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Nacho
29-Nov-09, 17:37
this years winning picture is mesmerising

http://forum.caithness.org/[IMG]http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv263/peanutbutterbutty/01.jpghttp://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv263/peanutbutterbutty/01.jpg

the link explains how he set up the shot

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/visit-us/whats-on/temporary-exhibitions/wpy/photo.do?photo=2554&category=56&group=4

Scout
30-Nov-09, 15:50
I don't know if any one has notice but the picture was taken on Film. So Film is not dead. I have gone back to film. It is fun and I think better colors ;)

cuddlepop
30-Nov-09, 16:36
Thats a brilliant caption of the "wolf" or is it something else?:confused

John Baikie
30-Nov-09, 16:37
I don't know if any one has notice but the picture was taken on Film. So Film is not dead. I have gone back to film. It is fun and I think better colors ;)

i'd love to hand a medium format camera and a few rolls of film to some of the so called experts these days and see what they can produce. Shot on transperency film as well. None of this shooting RAW, fixing it later and then applying HDR/Photoshop techniques.

nirofo
30-Nov-09, 16:52
i'd love to hand a medium format camera and a few rolls of film to some of the so called experts these days and see what they can produce. Shot on transperency film as well. None of this shooting RAW, fixing it later and then applying HDR/Photoshop techniques.

Got to agree, film gives something to a photograph that digital can't match yet. Having said that, you need to know how to handle it and that doesn't come quickly, it can take years of practice. Unlike digital transparency film is unforgiving, even when scanned into digital format, if it wasn't right to start with then it's difficult to do anything with it, even in Photoshop.

nirofo.

Mystical Potato Head
30-Nov-09, 20:04
i'd love to hand a medium format camera and a few rolls of film to some of the so called experts these days and see what they can produce. Shot on transperency film as well. None of this shooting RAW, fixing it later and then applying HDR/Photoshop techniques.

That really does come over as a bit of old school elitism.
Its a bit like me going up to someone who has made a camera adaptor with a 0.75mm pitch thread on a CNC lathe and saying,"Very good but could you make that thread on the manual lathe that i learnt on 20 odd years ago when i were a lad,lad.
I wouldn't call the CNC operators expertise into question just because he is using a more modern technique.

kas
30-Nov-09, 23:08
All I can say is thank goodness for digital. I would never have managed film.

The shot is great Nacho. I do not know how the judges manage to choose the winners in this competition as the standard is something else. I attended a talk by David Maitland in September, who won European wildlife photgrapher of the year in 08. It was brilliant.

Here is another wildlife photography set up, that took my breath away.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1213851/Stunning-shots-thirsty-bats-swooping-lick-water-garden-pond.html

Mystical Potato Head
30-Nov-09, 23:28
There's dedication in that setup Kas.
My favourite in Wildlife Photographer of the year was this one.
Big Fjord,Little Auks.

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/visit-us/whats-on/temporary-exhibitions/wpy/photo.do?photo=2529&category=12&group=1

kas
30-Nov-09, 23:38
It sure is a set up and a half.

Nice one they are all totally awesome are they not. I could look at them all day.
However this one below has to be one of my all time favourite photos, it was in last years competition.

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/visit-us/whats-on/temporary-exhibitions/wpy/prevPhoto.do?photo=2374&year=2008&category=48

Mystical Potato Head
01-Dec-09, 00:47
Awesome indeed.Think its time to quit while i'm behind. ;)

John Baikie
01-Dec-09, 15:53
That really does come over as a bit of old school elitism.
Its a bit like me going up to someone who has made a camera adaptor with a 0.75mm pitch thread on a CNC lathe and saying,"Very good but could you make that thread on the manual lathe that i learnt on 20 odd years ago when i were a lad,lad.
I wouldn't call the CNC operators expertise into question just because he is using a more modern technique.


It certainly wasn't meant that way MPH, I just see a lot of photographers amateur and professional who can't even get the exposure right, and wonder how they'd have coped without RAW and Photoshop to fix the errors.

Mystical Potato Head
01-Dec-09, 18:06
It certainly wasn't meant that way MPH, I just see a lot of photographers amateur and professional who can't even get the exposure right, and wonder how they'd have coped without RAW and Photoshop to fix the errors.

No probs John,point taken.:)

Kenn
01-Dec-09, 19:40
I never cease to be amazed by the time and expertise professional photographers put into getting stunning shots of wild life.
What does it matter that they have access to equipment that most of can't even dream of ever owning if they can come up with the fantastic results that they do?
It's even more to be praised when people manage to do it with very basic equipment and for most amateurs that's all we have plus a great deal of patience.
I would still prefer to use my conventional cameras which normally produce much better results but the cost of film, developing etc; now makes it an expensive luxury.

North Light
03-Dec-09, 15:21
A stunning image, the ability to "See", plan and create this photograph is what really impresses me.

Reference the Transparency Film vs Digital discussion, I think that the top end DSLR's and Medium Format backs do now more than rival their equivalent size transparency film, but to make the most of this equipment you need to be as diligent about technique as you would have been with transparency film.

I swapped from film to digital in 2003, using a Canon D60, I found that dynamic range of the sensor was similar if not worse than transparency film, my years of using films such as Fuji Velvia were very helpful in the transition.

Deemac
03-Dec-09, 22:48
I see this film to digital debate similar to my interest in music production (and listening).

Vinyl records were generally plagued by surface noise, cracks, pops, rumble and you had the inconvenience of having to physically turn over to access the other side! Granted with very expensive replay systems and immaculate conditions the audio output was stellar.

Digital audio (particularly 24bit, 96khz recordings in 5:1 surround) is truly sublime and for me having the my entire collection reduced to hard drive instant, searchable playback is difficult to resist.

Photography has taken the same transition for me. At work medium format film was the day to day norm. (C41 & E6). Now digital is king and I see no reason why (particularly in a commercial environment) I'd ever want to go back to it. HDR and photoshop are wonders of the modern bitmap age.

The image is very, very good and the planning fabulous (but I'd have liked the wolf to have been very slightly more to the right so the back left leg was not obscured by the gate post!!)

John Baikie
04-Dec-09, 00:03
I see this film to digital debate similar to my interest in music production (and listening).

Vinyl records were generally plagued by surface noise, cracks, pops, rumble and you had the inconvenience of having to physically turn over to access the other side! Granted with very expensive replay systems and immaculate conditions the audio output was stellar.

Digital audio (particularly 24bit, 96khz recordings in 5:1 surround) is truly sublime and for me having the my entire collection reduced to hard drive instant, searchable playback is difficult to resist.

Photography has taken the same transition for me. At work medium format film was the day to day norm. (C41 & E6). Now digital is king and I see no reason why (particularly in a commercial environment) I'd ever want to go back to it. HDR and photoshop are wonders of the modern bitmap age.

The image is very, very good and the planning fabulous (but I'd have liked the wolf to have been very slightly more to the right so the back left leg was not obscured by the gate post!!)


Now that IS taking the proverbial Duncan :lol:

Deemac
04-Dec-09, 00:21
Go on John, enlighten me on the error of my ways. As ever I'm more than happy to learn . . . . . ;-))

John Baikie
04-Dec-09, 00:51
No no no, no error of your ways, just laughing at the last part :)
I was imagining the guy trying endless nights to get the legs right that's all

Bobinovich
04-Dec-09, 10:19
Oi Wolfie - get back & do another take I *still* haven't got your leggies in [lol]

John Baikie
19-Dec-09, 21:50
wee bit of scandal around this image now...
http://www.suomenluonto.fi/bbcs-nature-photo-competition-judge-admits-winner-photo-investigated-due-to-fraud-allegations

Mystical Potato Head
19-Dec-09, 22:37
Thanks for that John,the plot thickens.If it is a captive wolf then he really should have got it positioned better between those posts.:lol:

John Baikie
19-Dec-09, 23:26
Thanks for that John,the plot thickens.If it is a captive wolf then he really shuold have got it positioned better between those posts.:lol:


exactly my thoughts :lol:

kara
22-Dec-09, 16:59
have you seen this ?
Experts Cry Wolf Over 'Faked' Wildlife Pic



http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20091222/tod-experts-cry-wolf-over-faked-wildlife-870a197.html