny, that's also about the same size as your penis.
Metalattakk
27-Feb-10, 03:01
Funny, that's also about the same size as your penis.
Ach, as long as it fits in his hand it's nobody else's business. ;)
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