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Some people could benefit from watching this tonight on BBC 4 at 22.30.
Some people could benefit from watching this tonight on BBC 4 at 22.30.
The others can watch it at 22:30.
scrapydoo
11-May-06, 09:32
Lmao........
The others can watch it at 22:30.
Both work. I have a clock that uses a "." instead of ":".
On another grammar note, anyone seen the burger van at Homebase?
Johns Snaxs. Surely John's Snax would work better ;)
I love the over-use of full stops.......
What is it with people who cant spell these days anyway? Fair enough my grammar isn't up to much but at least I try and spell everything correctly and if not correctly it's in a form that can be understood (phone/fone, school/skool etc). Is it just me or do you have to ask people to text you again on your phone or messenger service just to understand what the other person is trying to say?
Both work. I have a clock that uses a "." instead of ":".
Well so long as it works that's all that matters then, it doesn't matter one bit that it isn't grammatically correct, all that matters is that people know what you mean.
Same goes for everyone else I reckon, I mean we wouldn't want a forum where the less well educated or mildly dyslexic were made to feel inferior now would we?
Well so long as it works that's all that matters then, it doesn't matter one bit that it isn't grammatically correct, all that matters is that people know what you mean.
Same goes for everyone else I reckon, I mean we wouldn't want a forum where the less well educated or mildly dyslexic were made to feel inferior now would we?
On definietly not
pultneytooner
11-May-06, 13:36
the less well educated
Well educated but not as much as a well educated person.;)
Hell no, but Johns Snaxs... He must be having a laugh ;)
The others can watch it at 22:30.
... or at 2230 hours
connieb19
11-May-06, 19:02
Hell no, but Johns Snaxs... He must be having a laugh ;)If you think that's funny, he also sells coselaw..:lol:
George Brims
11-May-06, 20:29
Never mind his spelling and punctuation. Can he cook?
Saveman, three (no more, no less) dots at the end of a sentence is not "overuse of fullstops", it's an ellipsis. It means you're leaving something unsaid, or there's more to come.
Chobbersjnr
11-May-06, 20:43
ahhhhhhhhh
you've started something here jied
I love the over-use of full stops.......
I personally find the. Best use of the is when. Your just not sure. When you should use. Them so scatter them at. Random
lassieinfife
11-May-06, 20:54
Mi spein and gramer n puntuatio, al to hek..........so i's the numpty in the corner:lol:
scrapydoo
11-May-06, 20:56
You know what this is really starting to grate on me!
Jeid, who died and made you the king of spelling and punctuation?
As long as i can read what someone has written thats all that matters to me, i certainly will not be losing sleep over some missing punctuation or spelling mistakes. I'm sorry to say but if having a go about peoples spelling and punctuation is all you can go on about you need to get a life .
pultneytooner
11-May-06, 20:57
Bad grammar is either another mans creative english or the halitosis of the internet.
pultneytooner
11-May-06, 20:59
Jeid will now be monitored for any grammatical errors;)
Chobbersjnr
11-May-06, 21:02
well I call him the nazi
not everyone is blessed with perfect english but when it's like trying to decode some strange text from another land I sometimes don't even bother looking past the 1st sentence
it's. like CHEUCHTUR said. knowing wh.ere to. put the puncutaion. can be handy...,,.sometimes.
reminds of readin' a paper going down gorgy in a corporation bus reading that
Thats Mr Bin Liner to you, young Slobbers. Now where do i ! add the ? other bits that ; aint full stops@
Chobbersjnr
11-May-06, 22:02
Thats Mr Bin Liner to you, young Slobbers. Now where do i ! add the ? other bits that ; aint full stops@
where do you add........as in where do you put them..................don't tempt me rubbish recepticle:Razz [lol]
Am i on the wrong forum? i am sure i logged into Caithness.org, this is more like perfectionist.org:roll:
Excuse me, but I certainly never, and won't ever, claim to be a grammatical genius. To be perfectly honest, it never used to bother me in the slightest. Lately it's just something that annoys the hell out of me.
If anything, I thought this show looked quite funny. It looks like it will be similar to 'Have I Got News For You'.
I'm gonna watch it tomorrow. Nearly bed time for me.
Txt talk annoy's me, i find it very hard to understand. As for spelling and where do i put...???,,,,does'nt bother me in the slightest.
Have i got news for you, yip enjoy it myself.
scrapydoo
11-May-06, 22:29
Am i on the wrong forum? i am sure i logged into Caithness.org, this is more like perfectionist.org:roll:
Angela, I couldn't agree more! Thats a good one perfectionist.org lol
Jeid so poor grammar annoys you, well people always complaining because someone spelt something wrong or never put a full stop at the end of a sentence really gets on my nerve's. I just don't see the need to belittle someone who is not that good at spelling and punctuation.
Text talk is one of the most annoying things ever. Even when I write a text message, I use full words. I tend not to reply to "hey, how r u doing?" texts.
Full stops and commas are kinda important I guess. If I just wrote a long sentance or paragraph and didn't use any grammar it would be annoying for anyone to read probably wouldn't make sense either I'm sure it'd get tiring (No full stops on purpose).
Angela, I couldn't agree more! Thats a good one perfectionist.org lol
Jeid so poor grammar annoys you, well people always complaining because someone spelt something wrong or never put a full stop at the end of a sentence really gets on my nerve's. I just don't see the need to belittle someone who is not that good at spelling and punctuation.
Now hang on a minute mate, I'm not having a go or pointing fingers at anyone. In fact, on the music forum, it's a light hearted joke. See Chobbers posts.
If it annoys you, fair enough, you've seen the title of the thread and read the original post. I posted this light heartedly. You've taken it the wrong way. Up to yourself. Maybe you should learn to relax a bit.
Text talk is one of the most annoying things ever. Even when I write a text message, I use full words. I tend not to reply to "hey, how r u doing?" texts.
Full stops and commas are kinda important I guess. If I just wrote a long sentance or paragraph and didn't use any grammar it would be annoying for anyone to read probably wouldn't make sense either I'm sure it'd get tiring (No full stops on purpose).
I have seen long paragraphs with no comma's or fullstops, which can be hard to understand. But if someone puts their comma's etc in the wrong place does that really matter?
I have seen long paragraphs with no comma's or fullstops, which can be hard to understand. But if someone puts their comma's etc in the wrong place does that really matter?
At least they're trying.
My dad used to speak to e-mail me without any full stops. It used to take me about half an hour to understand it :P
Chobbersjnr
11-May-06, 22:50
I have seen long paragraphs with no comma's or fullstops, which can be hard to understand. But if someone puts their comma's etc in the wrong place does that really matter?
well yeah it does really
hence my comparison to reading a paper on a corporation bus going through gorgy & dalry in edinberooga
not that you can't decode the point of the post without it
At least they're trying.
My dad used to speak to e-mail me without any full stops. It used to take me about half an hour to understand it :P
That's how i feel, at least they are trying that includes me.:D
Niall Fernie
12-May-06, 08:40
LOL, you lot should try a programming language, then you'll really learn to appreciate punctuation. Here's one line of a script with about 420 similar lines from something I'm working on just now:
$images_html .= "<div style=\"float:left;width:177px;height:150px;padding:3px;ma rgin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;font-size:11px;font-family:Arial,Sans Serif;text-align:center;\"><a href=\"".$this_page_url."?gallery=".$this_gallery."&image=".$x."\"><div style=\"width:150px;height:118px;background: url('".$photohome.$images[$x][1]."_s.jpg');background-position:center center;background-repeat:no-repeat\"></div>".$images[$x][0]."</a></div>\n";
One punctuation mark out of place and none of it works. The above example is one of the simpler lines of code in the project. Finding bugs is fun :eek:
Dare anyone complain about punctuation after all that; you have my admiration Niall!
By the way, I have heard your name pronounced "like what it is spelt" but have always presumed it is pronounced "Neil"; please put me out of my misery, Ann
Chobbersjnr
12-May-06, 13:55
LOL, you lot should try a programming language, then you'll really learn to appreciate punctuation. Here's one line of a script with about 420 similar lines from something I'm working on just now:
$images_html .= "<div style=\"float:left;width:177px;height:150px;padding:3px;ma rgin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;font-size:11px;font-family:Arial,Sans Serif;text-align:center;\"><a href=\"".$this_page_url."?gallery=".$this_gallery."&image=".$x."\"><div style=\"width:150px;height:118px;background: url('".$photohome.$images[$x][1]."_s.jpg');background-position:center center;background-repeat:no-repeat\"></div>".$images[$x][0]."</a></div>\n";
One punctuation mark out of place and none of it works. The above example is one of the simpler lines of code in the project. Finding bugs is fun :eek:
ach away.............that's the opening line of my new song[lol]
Niall Fernie
12-May-06, 14:46
Ann, you are quite correct. It is pronouced as it is written however I think the pronunciation changes from region to region, the "Ni" part changes, in Ireland its "nigh" and in Scotland its "nee" making it sound like Neil when its actually "Nee-al", so I'm told anyway...
Chobbers, if you can put that line to music, I'll send you the rest of the script (now around 500 lines) and a song from that would make you a geek hero worldwide :lol:
On another grammar note, anyone seen the burger van at Homebase?
Johns Snaxs. Surely John's Snax would work better ;)
Menu for that van used to have Stake Rolls on it.
Chobbersjnr
12-May-06, 15:05
Ann, you are quite correct. It is pronouced as it is written however I think the pronunciation changes from region to region, the "Ni" part changes, in Ireland its "nigh" and in Scotland its "nee" making it sound like Neil when its actually "Nee-al", so I'm told anyway...
Chobbers, if you can put that line to music, I'll send you the rest of the script (now around 500 lines) and a song from that would make you a geek hero worldwide :lol:
if you could have a computerised voice reciting it in no particular rhythm?? watch this space:cool:
pultneytooner
12-May-06, 16:58
On another grammar note, anyone seen the burger van at Homebase?
Johns Snaxs. Surely John's Snax would work better
Menu for that van used to have Stake Rolls on it.
If you think that's funny, he also sells coselaw..
What's this, taking the micky out of the people that own this van.
What gives you the right to do that on here?
Maybe you should keep remarks of this nature to yourself or is your grammar so perfect you feel justified in making a fool out of someone else?
As long as the food is good I couldn't care less what their spelling is like and neither should you.
absolutelyrightweshouldntbotheraboutanyofthatstuff andjustrightandspelleggsaktlyaswewantowhyshouldwer eallybotherhowthingsarespeltorpungchewatedanywayit isjustaloadofkeekch
ithinkpeeplewhocommentabouthisarejustaloadofsnobsa ndshouldleaveuspeeplewhatarentmuchgoodatthisallown
:lol:
Believe it or not. some retailers deliberately spell something wrong to attract attention!
Do you think it works?????......
Chobbersjnr
12-May-06, 18:43
absolutelyrightweshouldntbotheraboutanyofthatstuff andjustrightandspelleggsaktlyaswewantowhyshouldwer eallybotherhowthingsarespeltorpungchewatedanywayit isjustaloadofkeekch
ithinkpeeplewhocommentabouthisarejustaloadofsnobsa ndshouldleaveuspeeplewhatarentmuchgoodatthisallown
:lol:
PRICELESS
LMAO[lol]
What's this, taking the micky out of the people that own this van.
What gives you the right to do that on here?
Maybe you should keep remarks of this nature to yourself or is your grammar so perfect you feel justified in making a fool out of someone else?
As long as the food is good I couldn't care less what their spelling is like and neither should you.
Come away now. You would need to be a pretty dried up old fart if you could not see the funny side in some of the mistakes in life. That is mistakes, rather than misteaks ;o)
I am sure that if you read a novel where Dracula was killed with a steak driven through his heart you would manage a wee titter. Then again, perhaps that would be taking the mickey out of BSE victims and would leave people with a chip on their shoulder ;o)
pultneytooner
12-May-06, 19:37
Come away now. You would need to be a pretty dried up old fart if you could not see the funny side in some of the mistakes in life. That is mistakes, rather than misteaks ;o)
I am sure that if you read a novel where Dracula was killed with a steak driven through his heart you would manage a wee titter. Then again, perhaps that would be taking the mickey out of BSE victims and would leave people with a chip on their shoulder ;o)
We are into name-calling now, how puerile!
The fact is that the people you are slagging off are from wick and mostly everyone in this town knows who they are so therefore you are leaving them open to ridicule but we all should see the funny side, eh?
Maybe we should all have a 'titter' at their expense, would that make you feel better and more superior!
What is it with people who cant spell these days anyway? Fair enough my grammar isn't up to much but at least I try and spell everything correctly and if not correctly it's in a form that can be understood (phone/fone, school/skool etc). Is it just me or do you have to ask people to text you again on your phone or messenger service just to understand what the other person is trying to say?
Moncur - I love that one. cant - as in a speed that horses jog along, or can't as in cannot. lol:roll:
pultneytooner
12-May-06, 20:23
absolutelyrightweshouldntbotheraboutanyofthatstuff andjustrightandspelleggsaktlyaswewantowhyshouldwer eallybotherhowthingsarespeltorpungchewatedanywayit isjustaloadofkeekch
ithinkpeeplewhocommentabouthisarejustaloadofsnobsa ndshouldleaveuspeeplewhatarentmuchgoodatthisallown
:lol:
trust DW to take it to the extreme.
trust DW to take it to the extreme.
[lol] eeheeh tniopaekamotnoitatpmetehttsisertnaC
Cedric Farthsbottom III
12-May-06, 20:34
I love the over-use of full stops.......
Me too Saveman..................lovely wee things they are................so easy to do as well..................the power in one finger...............
Ahhhh!!!!The power of a finger,pull one and a fart is released.Best of all,the insanity of an itchy bum!!!!!!!!:lol: :lol:
Chobbersjnr
12-May-06, 21:23
[lol] eeheeh tniopaekamotnoitatpmetehttsisertnaC
I didn't know you were irish:roll:
Bingobabe
12-May-06, 21:31
Well so long as it works that's all that matters then, it doesn't matter one bit that it isn't grammatically correct, all that matters is that people know what you mean.
Same goes for everyone else I reckon, I mean we wouldn't want a forum where the less well educated or mildly dyslexic were made to feel inferior now would we?I am dyslexic and i am not uneducated its only people like you who try to make your self feel superior by belittling people such as myself.
Bingobabe
12-May-06, 21:33
You know what this is really starting to grate on me!
Jeid, who died and made you the king of spelling and punctuation?
As long as i can read what someone has written thats all that matters to me, i certainly will not be losing sleep over some missing punctuation or spelling mistakes. I'm sorry to say but if having a go about peoples spelling and punctuation is all you can go on about you need to get a life .Well said scrappy doo.
pultneytooner
12-May-06, 21:36
I am dyslexic and i am not uneducated its only people like you who try to make your self feel superior by belittling people such as myself. Well said, bingobabe, as fred should realise, dyslexia is no benchmark for intelligence also there are 'uneducated' people vastly more intelligent than fred could ever hope to be.
My son is a brilliant mathematician but his spelling is atrocious, each to their own!;)
I am dyslexic and i am not uneducated its only people like you who try to make your self feel superior by belittling people such as myself.
Well said bingobabe
Cedric Farthsbottom III
12-May-06, 21:39
On yourself Bingobabe
Bingobabe
12-May-06, 21:50
Yes i cant be bothered way people who are so far up there own you know what.What gets on my nerves they seem to forget they also have flaws and seem to thrive on other peoples insecurities ie grammar,spelling,
I am dyslexic and i am not uneducated its only people like you who try to make your self feel superior by belittling people such as myself.
I wasn't belittling you or anyone else Bingobabe, quite the opposite, I was arguing against belittling people for their spelling or grammar.
I understand that Fred did not say that dyslexic meant uneducated.
He said "the less well educated OR mildly dyslexic" and "all that matters is that people know what you mean."
Bingobabe
12-May-06, 21:53
Well so long as it works that's all that matters then, it doesn't matter one bit that it isn't grammatically correct, all that matters is that people know what you mean.
Same goes for everyone else I reckon, I mean we wouldn't want a forum where the less well educated or mildly dyslexic were made to feel inferior now would we?Now would we? Sarcasim
pultneytooner
12-May-06, 21:55
Well so long as it works that's all that matters then, it doesn't matter one bit that it isn't grammatically correct, all that matters is that people know what you mean.
Same goes for everyone else I reckon, I mean we wouldn't want a forum where the less well educated or mildly dyslexic were made to feel inferior now would we? sure looks like you were pigeonholing people, fred, wouldn't want them to feel 'inferior' now 'would we'!
Are you superior to the lesser mortal who has trouble with spelling and grammar?
Cedric Farthsbottom III
12-May-06, 21:56
Jeid.I take it if you went on to Mastermind,your specialised subject would be spelling and grammar?
I think you guys should get out more and stop taking things so god damn seriously.
I also think that Fred's statement has been taken way out of context.
Cedric Farthsbottom III
12-May-06, 22:36
I think you guys should get out more and stop taking things so god damn seriously.
I also think that Fred's statement has been taken way out of context.
Oh poor Jeids taking things so "god damn seriously":lol: :lol:
Bingobabe
12-May-06, 22:40
I think you guys should get out more and stop taking things so god damn seriously.
I also think that Fred's statement has been taken way out of context.My social life is superb but thanks for asking.
Chobbersjnr
13-May-06, 00:54
SECONDS OUT......................round TWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The Pepsi Challenge
13-May-06, 01:46
Basically, it all depends on who you're writing for; who your audience is.
sure looks like you were pigeonholing people, fred, wouldn't want them to feel 'inferior' now 'would we'!
Are you superior to the lesser mortal who has trouble with spelling and grammar?
I said "Same goes for everyone else I reckon, I mean we wouldn't want a forum where the less well educated or mildly dyslexic were made to feel inferior now would we?"
If you completely change what someone wrote you can make it mean anything you want it to mean. However, even with alteration you still didn't manage to make it say I was pigeonholing anyone or that I thought I was superior to anyone.
I said "Same goes for everyone else I reckon, I mean we wouldn't want a forum where the less well educated or mildly dyslexic were made to feel inferior now would we?"
Nowhere is there in the rules of joining this forum does it say: "no dyslexic" or "uneducated people to register".
We are all the same at the end of the day, so what if there is the over-use of fullstops..................who care's? coma's in the wrong place who care's? posts are readable,(although text talk takes me longer to read) It's one like yours fred that can be taken as sarcasim.;)
People are made to feel inferior with the subject of punctuation being brought up.
I wish my life was so boring that all i had to worry about was punctuation.:roll:
I think you guys should get out more and stop taking things so god damn seriously.
I also think that Fred's statement has been taken way out of context.
Fred taken out of context?..........Never :lol:
pultneytooner
13-May-06, 10:52
Both work. I have a clock that uses a "." instead of ":".
;)
Well so long as it works that's all that matters then, it doesn't matter one bit that it isn't grammatically correct, all that matters is that people know what you mean.
Same goes for everyone else I reckon, I mean we wouldn't want a forum where the less well educated or mildly dyslexic were made to feel inferior now would we?Your first paragraph was a dig at jeid where you sarcasticaly agreed with him, quite a common tactic in open conversation to show your actual disagreement. The second paragraph more or less translates, (sarcasticaly again), 'let's not worry about grammar as we wouldn't want dyslexics or the illeducated to feel inferior to us.
Hope this clears things up for you, fred.
If it was misconstrued then maybe you should put more thought into the wording of your posts.;)
Ius edtog etrea, ll yover exerc; iseda boutfu ll sto psan dco! mmas ands uchli. kemin utiaeb utI amb et tern ow If in dtha tmo stof thep ost smak ealo tofin teres tingpo intsa ndwh? enyo uge tdo wntoi tit rea. llyd oesnt ma kean ydif feren ceifa llsom eone iss ayin gisa lo ado fold. boll ocksan yw ay :roll:
Ius edtog etrea, ll yover exerc; iseda boutfu ll sto psan dco! mmas ands uchli. kemin utiaeb utI amb et tern ow If in dtha tmo stof thep ost smak ealo tofin teres tingpo intsa ndwh? enyo uge tdo wntoi tit rea. llyd oesnt ma kean ydif feren ceifa llsom eone iss ayin gisa lo ado fold. boll ocksan yw ay :roll:
You got over exercised about cat's and elephants too! [lol]
You got over exercised about cat's and elephants too! [lol]
Iha veb eenree duc atedno wAn gel a5an dhav eseenth eer roro fmyw aysno mo resh allis ayac rosswo rdab ou tany onei lo veyo ually ouar eall sta rsinmy fi rmam ent teeh ee ;)
Nowhere is there in the rules of joining this forum does it say: "no dyslexic" or "uneducated people to register".
We are all the same at the end of the day, so what if there is the over-use of fullstops..................who Care's? coma's in the wrong place who care's? posts are readable,(although text talk takes me longer to read) It's one like yours Fred that can be taken as sarcasim.;)
People are made to feel inferior with the subject of punctuation being brought up.
I wish my life was so boring that all i had to worry about was punctuation.:roll:
Well said Angela, I just don't understand why some people find the need to belittle people about there spelling and punctuation!
We are not all brilliant at everything! Some people will feel that there grammar is not as good as other peoples,
I know my grammar is not as good as some others on here i will not be losing sleep over it .
Iha veb eenree duc atedno wAn gel a5an dhav eseenth eer roro fmyw aysno mo resh allis ayac rosswo rdab ou tany onei lo veyo ually ouar eall sta rsinmy fi rmam ent teeh ee ;)
I'm off to have a good awld weep noo!:lol:
We are into name-calling now, how puerile!
The fact is that the people you are slagging off are from wick and mostly everyone in this town knows who they are so therefore you are leaving them open to ridicule but we all should see the funny side, eh?
Maybe we should all have a 'titter' at their expense, would that make you feel better and more superior!
For goodness sake, come down out of the pulpit and get yourself a sense of humour!!
I am sure that John will manage to get over someone laughing at his Stake Rolls ,without feeling the need to seek councelling for the psychological scars caused by those cruel and insensitive wags.
From a legal point of view though, it might be worth spelling the name correctly. What if someone purchased a stake roll thinking they were getting a stake? They might be horrified to find out that it was, in fact, steak. That would be a clear breach of trading standards and false advertising. What if the buyer was a vegetarian?
ps I am no expert but "More Superior" seem to be bad English to me. Then again let's not bother teaching the subject at all in school and while we are at it let's ban dictionaries as they are merely a tool for people to prove to others that their spelling is more superior ;o) Burn the dictionaries and no rules on spelling or grammar, that'll teach that Carol Voldermort a lesson!!
pultneytooner
13-May-06, 12:09
ps I am no expert but "More Superior" seem to be bad English to me. A bit like, 'less well educated', eh?
Then again let's not bother teaching the subject at all in school and while we are at it let's ban dictionaries as they are merely a tool for people to prove to others that their spelling is more superior ;o) Burn the dictionaries and no rules on spelling or grammar, that'll teach that Carol Voldermort a lesson!!
Maybe the problem Is not with the pupils but with the education system.
I didn't realize that john was here for your entertainment pleasure, maybe the next time you see him you can point out his errors to save anymore embarrassment.
pultneytooner
13-May-06, 12:17
If only we were all as pedantic as you.;)
Both work. I have a clock that uses a "." instead of ":".
On another grammar note, anyone seen the burger van at Homebase?
Johns Snaxs. Surely John's Snax would work better
How did I miss this thread? ;)
I always thought that "." represented a decimal place in which case, 22.30 would be 22:18 and not 22:30 which would be 22.50!
I fink its rite? but i wur nevur gud at somes at skool, :eek:
I would have thought that John would work equally well however the sign was written, however, I would agree that "John's Snax" would be more grammatically correct!
Personally, unless I was teaching somebody English Grammar, I would feel it very presumptuous of me to start correcting someone's grammar or spelling, provided they were at least making the effort.
I will confess to drawing the line at things like "Text Speak" which should be kept in the context it was intended for, in other words, as a shorthand on text-phones between consenting participants.
Fred taken out of context?..........Never :lol:
I agree Golach, I just can't imagine anybody taking fred out of context!
Who would even consider doing such a thing? :roll:
Being unnecessarily pedantic over someone's grammar and spelling can be used as a form of intimidation if not outright bullying.
I have known it used as a very public method of making people feel to be of inferior intellect in order to silence them from stating a valid point of view.
Such tactics simply show the person using them to be nothing more than an arrogant bully who will not tolerate other opinions.
People who have a genuine concern that somebody was embarrassing themselves with their grammar and/or spelling would do so quietly by use of a PM offering a little helpful advice and guidance.
Correcting somebody very visibly in full public gaze is not done for the benefit of the person being corrected but is simply a method of feeding one's ego in order to feel superior.
At least, that is the way I see it, others may disagree. (With the exception of doing such things as light hearted banter between friends)
pultneytooner
13-May-06, 15:33
My god jaws, another thing we agree on;)
Chobbersjnr
13-May-06, 15:34
SO WHAT WAS THE PROGRAMME ACTUALLY LIKE??? (sorry had to shout to be heard)
& I thought humour was banned
Chobbersjnr
13-May-06, 15:35
sorry band:p
A bit like, 'less well educated', eh?
Maybe the problem Is not with the pupils but with the education system.
I didn't realize that john was here for your entertainment pleasure, maybe the next time you see him you can point out his errors to save anymore embarrassment.
I don't get your point about the education system being the problem, perhaps you could elaborate?
I have known John for over 30 years and can tell you he would not give a dam ;O) about what people thought about his spelling. I am sure he would have a laugh about it and not come over all offended as others seem determined to do by proxy.
The way you are harping on about this is suggesting that it is a crime to be able to spell words correctly and be able to make yourself clear. People can be born dyslexic or have other learning difficulties, does this account for the entire number of people in the UK that have literacy problems?
As was said, if you are trying your best then no one can fault that. I would put the point, however, that if you have the capability to do better then what is wrong with some self-improvement? Not all UK pupils are failing exams simply because they have not got the capability.
Lighten up a little, the world is depressing enough without getting into a lather about having a smile at a small error. Like Liberace, I am sure John is crying all the way to the bank.
My god jaws, another thing we agree on;)
I do have my moments of being a reasonable person, but, fortunately, I do usually recover quite quickly! :D
pultneytooner
13-May-06, 18:42
I don't get your point about the education system being the problem, perhaps you could elaborate?
I have known John for over 30 years and can tell you he would not give a dam ;O) about what people thought about his spelling. I am sure he would have a laugh about it and not come over all offended as others seem determined to do by proxy.
The way you are harping on about this is suggesting that it is a crime to be able to spell words correctly and be able to make yourself clear. People can be born dyslexic or have other learning difficulties, does this account for the entire number of people in the UK that have literacy problems?
As was said, if you are trying your best then no one can fault that. I would put the point, however, that if you have the capability to do better then what is wrong with some self-improvement? Not all UK pupils are failing exams simply because they have not got the capability.
Lighten up a little, the world is depressing enough without getting into a lather about having a smile at a small error. Like Liberace, I am sure John is crying all the way to the bank. Regarding the education system, is it a new phenomenom that not many in their 20's and younger seems to know how to spell or is it because of the advent of the internet forum that it has become more noticeable?
I never insinuated that it was a crime to be able to spell properly, what I do suggest is that maybe it is not the person but the teaching method that is to blame, I'll accept if I am wrong but it seems to me that a higher proportion of the latest generations seem ito have serious problems with grammar.
This is not to be mocked as it is a very serious problem and needs to be addressed.
I have also known john for over 30 years and I think that he would be offended but hey, I'll ask him next time I see him.
What you need to do is address the problem not the person, why is it happening, ask yourself that and then get back to me when you have the answers.
Chobbersjnr
13-May-06, 20:13
it seems to me that a higher proportion of the latest generations seem to have serious problems with grammar.
This is not to be mocked as it is a very serious problem and needs to be addressed.
it's true.........................mobiles have a lot to do with it.........but never the less Mr. Tooner what you said there is to true
Your first paragraph was a dig at jeid where you sarcasticaly agreed with him, quite a common tactic in open conversation to show your actual disagreement. The second paragraph more or less translates, (sarcasticaly again), 'let's not worry about grammar as we wouldn't want dyslexics or the illeducated to feel inferior to us.
Hope this clears things up for you, fred.
If it was misconstrued then maybe you should put more thought into the wording of your posts.;)
Why bother putting time into the wording of my posts when you just alter the wording to suit your argument anyway.
I said "less well educated" not "illeducated", someone who is not as well educated as another person. Someone could be very well educated compared to most and still be less well educated than someone else.
I said "mildly dyslexic" not just "dyslexic", that covers quite a sizable percentage of the population.
I said "made to feel inferior" not just "feel inferior", the subject of my statement was the forum, not the mildly dyslexic or the less well educated, that is why I said "wouldn't want a forum" not "wouldn't want dyslexics".
What you need to do is address the problem not the person, why is it happening, ask yourself that and then get back to me when you have the answers.
That is my point. Sometimes the person IS the problem. An education system can only do so much. If the pupil does not want to learn then an old saying comes to mind. "You can take a horse to water but you cannot make him win the 3.35 at Newmarket"
In my youth I wanted to obtain a decent education in order to put myself in a better position to attain a job. When I started work I was able, aged 20, to afford a bicycle for the first time. I also purchased a video recorder soon after. Look at the kids of today and you see they have items such as those and much more besides before they have even left Primary school!!
We are breeding a culture of putting your hand out for things without earning them and it has made kids bored and led them to seek out other thrills. No wonder we see use of alcohol and drugs at such an early age.
There is also this PC obsession with not attaching the stigma of failure to kids, so we make exams ever easier and do away with grades that suggest you have not passed. What next? Perhaps we should label a candidate who would formerly have scored an E, as "Success impoverished"
Come to think of it, some pupils are still scoring an "E" these days, but they tend to feel better about it now ;o)
So there we have it, kids should try putting more work in as a first method to increase literacy. No matter how you regard the importance of good English, it is a fact that the way you put yourself across in both conversation and written form has a huge influence on the first impression you create on people who may use that impression to decide on whether you get that job etc etc
I suspect in some cases it is a "one size fits all" problem.
I think most people use various methods of speaking. You speak in different ways to your family, friends, boss, strangers and so on. Most people have what is called a "telephone voice" which tends to be more formal and a lot clearer than the one they would use for having a chat with somebody.
A lot of the problems with spelling, grammar, Text-speak etc is that some do not now vary the style they use according to different situations. The scribbled note, the text, the chat room and the formal letter all get the same treatment.
I admit, I can't live without a dictionary of a spell-checker not so I can find big words to impress people but simply to make sure that I am using a word I normally use is being used in it's correct context or by far the most necessary to make sure I'm nott speling it rong. Even that can be fraught though, mug and rug will both pass.
And "pass" reminds me of a Newspaper Blooper. "Once Her Majesty had opened the Bridge she then passed over it." Unfortunately a spell checker would have ignored the blooper when the report was printed with an "i" printed in place of a certein "a". (I had to give the long explanation so I didn't get a ban for urinating on the board)
I halve a spelling checker, it came with my pea-see
It plainly marks four my revue mistakes i dew knot sea
Eye strike a key and type a word and weight fout it to say
weather eye am wrong oar write it shows me strait away
As soon as a mist ache is maid it nose bee fore two long
and eye can put the era rite its rarely ever wrong
i've sent this massage threw it and i'm shore your pleased
too no it's letter prefect in every weigh
My checker tolled me sew.
Chobbersjnr
14-May-06, 13:59
sometimes I use different words to convey my meaning for being unsure of spelling
BTW if I do put up a word I'm unsure of I generally make a note (check thaT for spelling jeid:Razz )
it gets to a point though where one must decode a post before taking on the point of it & to be honest I tend not to bother
unless it's a whole new language, DW...............
NIALL....................dude I was half serious when I suggested that puncuation hell being recited in a computer voice & put to some form of musical madness[evil]
I don't post very often on the general forum, for fear of somebody finding some other meaning to what i say, and causing an argument about it. i think it's gotten way out of hand. i've noticed it in alot of the threads. this thread started out as somebody mentioning a t.v. program, and i've just read through it and it's mostly people slagging each other off, and trying to find fault with each other. i'm only 15 but i think i should tell you all to GROW UP!!!
I don't post very often on the general forum, for fear of somebody finding some other meaning to what i say, and causing an argument about it. i think it's gotten way out of hand. i've noticed it in alot of the threads. this thread started out as somebody mentioning a t.v. program, and i've just read through it and it's mostly people slagging each other off, and trying to find fault with each other. i'm only 15 but i think i should tell you all to GROW UP!!!
Nikki, I wish there were more Orger's with the common sense, you have shown, Good on you for speaking up, and good on you for not being afraid to admit you are a teenager. Too often us older folks slag off teenagers (me included), so it is a breath of fresh air when one as sensible as you seem comes in and tells off, the elderly children that come in here at times.
Chobbersjnr
14-May-06, 16:25
so once again
what was the programme like??
I don't post very often on the general forum, for fear of somebody finding some other meaning to what i say, and causing an argument about it. i think it's gotten way out of hand. i've noticed it in alot of the threads. this thread started out as somebody mentioning a t.v. program, and i've just read through it and it's mostly people slagging each other off, and trying to find fault with each other. i'm only 15 but i think i should tell you all to GROW UP!!!
Nikki - never be afraid of saying something that you feel should be said to set things right. Because so many people are afraid to speak up we now find ourselves in the state we are in with so much distressing behaviour on the streets.
Nikki - 15, going on 35 when measured for wisdom.
thanks for the comments guys, you might see a bit more of me now that I've come out of my shell a little.
i would understand the arguments if the subject was capital punsihment-right or wrong, or something along those lines, but finding fights like this is just pointless.
... and all this started because someone recommended a TV programme!!!!
... and all this started because someone recommended a TV programme!!!! Aye and no-body has told us if it was good or not yet :roll:
I don't know who to pick on first and I can't be bothered cutting and pasting so here goes.
Golach, you should know better. All teenagers are bad it's just that some are badder than others!
(I know, I've either spelt it wrong or badder doesn't exist. I know it's true though because I was one once)
Chobbersjnr, what made you trumpet up?
Laguna2 and carasmam, you are both right and for those like me who didn't even see the programme I'm not even sure what it's aim was. (But I'll keep ducking anyway, Justin Case)
Nikki, age is no barrier on here, we have posters from their teens to their 80s and many in between who can make idiots of themselves so don't worry that you might occasionally do the same.
Some of the bickering is between people who know one another either personally or via the board and is just teasing.
Some posters might jump down your throat occasionally but if others think it's unfair they will either back you up on the board or send a PM to encourage and support you.
We're all a bunch of Big Bairns on here anyway so don't be surprised if some of us throw our toys out of the pram occasionally. When that happens there's usually an adult around to bring us back into line.
mike.mckenzie
15-May-06, 12:32
Haha, look what I have just posted on the Caithness slang sayings thread. I am wound up by people using the apostrophe on plurals.
Chobbersjnr
15-May-06, 12:43
hmmm
posts pulled
is it me or is this thread originally about a TV programme???
I think humour is definately band........
Haha, look what I have just posted on the Caithness slang sayings thread. I am wound up by people using the apostrophe on plurals.
Funny i'm sure.;)
Your signature "guess who's back" you sound like a really annoying person that once was on here. Mickey M if i'm right.:roll:
mike.mckenzie
15-May-06, 15:14
Nope, you have me mistaken for someone else. I bet they don't use the apostrophe in plurals though. I used to go by the name michael.mckenzie but my profile was deleted.
Stop holding a vendetta against me because I was disparaging about your standard of english!
Nope, you have me mistaken for someone else. I bet they don't use the apostrophe in plurals though. I used to go by the name michael.mckenzie but my profile was deleted.
Stop holding a vendetta against me because I was disparaging about your standard of english!
Look mike, you came in here and insulted my English, Which you have no buisness to do. I am not holding a vendetta against you i was replying to your posts. Too many dogooders insult other orgers by picking up on their mistakes in puncuation etc, it's a disgrace to belittle other people.
now if you don't mind leave me alone,,,,,,,,,,!!!!!!!!!!!.......=====/////????????[lol]
Aye and no-body has told us if it was good or not yet :roll:
.... so did anyone watch the TV programme, and if so - was it any good?
It is on again Tuesday 16 May 8.30pm-9pm BBC4 or 2030 - 2100 ;)
don't like getting a taste of your own medicine lol:lol:
Not you again!! what's your gripe?
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