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There was a comment in the Tesco thread regarding the price of Calor gas here, I think it is crazy the price I am paying for my gas here. Where I lived previously, I was on the main supply, which was about one quarter of what I pay in Caithness to get a 4 wheeler twice a year to drop a load in my tank. Not that long ago I was paying 19 or 20p a litre, now it costs 30p a litre. What do you all think, and what fuel sorces do you use?
willowbankbear
26-Apr-06, 10:02
The towns gas, Im sorry ,I havnt a clue how much it costs, Mrs stone roses deals with it:confused:
Countryman
26-Apr-06, 10:24
Would be interested in any users of other suppliers or do calor have a monoply and are their prices the same across Scotland
The wholesale cost of the "tank gas" has gone up in price the same as heating oil. The town gas i have has gone up but in comparason to tank gas or oil its very cheap.
Mum has oil and she phones simpsons and scottish oil to ask the price and tells the 1st that the other is cheaper and so on and usually she can save a wee bit by doing that.Dunno if you can do that with gas though.
dozerboy, I almost missed seeing your post.
How recently was it when you paid 20p a litre for Calor Gas? An answer to the nearest year will suffice!
Billy Boy
26-Apr-06, 14:15
i'm with calor just now and was looking in to changing supplier's.bp was offering a 3 year deal at 20 pence per litre .but calor owne the tank and wanted 200 quid to take it out of my garden and to boot if any gas left in you got nothing back.so decided it was not worth it.so not sure what to do now:confused:
I was in two minds for a while about using oil or LPG for a new house, oil is over 40p/l and I know a couple of people in Cumbria paying around 50p/l for LPG! I didn't realise you could get it down to 20p/l, although I understand the suppliers put the price up when the first contract ends?
I've more or less decided to go for LPG as long as I can get it for less than the current cost of oil, my reasoning is gas boilers are half the price of oil boilers, are more efficient, and in general have fewer problems (at least that's what my plumber says!)
changilass
26-Apr-06, 16:50
I have a wood burning stove, have managed te get fence posts and bits of wood so not paid anything yet, but with the price of other fuel sources rising I am sure it won't be long before 'free' will be a thing of the past and that a premium will be put on the cost of wood
Billy Boy
26-Apr-06, 17:10
I was in two minds for a while about using oil or LPG for a new house, oil is over 40p/l and I know a couple of people in Cumbria paying around 50p/l for LPG! I didn't realise you could get it down to 20p/l, although I understand the suppliers put the price up when the first contract ends?
I've more or less decided to go for LPG as long as I can get it for less than the current cost of oil, my reasoning is gas boilers are half the price of oil boilers, are more efficient, and in general have fewer problems (at least that's what my plumber says!)
After your initial 3 year the price goes back up to the same as calor gas (31.9) Oil burns slower than gas so for every 1 1/2ltr of gas you burn you will burn 1ltr of oil ,so is it really a catch 22 situation.
I would love to change to oil but the cost doesnt justify it
dozerboy, I almost missed seeing your post.
How recently was it when you paid 20p a litre for Calor Gas? An answer to the nearest year will suffice!
Apologies for the size of the writing, I didna realise it was so big!!
Was paying 20p in 2004 I think it was.
We are on LPG with Flogas at 30p a litre.
Where we lived before in England we had mains gas central heating which was on all day long (apart from summer time) and it cost us £420 for whole year.
It's costing us about £150 every month!!!! And we only have the heating on a couple of hours in the morning and about 5 hours in the evening. Just can't afford it. Have at times sat in the house with gloves and a coat on!
We looked into swapping, but it's a catch 22 situation, with the tank rental etc. We still haven't decided what to do...
Apologies for the size of the writing, I didna realise it was so big!!
Was paying 20p in 2004 I think it was.
2003 ranged from 21.90 to 25.40
2004 ranged from 23.90 to 29.25
2005 ranged from 29.25 to 30.75
During the last tine I can find it below 20p was in December 2000 when it was 19.9p per litre. Since then the price of Crude Oil which is what the price is based on has risen from less than 30$ per barrel to 75$ per barrel.
I don't know how that rise compares with mains gas, perhaps somebody could help with that.
Don't worry about the size of the writing, put that down to me being picky.
We are on LPG with Flogas at 30p a litre.
Where we lived before in England we had mains gas central heating which was on all day long (apart from summer time) and it cost us £420 for whole year.
It's costing us about £150 every month!!!! And we only have the heating on a couple of hours in the morning and about 5 hours in the evening. Just can't afford it. Have at times sat in the house with gloves and a coat on!
Is gas heating that inefficient or is your boiler needing a service? Are you sure you aren't losing gas somewhere?
Countryman
27-Apr-06, 14:03
£150 a month seems high - we use it morning and night plus during the day when it is cold "most days during the winter" plus gas hob and hot water - we pay £79 a month which we think is expensive.
Billy Boy
27-Apr-06, 14:13
Is gas heating that inefficient or is your boiler needing a service? Are you sure you aren't losing gas somewhere?
gas is not that inefficient i pay £85 a month and that's with it on 12 hour's a day most day's anyway except summer,and my boiler is 18 year's old and not very energy efficient so i think your right it must need a service or there's something else very wrong:confused:
We are on LPG with Flogas at 30p a litre.
Where we lived before in England we had mains gas central heating which was on all day long (apart from summer time) and it cost us £420 for whole year.
It's costing us about £150 every month!!!! And we only have the heating on a couple of hours in the morning and about 5 hours in the evening. Just can't afford it. Have at times sat in the house with gloves and a coat on!
We looked into swapping, but it's a catch 22 situation, with the tank rental etc. We still haven't decided what to do...
£150 per month is a huge amount of gas to use. There are three possible reasons.
1. Gas leaking away.
2. Very inefficient boiler. If it's an old one which is running poorly it could be worth replacing it with a modern boiler, they're not overly expensive, possibly little more than changing gas supplier and could pay for itself quite quickly.
3. Heat leaking away. Does the house have as much insulation as is practical to install? Government grants are available for attic and cavity wall insulation.
Quick question. Does anyone know how much a 47kg bottle of LPG costs to refill?
footie chick
27-Apr-06, 15:41
£51.00 for a 47kg gas bottle I think?
Whitewater
27-Apr-06, 15:46
If you are unable to get town mains gas, the bottled variety is very expensive. I changed from solid fuel to oil about 7 years ago now, I chose the oil simply because I could not get mains gas and the bottle variety was about 3 times the price of oil.
We are on LPG with Flogas at 30p a litre.
Where we lived before in England we had mains gas central heating which was on all day long (apart from summer time) and it cost us £420 for whole year.
It's costing us about £150 every month!!!! And we only have the heating on a couple of hours in the morning and about 5 hours in the evening. Just can't afford it. Have at times sat in the house with gloves and a coat on!
We looked into swapping, but it's a catch 22 situation, with the tank rental etc. We still haven't decided what to do...
I have similar problem. My heating is on twice a day for a couple of hours and it just drinks the gas, but when only the hot water is on over the summer, the gas lasts for ages. I have an old boiler and radiators which I probably should get changed for a new more efficient condensing boiler. I have about 2 fills a year at about £300 odd quid every time. My house already has cavity wall insulation and loft insulation but it doesn't seem that good.
footie chick
27-Apr-06, 20:28
do you have thermostats on your radiators?
riggerboy
27-Apr-06, 22:51
we have oil heating and use 2 tank fulls a year about 2400 ltrs that works out about £800 a year, gas can be very much more, but after having a closed in fire i love the oil
do you have thermostats on your radiators?
No, I don't as they are quite aged, which I imagine is also part of the problem. The radiators are also the older flatter type without fins, so they are not great at actually transferring the heat to the room. They are plenty hot to the touch, they are just selfish at giving it out!!
I have similar problem. My heating is on twice a day for a couple of hours and it just drinks the gas, but when only the hot water is on over the summer, the gas lasts for ages. I have an old boiler and radiators which I probably should get changed for a new more efficient condensing boiler. I have about 2 fills a year at about £300 odd quid every time. My house already has cavity wall insulation and loft insulation but it doesn't seem that good.
We've only lived up here since last September, so not sure how much gas we will use for just the water over summer time.
Don't know how old the boiler is, but when the heating is on it's nice and cosy. We did ask about a new boiler, but one plumber couldn't source a new lpg boiler, another one never turned up and we had no response from HydroElectic (were thinking about an electric boiler).
Gleaner Oil And Gas In Elgin Are Cheaper That Calor They Are In Caithness Most Weeks.
Apologies for the size of the writing, I didna realise it was so big!!
Was paying 20p in 2004 I think it was.
I've got a mate that is paying 21p per litre from BP for his gas. He went to them to cancel and change to oil and they came up with an offer of 21p and £350 to replace his old boiler with a new one. Well worth calling their Bluff!
I also know the calor gas rep and they will go as low as 23p per litre at a push.
So......Go on folks give them a push and see what happens.
i'm with calor just now and was looking in to changing supplier's.bp was offering a 3 year deal at 20 pence per litre .but calor owne the tank and wanted 200 quid to take it out of my garden and to boot if any gas left in you got nothing back.so decided it was not worth it.so not sure what to do now:confused:
Yet again I had a mate who changed from gas to oil, the tank sat in his garden for ages so he told them he was charging them storage for the tank. Needless to say he didnt have to pay anything for them to take it away.
We are on LPG with Flogas at 30p a litre.
Where we lived before in England we had mains gas central heating which was on all day long (apart from summer time) and it cost us £420 for whole year.
It's costing us about £150 every month!!!! And we only have the heating on a couple of hours in the morning and about 5 hours in the evening. Just can't afford it. Have at times sat in the house with gloves and a coat on!
We looked into swapping, but it's a catch 22 situation, with the tank rental etc. We still haven't decided what to do...
I'd get your boiler serviced !! There's no way it should be costing you that much. Try BP for a deal too.
do you have thermostats on your radiators?
Thermostats on your radiators only control the heat in the room and not the boiler. The boiler should be switched on / controlled by a room thermostat which is normally located in a hallway. The timer / programmer sets the time for the boiler coming on for heating / hot water but if the temperature on the room stat hasn't been met then the boiler will not run. Same applies for hot water, this would be controlled through a pipe stat.
footie chick
28-Apr-06, 23:27
Thermostats on your radiators only control the heat in the room and not the boiler. The boiler should be switched on / controlled by a room thermostat which is normally located in a hallway. The timer / programmer sets the time for the boiler coming on for heating / hot water but if the temperature on the room stat hasn't been met then the boiler will not run. Same applies for hot water, this would be controlled through a pipe stat.
Yeah but if you werent using a room u could turn the temp down and increase it in the room u were using thus using less fuel no! Hallway thermostats are the least economical around unless you want the whole house at the same temp?:confused
Yeah but if you werent using a room u could turn the temp down and increase it in the room u were using thus using less fuel no! Hallway thermostats are the least economical around unless you want the whole house at the same temp?:confused
Sounds good........But NO ! The thermostats on the rads have no effect on the boiler, they dont slow it down or speed it up when you alter them. It'll run slower / cooler if you turn down the stat on the boiler itself. The room stat controls the on and off. It switches the boiler on when the temperature is below the temp you have it set at, as long as timer etc on too. The trv's on the rads then control each room individually by opening and closing the valves to let hot water into the rads or not if the trv's are set low.
The Room stat is normally positioned in a central location in the house so in theory it will be at a similar temperature to other rooms near it.
footie chick
28-Apr-06, 23:38
Sounds good........But NO ! The thermostats on the rads have no effect on the boiler, they dont slow it down or speed it up when you alter them. It'll run slower / cooler if you turn down the stat on the boiler itself. The room stat controls the on and off. It switches the boiler on when the temperature is below the temp you have it set at, as long as timer etc on too. The trv's on the rads then control each room individually by opening and closing the valves to let hot water into the rads or not if the trv's are set low.
The Room stat is normally positioned in a central location in the house so in theory it will be at a similar temperature to other rooms near it.
Turn the boiler down lower until you can still get the same results using less fuel?
To use less fuel you can do any of the following:
Buy and Fit a new Gas Condensing Boiler which takes more heat out of your flue gasses thus runs more effiently. Standard boilers run around 80% efficient whilst the new condensing boilers run approx 98% efficient therefor you get more heat for your money.
Make sure your house is well insulated, Windows being double glazed also helps.
Fit a room stat which will turn on your boiler when the house temp drops to a certain temperature. Having no room stat and a timer just means the boiler comes on at the times you set and runs until the time you set it to stop. A room stat would stop this.
Say for example you have the timer set for 6am to warm up the house for getting up and have it going until 8 when you leave for work, then on again at 4.30pm for heating up house for coming home from work at 5pm. Now if you have no room stat fitted the boiler will run at the times you set, even if its been a really nice day and the house is hot inside. However if you have a stat and it senses that its hot in the house it will over ride the timer and switch of the boiler. Thus saving you money.
Turning down trv's are not going to make a difference to the boiler running.
Turning down the boiler stat makes the water colder so it'll not warm the rooms the same.
Believe me Room Stats are very good.
I did ask a mannie in Wick to come to my house and give me advice on what he would recomend doing with my hungry heating. The whole thing turned into a nightmare. We settled on a new condensing combi boiler (LPG) and they were going to fit all new finned radiators with thermstats on, put a new radiator in my back porch, and get a new fire front. When we chose the boiler, he then said that one was not available for another 6 months in LPG so would have to pay another couple of hundred pounds for the next model up. I took some time to think about it, and decided on another plan. Every time I decided on something the mannie would talk us out of it again, and it was he that had suggested it in the first place. Eventually I told him to forget the whole thing, and to this day I have done nothing about it, and it continues to cost a fortune. Can anyone guess who this mannie was or what company in Wick he worked for? I will never use them again for anything. Talking us into an idea and then talking us out of it again, many times over! Just got sick of the whole thing!!
I was in two minds for a while about using oil or LPG for a new house, oil is over 40p/l and I know a couple of people in Cumbria paying around 50p/l for LPG! I didn't realise you could get it down to 20p/l, although I understand the suppliers put the price up when the first contract ends?
I've more or less decided to go for LPG as long as I can get it for less than the current cost of oil, my reasoning is gas boilers are half the price of oil boilers, are more efficient, and in general have fewer problems (at least that's what my plumber says!)
Go for oil - the boilers are clean and reliable as you would be burning 28sec kerosene.
I looked into the cost of converting storage radiators into a full calor system and found I would be saving nothing. Went for oil and never regretted it.
Get a big plastic tank, though - it allows you to fill up when the prices drop.
I get the impression that a lot of people that praise Calor gas - just don't want to admit that they made a mistake by installing it.
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