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The Angel Of Death
03-Nov-09, 10:36
Do you believe ? is there the possibility of them actually being out there ? What will they look like and will they be friendly ?
According to this Dude (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5gygVrD4eg&feature=player_embedded) they do and there will be a global announcement before the end of the year from the Us President and we will actually be unveiling some of the aliens who were now chummy with
Crackpot or in the know answers on a postcard ...............
If life started here then there is a slim chance of it happening elsewhere. We see evolution throughout the fossil record where independent species evolve to fill the same specific role in their environment, eg amphibians,reptiles, mammals become predators and herbivores alike so I'd tend to think that alien species would fill the same as well given that they live on an Earth-like planet. So they will have similar physiological adaptations like on Earth but with differences.
We shall wait and see if they really do exist though.
Invisible
03-Nov-09, 15:08
Do you believe ? is there the possibility of them actually being out there ? What will they look like and will they be friendly ?
According to this Dude (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5gygVrD4eg&feature=player_embedded) they do and there will be a global announcement before the end of the year from the Us President and we will actually be unveiling some of the aliens who were now chummy with
Crackpot or in the know answers on a postcard ...............
I think there is some form of Alien out there but i think that dude is no right
I think this might be a job for Scoooooooby Doo and the gang or is this more Mulder and Scully's type of thing.
The Angel Of Death
03-Nov-09, 15:55
Well in theory as long as you got a goldilocks type planet (not to hot not to cold but just right :) ) then conditions are there for "aliens" to develope how they develope etc is another story altogether but it would be foolish of is to think in an ever expanding universe that were the only ones here
As for what they would look like that would really depend on conditions that the planet / system have for example gravity air conditions etc
If life started here then there is a slim chance of it happening elsewhere.
I think you meant If life started here, then there is slim chance of it not happening anywhere else?
There are a huge number of constelations. There have to be other planets capable of sustaining life in some form. Maybe not our form. Maybe not as intelligent or as dim as we are. I would say that this planet being the only one in the Universe to have life is extremely unlikely.
I think you meant If life started here, then there is slim chance of it not happening anywhere else?
There are a huge number of constelations. There have to be other planets capable of sustaining life in some form. Maybe not our form. Maybe not as intelligent or as dim as we are. I would say that this planet being the only one in the Universe to have life is extremely unlikely.
No I don't, I think there is a slim chance of it happening.
redeyedtreefrog
03-Nov-09, 17:04
Say there's a billion billion planets in the universe, (don't quote me on that, might be more) and the chance of life is one in a billion, then a billion of those planets would have life. The universe is HUGE, and the chance of us being the only ones is very, very slim.
Metalattakk
03-Nov-09, 17:49
Say there's a billion billion planets in the universe, (don't quote me on that, might be more) and the chance of life is one in a billion, then a billion of those planets would have life. The universe is HUGE, and the chance of us being the only ones is very, very slim.
From Yahoo Answers, of all places:
There are about 400 billion stars in our galaxy alone. If each of them have the same number of planets (on average) as our own sun, then that's about 4 trillion planets in our own galaxy alone. Multiply that by an estimated 125 billion galaxies in the universe ... that's a lot of planets.
The chance of their being life on other planets is astronomically large.
Cedric Farthsbottom III
03-Nov-09, 20:29
I hope there are aliens.Probably watching us laughing their eight heads off,like we would at an episode of The Simpsons or Mock the Week.I havnae met one personally,though one of ma good mates fae work is definitely no fae this planet.:lol::lol:
Fat chance then redeyedtreefrog?
Cedric Farthsbottom III
03-Nov-09, 21:54
Say there's a billion billion planets in the universe, (don't quote me on that, might be more) and the chance of life is one in a billion, then a billion of those planets would have life. The universe is HUGE, and the chance of us being the only ones is very, very slim.
Good post frog.Cannae argue with that.Its only finding the planets thats the problem.One day,one day.:)
tiggertoo
03-Nov-09, 22:31
are we not aliens living on this planet, was we not destroying our last planet and the only chance of our survival was to find somewhere else to go,once we got here did we not start evolving into who we are today to survive and now this planet is being destroyed so have to move on, is this not why we want to find out if there is water on mars or the moon the source of life because our only chance of survival is to get of this planet before it is destroyed or have i just been smoking to much of that funny stuff :lol:
George Brims
04-Nov-09, 01:53
I work in an Astronomy Dept. We have one professor here who is very much of the opinion there is no chance of us ever making contact with any alien civilization. Even if there are a lot of them (which he doubts), they are all too far away to ever reach us. On the other hand we have another prof who is giving a talk on Thursday on discoveries of Earth-like planets, and he thinks there are a lot more of those out there than previously thought. I have to go with the latter guy, since he hired me (20 years ago this week!), though the other one is a nice bloke too.
For a good explanation of how people try to figure out how many aliens there might be out there, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
Of course having an equation is no use if you don't know what numeric values to assign to the variables.
For a good explanation of how people try to figure out how many aliens there might be out there, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
Of course having an equation is no use if you don't know what numeric values to assign to the variables.
Can't believe that you have dug up the ridiculous Drake equation! :lol:
George Brims
04-Nov-09, 22:19
Can't believe that you have dug up the ridiculous Drake equation! :lol:
Can't believe you have dug out your superior "knowledge" on yet another subject about which you know next to nothing. I have met Frank Drake and he is a very smart man. I suppose it's asking for trouble, but would you care to enlighten us as to what is "ridiculous" about the Drake Equation, besides the difficulty of determining the information needed to use it.
redeyedtreefrog
04-Nov-09, 22:27
On the other hand we have another prof who is giving a talk on Thursday on discoveries of Earth-like planets, and he thinks there are a lot more of those out there than previously thought. I have to go with the latter guy, since he hired me (20 years ago this week!), though the other one is a nice bloke too.
Is this the guy from Glasgow University? Part of the Year of Astronomy? He was giving a talk at WHS on Friday. It was quite good.
I think there is other life forms an other planets but we just dont have the technolgy to find out and i think its an interesting subject and if u go out into space i wonder how far you could go in one direction and is there and end in space there must be
I think we live in a crazy world were we are to busy arguing and fighting with other countrys when we should be all working together to get of this planet and explore more
I'm still searching with seti@home, one day, one day:)
George Brims
04-Nov-09, 23:14
Is this the guy from Glasgow University? Part of the Year of Astronomy? He was giving a talk at WHS on Friday. It was quite good.
No I'm a wee bit further away! California to be exact. We have some Year of Astronomy stuff coming up I think.
Can't believe you have dug out your superior "knowledge" on yet another subject about which you know next to nothing. I have met Frank Drake and he is a very smart man. I suppose it's asking for trouble, but would you care to enlighten us as to what is "ridiculous" about the Drake Equation, besides the difficulty of determining the information needed to use it.
And how do you know that I know "next to nothing," George Brims?
Besides the information needed to plug into it, the Drake equation parameters themselves are based solely upon conjecture.
No one is disputing that Dr. Drake is "a very smart man," and I'm sure that he has done much better work than this silly multiplication of possibilities (which is all the Drake equation is, despite Wikipedia's attempts to pad it out with an integral or two), but the popular media latch on to this fantasy multiplication of possibilities to further their desire to have us believe in extraterrestrials. :D
George Brims
05-Nov-09, 02:08
And how do you know that I know "next to nothing," George Brims?
I think it suffices to quote the philosopher Gump, F, who is fond of saying "Stupid is as stupid does".
Drake's equation simply assembles all the different factors together that could lead one to a calculation of the probability there is intelligent life some where else. It is analogous to counting the houses on the Hill of Bruan, figuring out what fraction are populated, the average number of people per household, the distribution of intelligence among humans and so on, to figure out the chances of intelligent life existing there.
redeyedtreefrog
05-Nov-09, 17:09
No I'm a wee bit further away! California to be exact. We have some Year of Astronomy stuff coming up I think.
Oh OK lol.
I think it suffices to quote the philosopher Gump, F, who is fond of saying "Stupid is as stupid does".
In other words, you have no idea, as I suspected.
Drake's equation simply assembles all the different factors together that could lead one to a calculation of the probability there is intelligent life some where else. It is analogous to counting the houses on the Hill of Bruan, figuring out what fraction are populated, the average number of people per household, the distribution of intelligence among humans and so on, to figure out the chances of intelligent life existing there.
This is what I have already said, in answer to your question, but what you fail to understand or choose not to pass on to those who have never heard of this "equation," is that the parameters in Drake's "equation" are mostly based upon conjecture and wishful thinking. As such, this is not strictly an "equation," but a probability (I prefer to use 'possibility').
George Brims
05-Nov-09, 19:53
In other words, you have no idea, as I suspected.
No, I have a perfectly clear idea. I will put it more clearly, since you are either slow on the uptake or being deliberately obtuse. My Gump quote was meant to convey that to me, just about everything you write on this forum, on whatever subject, demonstrates your comprehensive and widespread ignorance, and unwillingness to say the one thing that demonstrates usable intelligence - "I don't know".
This is what I have already said, in answer to your question, but what you fail to understand or choose not to pass on to those who have never heard of this "equation," is that the parameters in Drake's "equation" are mostly based upon conjecture and wishful thinking. As such, this is not strictly an "equation," but a probability (I prefer to use 'possibility').
What you are choosing not to pass on to those who have never heard of this equation is that you are discounting the work of a world-class scientist, because you choose to believe that some of the factors in the equation don't fit in with your world view. Which ones don't you like? Rate of star formation? Lots of that going on around the galaxy. I've helped build some of the machinery that demonstrates it. Number of stars that have planets? Lot of those out there too. Busy working (when I'm not wasting time here) on a machine that will take pictures of some of them.
As I said before, none of the factors in the Drake equation are unreasonable, though some of them may well be unfathomable for a long time to come.
No, I have a perfectly clear idea. I will put it more clearly, since you are either slow on the uptake or being deliberately obtuse. My Gump quote was meant to convey that to me, just about everything you write on this forum, on whatever subject, ...
So, you first of all imply that I do not know anything about the ridiculous Drake "equation," and then, after I demonstrated that I do, you respond with a quote from Forest Gump, and then instead of apologizing for your original incorrect, ill-founded and invalid assumption, you compound your ignorance by extending that flawed accusation across the board. You seem a little confused, George Brims! :D
What you are choosing not to pass on to those who have never heard of this equation is that you are discounting the work of a world-class scientist,
I do not need to look up my original response to this crazy claim, it was something like, "no one is disputing that Dr. Drake is a clever man." However, I cannot believe that anyone who has scientific ability would think that Drake's foremost work is this piece of SETI nonsense.
Here's part of an opinion from another forum, which agrees with my assessment -
"Drake's Equation is absolute rubbish !
"Any one with more than a 4th grade math education can see that the equation is made up of nothing more than "if's", "could be's", and "probably's", and none of it, is anything more than an attempt to secure financial funding from the taxpayer's, who are too stupid to see what [a] scam SETI really is." (Source - http://www.ufoevidence.org/newsite/commentlist.asp?resourcetype=topic&id=drakeequation )
Cedric Farthsbottom III
05-Nov-09, 22:36
Equations mean nothing,unless it solves a maths problem.Aliens exist?Cannae prove it.Gallileo was looked at like an idiot for his assumptions.Intelligent guy.One day,one day:)
Equations mean nothing,unless it solves a maths problem.Aliens exist?Cannae prove it.
Exactly right.
redeyedtreefrog
05-Nov-09, 23:07
Equations mean nothing,unless it solves a maths problem.Aliens exist?Cannae prove it.
Equations can be used to calculate probability of things, like life elsewhere. Or the chance of Stavro posting something worthwhile. Or if there's intelligent life in Westminster. They have real-world applications, not just doing maths. As for not proving aliens exist, maybe not- But we can show it's incredibly likely.
Equations can be used to calculate probability of things, like life elsewhere. Or the chance of Stavro posting something worthwhile.
:D But that's rich coming from you, redeyedtreefrog.
The only evidence for aliens is what is pumped out by Hollywood.
Mystical Potato Head
06-Nov-09, 00:28
This is just another case of what could have been an interesting subject turned into a slagging match because of one person not being willing to accept someone elses opinion.
If someone says the Drake equation is a load of bull,then they are perfectly entitled to say so.
The Drake equation consists of a large number of estimates multiplied together.The estimates in his equation are just unproven probabilites(best guesses) of something totally unknown and cannot be proved to be correct until someone can fill in the numbers, which i doubt will happen in the near future unless light speed travel with wormholes becomes a reality.
So unless the theory can be proven, it is really just a bit of science fiction,not science fact.
Whitewater
06-Nov-09, 00:56
There are alive and well in Portgower.
This is just another case of what could have been an interesting subject turned into a slagging match because of one person not being willing to accept someone elses opinion.
If someone says the Drake equation is a load of bull,then they are perfectly entitled to say so.
The Drake equation consists of a large number of estimates multiplied together.The estimates in his equation are just unproven probabilites(best guesses) of something totally unknown and cannot be proved to be correct until someone can fill in the numbers, which i doubt will happen in the near future unless light speed travel with wormholes becomes a reality.
So unless the theory can be proven, it is really just a bit of science fiction,not science fact.
So getting back a bit more to the topic, has NASA given up the biosphere idea (building a biosphere on the Moon or on Mars and having people live in it) after the poor results here on Earth?
Cedric Farthsbottom III
06-Nov-09, 20:56
Equations can be used to calculate probability of things, like life elsewhere. Or the chance of Stavro posting something worthwhile. Or if there's intelligent life in Westminster. They have real-world applications, not just doing maths. As for not proving aliens exist, maybe not- But we can show it's incredibly likely.
Equations can be used to calculate probability,agree wi ye.Maths equations give a complete answer.The Drake equation,along with others are almost like statistics.No answer,because there is no proof.The Drake Equation will only be accepted when an answer is finally given.Will it?One day,one day.Unfortunately not in my lifetime,will happen though.:)
Whatever next? :)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6536400/The-Vatican-joins-the-search-for-alien-life.html
I did hear a rumour that Voyager 1 was programmed to come to life and broadcast a set of prime numbers (universal language of intelligent beings is maths) when sufficiently far from the solar system so as to fool Earth-bound astronomers. A sort of NASA joke on the world's press and leaders. It was originally a ploy to gain more money for research and to unite Humanity in a way that it never has been before.
iss is ma theory....
i believe that aliens are 'e missing link between 'e homo-erectus and homo-sapians.
homo-erectus couldna live alongside homo-sapians as they wid eit them, they see us as pray.
so....one day, an alien came doon an impregnated 'e homo-erectus, hence....'e homo-sapians.
so basically we were animals which hes bin interfered wi, so now we no longer see each ither as pray but now we hev emotions an loyalty (weel, some o' us) an 'e ability to comprehend 'e more complex issues in life such as love, socialism an ither practical matters such as cookin, cleaning and education.
it also explains how some o' us hev psychic powers an ither abilities which are seen as 'paranormal'. it obviously came from our ancestors ;)
iss aliens hev powers beyond our comprehension an it makes sense that somewhere along wur productive line, we (some o' us) hev 'e ability til tap intil 'e powers that 'e aliens possess.
iss is ma theory....
i believe that aliens are 'e missing link between 'e homo-erectus and homo-sapians.
homo-erectus couldna live alongside homo-sapians as they wid eit them, they see us as pray.
so....one day, an alien came doon an impregnated 'e homo-erectus, hence....'e homo-sapians.
Good theory but how do you get around the snag that alien DNA will be so grossly different to ours and therefore incompatible to mix with ours?
Good theory but how do you get around the snag that alien DNA will be so grossly different to ours and therefore incompatible to mix with ours?
well, it all happened so long ago, an over 'e thousands upon thousands o' years we hev come to adapt.
how do ye know that 'e aliens DNA is completely different fie ours...?? caught any aliens lately??
ye could maybe take 'e DNA fie an ape, an compare it wi a humans, an 'e difference would point til what 'e aliens DNA would consist o'....:confused
perhaps human DNA is no so different fie an apes DNA, therefore, half ape + half alien = human!!
it wis only a bit o' sperm that 'e alien contributed, along wi some logic....
The Angel Of Death
11-Nov-09, 19:49
iss is ma theory....
i believe that aliens are 'e missing link between 'e homo-erectus and homo-sapians.
homo-erectus couldna live alongside homo-sapians as they wid eit them, they see us as pray.
so....one day, an alien came doon an impregnated 'e homo-erectus, hence....'e homo-sapians.
so basically we were animals which hes bin interfered wi, so now we no longer see each ither as pray but now we hev emotions an loyalty (weel, some o' us) an 'e ability to comprehend 'e more complex issues in life such as love, socialism an ither practical matters such as cookin, cleaning and education.
it also explains how some o' us hev psychic powers an ither abilities which are seen as 'paranormal'. it obviously came from our ancestors ;)
iss aliens hev powers beyond our comprehension an it makes sense that somewhere along wur productive line, we (some o' us) hev 'e ability til tap intil 'e powers that 'e aliens possess.
More commonly knows as the battlestar galactica theory ;)
More commonly knows as the battlestar galactica theory ;)
really?? :eek:
seems lek am on til somethin, rite enuff ;)
well, it all happened so long ago, an over 'e thousands upon thousands o' years we hev come to adapt.
how do ye know that 'e aliens DNA is completely different fie ours...?? caught any aliens lately??
ye could maybe take 'e DNA fie an ape, an compare it wi a humans, an 'e difference would point til what 'e aliens DNA would consist o'....:confused
perhaps human DNA is no so different fie an apes DNA, therefore, half ape + half alien = human!!
it wis only a bit o' sperm that 'e alien contributed, along wi some logic....
The odds would be phenomally against this from happening, how about going for a theory with the odds much less stacked against it?:lol:
The odds would be phenomally against this from happening, how about going for a theory with the odds much less stacked against it?:lol:
but surly 'e whole point o' 'e term alien, is that they are alien to us..how so we ken??
'e odds o' mary bein a virgin when she gave birth til yon holy dude is prity ''phenomally against this happenin'' but how many people believe...would swear blind infact!!?
ye choost niver know :Razz
'e odds o' mary bein a virgin when she gave birth til yon holy dude is prity ''phenomally against this happenin'' but how many people believe...would swear blind infact!!?
Ah, but was she really given the taboos of the time? :confused :cool:
The Angel Of Death
11-Nov-09, 22:48
Ah, but was she really given the taboos of the time? :confused :cool:
Either that or Joseph shouldn't have been doing that in the bath ;)
Tom Cornwall
11-Nov-09, 23:18
I hope there are aliens.Probably watching us laughing their eight heads off,like we would at an episode of The Simpsons or Mock the Week.I havnae met one personally,though one of ma good mates fae work is definitely no fae this planet.:lol::lol:
I think that we are the aliens on this planet and arrived millions of years ago when our original place got a bit of global warming perhaps..and now we're looking for people just like us to land here as well
Ah, but was she really given the taboos of the time?
but it says so in 'e bible so it must be true, along wi moses splitin 'e reid sea an feedin 1000 people wi a loff o' bried (blah blah) :roll:
i wid think that ma theory is far more believable than anything that ye'l ever read in 'e bible....:D
tryin til work oot far 'e reincarnation o' souls come in til 'iss theory....:confused
maybe 'e ither side is run by aliens too, maybe 'ats far they bide....no in a galaxy far far awie!!!
i think i mite be on til somethin here!!
Tom Cornwall
11-Nov-09, 23:30
Ah, but was she really given the taboos of the time? :confused :cool:
what does that mean in real language
what does that mean in real language
She was a raving nympho?
what does that mean in real language
he choost forgot til put a comma in....
She was a raving nympho?
More like she was ostracised by her family for bringing it in shame, they left to avoid an honor killing, and hence landed at the stable.
Invisible
12-Nov-09, 01:24
isn't alien just a name for someone from a foreign country?
Scorpio12thNov
12-Nov-09, 03:04
isn't alien just a name for someone from a foreign country?
nah... it's a weeker...:Razz
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