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As an extensive editor of Wikipedia, I noticed that a lot of people provide links to Wikipedia articles during some of the debates on here. So I was wondering if and how much you trust the information you read on Wikipedia. Personally I fully trust it and would use the information I read in professional circumstances. I think it has suffered from a bad press over the years, that it contains a lot of vandalism, but I know for a fact that most vandalism is reverted within a couple of minutes.
So, do you trust the information you read on Wikipedia?
If you actually edit Wikipedia post a link to your userpage if you don't mind us having a peak at what you edit. For myself, I'll give you a clue as to what username I go by... Let's just say I am not imaginative with usernames, so perhaps add 4 letters and 2 numbers to the end of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:
redeyedtreefrog
30-Aug-09, 00:24
I trust it but try not to reference it, I always reference a fully reliable site and check the information
I trust it but try not to reference it, I always reference a fully reliable site and check the information
Something I like to do is use Wikipedia for the information, then use the inline citations on Wikipedia as the sources I cite.
Personally I fully trust it and would use the information I read in professional circumstances.
Professional circumstances? I thought you were 17, shouldn't you be at school? :confused
Professional circumstances? I thought you were 17, shouldn't you be at at school? :confused
You and your ageism again... :D
I'm actually of to uni in a couple of weeks so I'm sure I'll encounter professionalish circumstances soon.
I didn't know they did degrees in Wikipediaism. :confused
I didn't know they did degrees in Wikipediaism. :confused
No, but they do do them in Physics.
Gosh, a wee man who believes in Psychics. I didn't think they did degrees in that either. :confused
Gosh, a wee man who believes in Psychics. I didn't think they did degrees in that either. :confused
I believe I've made my opinions on Psychics known elsewhere. :roll:
Although they probably do do degrees on that sort of thing these days - I believe they call it "Fiction". [lol]
Aaldtimer
30-Aug-09, 03:21
Chrissamighty, a 17 year old "extensive editor" of Wiki...makes me trust it even less! :roll:
Get a life son! :confused
Chrissamighty, a 17 year old "extensive editor" of Wiki...makes me trust it even less! :roll:
Which one of us do you think knows more about Physics? John Byrne? Tom Waits? Steven Erikson? Scrubs? Age does not necessarily have any correlation to intelligence. Don't worry, I'll wait whilst you look up "correlation". [disgust]
Your comment is one which annoys me. You obviously do not understand how Wikipedia works. It is about finding reliable sources, about incorporating them into articles so that everything is backed up. I don't need to know anything about what I edit, as long as I can back up what I write.
Get a life son! :confused
I have a life. No need for you to worry on that front. I like going out with friends; I like to read books. I like to play sports; I like to work on my computer (and that includes editing Wikipedia). I like going out to see live music; I like to play chess.
People aren't as black and white as you seem to think. I'm a huge nerd (or whatever you call someone who actually cares about getting the grades to get a decent job) yet I know how to socialise, I know how to make friends.
My life, is just fine.
Aaldtimer
30-Aug-09, 04:36
Aye, you remind me of myself at 17, I thought I knew it all, but then I remembered what me old Dad told me..." The more you know, the more you know you don't know"...
"Your comment is one which annoys me. You obviously do not understand how Wikipedia works. It is about finding reliable sources, about incorporating them into articles so that everything is backed up. I don't need to know anything about what I edit, as long as I can back up what I write."...
I understand fine what Wiki is all about, you can back up all you like with links to other links and all the rest of it...mostly unsubstantiated.
A bit puzzled why you should think I need to look up "correlation" though.
Is that a new word you just learned?
If you're such a sociable guy, what are you doing here on the Org at this time on a Sunday morning?
Didn't pull tonight huh?:(
Aye, you remind me of myself at 17, I thought I knew it all, but then I remembered what me old Dad told me..." The more you know, the more you know you don't know"...
I don't remember professing to know everything. However, I know a lot about the stuff I listed, more than you in all likeliness, so your idea that "because a 17 year old edits Wikipedia it must be bad", is wrong.
I understand fine what Wiki is all about, you can back up all you like with links to other links and all the rest of it...mostly unsubstantiated.
You profess to know what Wikipedia is, and how it works, yet you clearly have no idea about the workings of it. The in-line citations/references are substantiated on almost all the articles. Why is that? It is because there are thousands of editors of Wikipedia, as well as countless bots which automatically check these things. If you actually went and did some Wikipedia editing, you'd realise just how strict it is on referencing information, and on what references are acceptable - especially on articles about living people.
A bit puzzled why you should think I need to look up "correlation" though.
Is that a new word you just learned?
Humour. It really wasn't all that important a comment in the scale of things.
If you're such a sociable guy, what are you doing here on the Org at this time on a Sunday morning?
Didn't pull tonight huh?:(
Didn't go out tonight. Not every 17 year old goes out every Saturday night and drinks themselves senseless. Sometimes I like to stay in, like tonight: watch a film, watch a few of the NFL pre-season games, just relax. That's not being unsociable, that's me doing what I feel like doing: sometimes I feel like going out, sometimes I feel like staying in; it's my life and I intend to enjoy it.
Now, it's 5am. Time to go to bed. Sleep for a 5 or 6 hours, then wake up and enjoy my life some more.
Good night.
oldmarine
30-Aug-09, 05:46
I voted unsure. I thought I once detected an historical mistake, but it appeared someone edited it with a correction the next time I checked.
I really hope Alan is able to stay with the org over the next few years. I find it refreshing, although a wee bit annoying that a young whppersnapper may be able to put me in my place. Thats more to do with me than it is to do with the whippersnappers though.
Being a know all is not exclusively reserved for the young ones amongst us. If it's any consolation Alan, Aaldtimer called me a know all too. Its a condition close to his heart it seems. ;) If I ever use Wiki which is rarely I am happy to trust it.
I use wikipedia on a daily basis in my current job. I trust it and love it. However while I was at uni a few years back we were warned not to rely on it, and do NOT put it in your bibliography at the end of any assignments. One person apparently had submitted an assignment the year previous and had used nothing else but wikipedia in his bibliography - I think we were told he failed that assignment. He could have used wikipedia but not itemised it in his bibliography if he had the sense!!!
Which one of us do you think knows more about Physics? John Byrne? Tom Waits? Steven Erikson? Scrubs? Age does not necessarily have any correlation to intelligence. Don't worry, I'll wait whilst you look up "correlation". I don't know who most of those dudes are but I'm sure I know more about Psychics and I bet Steven Erikson knows more about football than you do. :lol:
I don't need to know anything about what I edit, as long as I can back up what I write.That's an extraordinarily strong claim young man. Can you back up your assertions with examples of your Wikiwork?
I'm a huge nerdThat can be cured.....
(or whatever you call someone who actually cares about getting the grades to get a decent job) yet I know how to socialise, I know how to make friends.....but it's probably not chronic.
Aye, you remind me of myself at 17, I thought I knew it all, but then I remembered what me old Dad told me..." The more you know, the more you know you don't know"...You disappoint me Aaldtimer. I actually knew I knew it all at 17. ;)
Now, it's 5am. Time to go to bed. Sleep for a 5 or 6 hours, then wake up and enjoy my life some more.
Where are you Alan sweetie? It's after midday and you're still not here digging that hole. Are you away editing Wikipedia?
Are you sure you're not confusing it with Wickipedia? That's an alternative name for the Org. We already know everything here. Had you not noticed? :cool:
I really hope Alan is able to stay with the org over the next few years. I find it refreshing, although a wee bit annoying that a young whppersnapper may be able to put me in my place. Thats more to do with me than it is to do with the whippersnappers though.
Being a know all is not exclusively reserved for the young ones amongst us. If it's any consolation Alan, Aaldtimer called me a know all too. Its a condition close to his heart it seems. If I ever use Wiki which is rarely I am happy to trust it.I doubt he'll stay once he discovers sex, drugs and staying up all night solving the problems of the world with obvious solutions that we oldies are too stupid and set in our ways to see for ourselves.
After he's done that he'll have to knuckle down to his textbooks and start studying the Barnum effect and cold reading. Auntie crayola can help you with those if you get stuck sweetie.
I don't know who most of those dudes are but I'm sure I know more about Psychics and I bet Steven Erikson knows more about football than you do. :lol:
A quick run down then:
John Byrne - Scottish playwright (The Slab Boys Trilogy, Tutti Frutti...)
Tom Waits - American singer/songwriter
Steven Erikson - Canadian author
Scrubs - American Medical comedy.
You could of course check out their pages on some sort of internet encyclopaedia. If only I could think of one...
That's an extraordinarily strong claim young man. Can you back up your assertions with examples of your Wikiwork?
The page on Canadian author David Keck is one which I wrote, without actually knowing anything about him apart from that he's Canadian and an author. I'd read his books, but I needed to find references, especially as the page had previously been created but almost instantaneously deleted probably because it violated WP:BLP (policy on Biographies of Living Persons).
That can be cured.....
....but it's probably not chronic.
Good to know. :D
Where are you Alan sweetie? It's after midday and you're still not here digging that hole. Are you away editing Wikipedia?
Away watching football, oddly enough.
Are you sure you're not confusing it with Wickipedia? That's an alternative name for the Org. We already know everything here. Had you not noticed? :cool:
I'd noticed. It would've been harder not to.
I doubt he'll stay once he discovers sex, drugs and staying up all night solving the problems of the world with obvious solutions that we oldies are too stupid and set in our ways to see for ourselves.
I'll take the fifth, or whatever number Americans are prone to stealing.
Nah, I'll stay - it can be funny on occasions.
After he's done that he'll have to knuckle down to his textbooks and start studying the Barnum effect and cold reading. Auntie crayola can help you with those if you get stuck sweetie.
A student studying? You sure you got that right?
And on a side note, the Barnum effect seems more like psychology to me, rather than psychic mumbo-jumbo.
There is one entry on Wiki, I will not say for where but its a bit East of Castletown, which is laughable for the blatent untruths it contains. That is the only thing I have ever looked at on Wiki but it is enough to make me doubt anything it may bring up.
When I looked in to this a bit further it appears that anyone can add whatever they feel like ?
When I looked in to this a bit further it appears that anyone can add whatever they feel like ?
There are limits. There are things called semi-protection where only registered users can edit, and full-protection where only admins can edit. There is a new flag review system coming in so that say you went and edited something on a page where there is a lot of activity, your edit will be looked at by registered editors before it is allowed in.
As an extensive editor of Wikipedia, I noticed that a lot of people provide links to Wikipedia articles during some of the debates on here. So I was wondering if and how much you trust the information you read on Wikipedia. Personally I fully trust it and would use the information I read in professional circumstances. I think it has suffered from a bad press over the years, that it contains a lot of vandalism, but I know for a fact that most vandalism is reverted within a couple of minutes.
So, do you trust the information you read on Wikipedia?
If you actually edit Wikipedia post a link to your userpage if you don't mind us having a peak at what you edit. For myself, I'll give you a clue as to what username I go by... Let's just say I am not imaginative with usernames, so perhaps add 4 letters and 2 numbers to the end of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:
I look up Wikipedia a lot to say what it is 'saying' about various topics but I would not trust it as anything like an accurate source. There are many errors in wikipedia due to the way that the informations is submitted. It would be true to say that in a 10 minute slot I could find 10 artiles all with errors - some signidicant so take care.
I edit Wikipedia regularly myself, on topics I am very knowledgable about, and I always cite references. If the subject I am reading about cites references then I will trust in it, otherwise I take what is written with a pinch of salt. As a few times I've come across pages edited by people who don't cite references, so what they added to the site may not be valid.
I too do not trust wikipedia, have found a few glaring mistakes, and now I find that 17 year olds are "editors", I will defiantly, trust it even less.
I too do not trust wikipedia, have found a few glaring mistakes, and now I find that 17 year olds are "editors", I will defiantly, trust it even less.
I just discovered his age myself a moment ago and find it quite shocking how someone that age can be so self-righteous and arrogant towards others...having read his opinions on topics like abortion, etc and now knowing he edits Wikipedia. I feel that you have to have a bit of life experience at least in such topics before you can pass comment on them.
I look up Wikipedia a lot to say what it is 'saying' about various topics but I would not trust it as anything like an accurate source.
Wikipedia isn't some liberal/conservative news source offering opinions on things. It presents facts, and almost all posts to the contrary will be removed.
There are many errors in wikipedia due to the way that the informations is submitted.
There was an article I read in something (can't remember what - possibly New Scientist - but I'll try to see if it is on the interweb somewhere) where they tested how quickly bad edits were reverted. Basically, almost 100% of obvious vandalizing edits were reverted with 2 minutes, so that is anything from blanking a page to inserting swear words. This is mainly due to bots.
What takes longest to be changed is bad grammar/spelling on articles which are rarely read. On the majority of articles clever vandalism, so breaking links and stuff, will be reverted almost instantly on the top 20% of articles. And there are a whole load of other stuff. I'll try to find the article so you can read for yourself.
It would be true to say that in a 10 minute slot I could find 10 artiles all with errors - some signidicant so take care.
I don't think you could find many significant errors on Wikipedia. Especially if we're talking about pages which are viewed more than once a month. And this doesn't include the odd spelling or grammar error.
I edit Wikipedia regularly myself...
You will then understand how strict editors can be about submitted information.
I too do not trust wikipedia, have found a few glaring mistakes, and now I find that 17 year olds are "editors", I will defiantly, trust it even less.
Don't make me repeat myself. I've already answered this before. Right, quick test. Which one of us knows more about Steven Erikson and his series of novels? Ok, that is a stupid question - it is me. Knowledge has nothing to do with age. You will know a lot more about some things than I do, and I know a lot more about other things than you - yet you should write the articles on all of these things because you are older than me? Utter rubbish.
I just discovered his age myself a moment ago and find it quite shocking how someone that age can be so self-righteous and arrogant towards others...having read his opinions on topics like abortion, etc and now knowing he edits Wikipedia. I feel that you have to have a bit of life experience at least in such topics before you can pass comment on them.
I really don't know where to start with you, you are quite something. You lecture me on my opinions, but did you even read you wrote on the abortion thread? They were badly constructed and factually inaccurate.
I edit Wikipedia. Feel free to try and find problems with my edits if you want. If not you really aren't in any position to use the criticism "a 17 year old edits Wikipedia - it must be bad!" are you?
Whippersnappers rule OK. :lol:
I tend to use it if looking for a quick answer, and am glad to trust it on things like music, movies, books etc. For any more technical information I would also use it, but as a quick guide and back that up with alternative sources.
I would never quote wikipedia profesionally.
I tend to use it if looking for a quick answer, and am glad to trust it on things like music, movies, books etc. For any more technical information I would also use it, but as a quick guide and back that up with alternative sources.
I would never quote wikipedia profesionally.
Wikipedia is actually extremely good on the sort of high fallutin' things I use it for. It's more accurate than any other publicly available extensive source and I have links to it on many of my web pages.
It's probably very accurate on obscure Canadian writers because those pages are written by obsessive spotty boys. ;)
It's a bloomin' miracle despite itself. :)
What complete and utter trash some people are talking in this thread! Since when in this world does a person's age determine how much factual information they know? What gives someone who is 50 years of age a higher right than someone who is 17 years of age to edit an online encyclopedia? What I have noticed in this thread is the same as I have experienced in many threads of mine. People who have nothing better to do that criticise the thread author for absolutely nothing and then, what usually happens in conclusion is the author of the thread will defend themselves which will then result in people telling the author "You've lost your argument" or "stop rising to the bait". If you don't have anything constructive to add to a thread then go and focus your business elsewhere.
I quote: "Chrissamighty, a 17 year old "extensive editor" of Wiki...makes me trust it even less!"
"Get a life son!"
It would make me say to myself - anyone who has the mind to post a comment like this would suggest that they, themselves should get a life?
Rant over and this time I am not defending myself.
Edit to add my comments on Wikipedia. I use Wikipedia to seek basic general information about a topic. Not to get in depth information about a subject but to get the general idea. I would question the reliability and robustness of certain aspects of Wikipedia. Some information is only known by certain individuals and therefore any false information which could be displayed, may not be detected by Wikipedia admins. For example, our Youth Bank page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouthBank - any false information on this page would only be detected by those associated with YouthBank and not the Wikipedia admins.
Don't make me repeat myself. I've already answered this before. Right, quick test. Which one of us knows more about Steven Erikson and his series of novels? Ok, that is a stupid question - it is me. Knowledge has nothing to do with age. You will know a lot more about some things than I do, and I know a lot more about other things than you - yet you should write the articles on all of these things because you are older than me? Utter rubbish.
I have no earthly idea who Steven Erikson or any of the others you mention are, why should I?
Are you name dropping to make yourself sound superior?
I have met youngsters such as you often, who could tell me the cubic capacity of a jar of Pickled Onions, but they could not open the jar, they had to come to such as I to gain access.
Grow up Alan16...get a degree in the university of life before you start lecturing to your betters and elders.
Grow up Alan16...get a degree in the university of life before you start lecturing to your betters and elders.I think he's doing rather well. In fact I'm actually quite impressed. But sssshhh, don't tell anyone or I'll lose my well earned reputation as the wicked witch of the west. ;)
Wikipedia is actually extremely good on the sort of high fallutin' things I use it for. It's more accurate than any other publicly available extensive source and I have links to it on many of my web pages.
It's probably very accurate on obscure Canadian writers because those pages are written by obsessive spotty boys. ;)
It's a bloomin' miracle despite itself. :)
I'm not saying it isn't, but I would always back it up. Professionally you should have access to peer reviewed sources of information.
I've used Wiki many times when compiling the org quiz but if using it in a professional capacity I'd try cross reference the information.
Get a life son! :confused
Would you prefer he was getting drunk or off his head on drugs?
I have a life. No need for you to worry on that front. I like going out with friends; I like to read books. I like to play sports; I like to work on my computer (and that includes editing Wikipedia). I like going out to see live music; I like to play chess.
I may not agree with all you say but you come across as a sensible young man, it's a shame there isn't more like you.
I have no earthly idea who Steven Erikson or any of the others you mention are, why should I?
You shouldn't. That was basically the point. But I do. And that is also basically the point. Wikipedia isn't bad because I (a 17 year old) edit it, especially when I know more about these topics than my elders.
I have met youngsters such as you often, who could tell me the cubic capacity of a jar of Pickled Onions, but they could not open the jar, they had to come to such as I to gain access.
I do not know the cubic capacity of a jar of Pickled Onions (although I could work it out if you gave me the jar and a ruler) but I could certainly open one.
Don't worry, I know it's a metaphor.
Grow up Alan16...get a degree in the university of life before you start lecturing to your betters and elders.
"Elders"? Yes.
"Betters"? Hmmm... We'll see.
Edit: I'm not sure how it took me so long to post this that it seems that it is out of place...
I've used Wiki many times when compiling the org quiz but if using it in a professional capacity I'd try cross reference the information.
Would you prefer he was getting drunk or off his head on drugs?
I may not agree with all you say but you come across as a sensible young man, it's a shame there isn't more like you.
Great attitude and one that society needs more of.
I think he's doing rather well. In fact I'm actually quite impressed. But sssshhh, don't tell anyone or I'll lose my well earned reputation as the wicked witch of the west. ;)
I prefer to think of you as The High Priestess of the Org. [lol]
Can I be your slave?
Bobinovich
30-Aug-09, 18:38
I must admit to being disappointed by some of the attitudes of the older posters on this thread. At 40 I know that there are subjects I could have easily contributed to had there been something like Wiki back then. Worse still is that a lot of it has been lost, or should I say shoved to the dark recesses of my mind, over time - probably never to emerge again.
I applaud those youngsters who are happy to contribute to both this forum and to Wiki. They often get put down or belittled, but take it on the chin (usually without throwing their toys out of the pram, unlike some senior posters), and it seems to me that where the older generation can offer experience, the young can offer enthusiasm and energy - and that is a synergy we should embrace.
Knowledge is totally different. We accumulate it from the moment we are born and continue 'til the day we die. We all build up general knowledge, and this does come more so with age and experience, but can also specialise in different areas from a very young age. The fact that these guys are willing to share their knowledge with the world is a breath of fresh air, especially when so many youngsters seem content to waste their lives getting drunk and hanging around street corners.
Margaret M.
30-Aug-09, 19:04
Bravo, Bobinovich, you captured my thoughts beautifully! I think the lack of respect shown to some of the young guys who post here is an absolute disgrace.
silverfox57
30-Aug-09, 19:11
bob. agree with your post 100% as when some older members
on here down the young like some kind of witch hunt .good for
you alan,has have three children all who have academic careers.
one was the youngest senior lecturer in scotland,
I prefer to think of you as The High Priestess of the Org. [lol]
Can I be your slave?
Ok, go on then.
When do you want to start?
Ok, go on then.
When do you want to start?
Is last week too soon? :)
I have no earthly idea who Steven Erikson or any of the others you mention are, why should I?
He's the manager of Notts County.
Is last week too soon? :)
I think slavery was illegal last week. Can you start 300 years ago instead? You'll be younger and fitter and I'll get more work out of you then.
He's the manager of Notts County.
Do all English counties have Managers Crayola? Wonder if Caithness has a manager?[lol]
He's the manager of Notts County.
Please be a joke, please be a joke, please be a joke...
Do all English counties have Managers Crayola? Wonder if Caithness has a manager?[lol]
When do I start? :Razz
As far as I'm concerned the first lesson in life would prevail.
"Dont trust no one"..
I think slavery was illegal last week. Can you start 300 years ago instead? You'll be younger and fitter and I'll get more work out of you then.
That was enforced slavery, I'm volunteering.
I'll always be younger and fitter than you!
Meow :cool:
David Banks
30-Aug-09, 21:01
What is wikipedia, something to do with sore feet ?
Don't make me repeat myself. I've already answered this before. Right, quick test. Which one of us knows more about Steven Erikson and his series of novels? Ok, that is a stupid question - it is me. Knowledge has nothing to do with age. You will know a lot more about some things than I do, and I know a lot more about other things than you - yet you should write the articles on all of these things because you are older than me? Utter rubbish.
Back down boy!!
Fair enough you have a high IQ and know alot of facts about things that other people may not know but do not for one second think your arrogance passes for knowledge of life and the things that can happen to you in a second.
Experience is something you do not learn through a textbook you have to live it and surrive it.
I'm only 21 but when i was your age i lost my dad to cancer and my mum temporaily to grief. I had to grow up mighty fast. I was a naive trusting lass then but now after learning how cruel life and people are i am alot more guarded and take my time to figure people out. The whole experience of losing both my parents made me face up to adulthood and responsibilties and made me fight for what i wanted out of life. Now four years later i am where i want to be. Alot of people my age still live with mum and dad and are only just sorting out their careers.
You do not know everything and you need to stop and think before shouting your mouth of to someone who has alot more experience than you do.
At the end of the day if something bad happened to you or someone you hold dear facts won't save you, strength and experience will. I am a example of that one. Without my mental strength i would not have surrived the loss of both my parents one only for a couple of years.;)
Don't make me repeat myself. I've already answered this before. Right, quick test. Which one of us knows more about Steven Erikson and his series of novels? Ok, that is a stupid question - it is me. Knowledge has nothing to do with age. You will know a lot more about some things than I do, and I know a lot more about other things than you - yet you should write the articles on all of these things because you are older than me? Utter rubbish.
I really don't know where to start with you, you are quite something. You lecture me on my opinions, but did you even read you wrote on the abortion thread? They were badly constructed and factually inaccurate.
I edit Wikipedia. Feel free to try and find problems with my edits if you want. If not you really aren't in any position to use the criticism "a 17 year old edits Wikipedia - it must be bad!" are you?
Unlike you I post from experiences not from passages from an encyclopedia. Every post you send on here is never from the heart or never based upon your own life experience on a subject. It's always "factual" or cold-hearted quotes from another source. I did not post in the abortion thread to be "factually accurate" I posted with my own experiences which I did not need a 17 year old who has never been through such things to lecture me on, it was not only insensitive to the subject but completely out of order.
Unlike you I post from experiences not from passages from an encyclopedia. Every post you send on here is never from the heart or never based upon your own life experience on a subject. It's always "factual" or cold-hearted quotes from another source.
I merely present my opinions in as factually accurate a way as possible. I like facts. With facts there can be no confusion. When having a debate on such a subject as abortion, "feelings" are not needed and are not a benefit. And as you and others have been so willing to point out, I'm 17, so on things like abortion I can't speak from life experience, because I've never had that experience. I'll stick to facts. With facts, you can't lie for long.
I did not post in the abortion thread to be "factually accurate" I posted with my own experiences
Yes, but you posted your experiences as facts. That is what gets my goat, to use an annoying phrase. You have your life experiences. You can post your life experiences. But they are not facts.
which I did not need a 17 year old who has never been through such things to lecture me on, it was not only insensitive to the subject but completely out of order.
That was not what I intended, and not what I thought had happened. If you believe I set out to "lecture" you and to be "insensitive" then that is ok, but that is not what was intended.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good debate. ;)
Never let the facts get in the way of a good debate. ;)
You're right, there is nothing like a factless/mud-slinging/opinionated argument. [lol]
There are limits. There are things called semi-protection where only registered users can edit, and full-protection where only admins can edit. There is a new flag review system coming in so that say you went and edited something on a page where there is a lot of activity, your edit will be looked at by registered editors before it is allowed in.
is this the place all the orger numpties gets their facts from?
is this the place all the orger numpties gets their facts from?
Your post doesn't seem to match my quote, but oh well. I can't speak for everyone else (as much as I'm sure they'd want me to - Vote Alan16 '09) but I get my information from all over the place, and Wikipedia is one of them - and the stuff I know that isn't on Wikipedia I share on Wikipedia. :D
I'm not saying it isn't, but I would always back it up. Professionally you should have access to peer reviewed sources of information.I do that if I need to, but Wiki is sufficiently accurate on so many topics that I'm becoming increasingly content to put links to it on my own websites without checking all the content with a nit comb.
Those that rubbish Wikipedia tend to know little about the way it works. They think it's bound to be rubbish because anyone can edit it. They're wrong and this is truly stunning. :D
That was enforced slavery, I'm volunteering.
I'll always be younger and fitter than you!
Meow :cool:
Younger maybe. You won't be fitter when I've finished with you unless you have a body of steel. :eek:
Please be a joke, please be a joke, please be a joke...Apparently he's Director of Football rather than manager.
When do I start? :RazzYou have to be 18 because it involves a lot of post-match drinking and the boys in blue are invited. Sorry Alan. :~(
You have to be 18 because it involves a lot of post-match drinking and the boys in blue are invited. Sorry Alan. :~(
There is some sort of age restrictions on drinking? Why did nobody tell me? I could be scarred for life! :eek:
butterfly
31-Aug-09, 01:03
Back down boy!!
Fair enough you have a high IQ and know alot of facts about things that other people may not know but do not for one second think your arrogance passes for knowledge of life and the things that can happen to you in a second.
Experience is something you do not learn through a textbook you have to live it and surrive it.
I'm only 21 but when i was your age i lost my dad to cancer and my mum temporaily to grief. I had to grow up mighty fast. I was a naive trusting lass then but now after learning how cruel life and people are i am alot more guarded and take my time to figure people out. The whole experience of losing both my parents made me face up to adulthood and responsibilties and made me fight for what i wanted out of life. Now four years later i am where i want to be. Alot of people my age still live with mum and dad and are only just sorting out their careers.
You do not know everything and you need to stop and think before shouting your mouth of to someone who has alot more experience than you do.
At the end of the day if something bad happened to you or someone you hold dear facts won't save you, strength and experience will. I am a example of that one. Without my mental strength i would not have surrived the loss of both my parents one only for a couple of years.;)
Unlike you I post from experiences not from passages from an encyclopedia. Every post you send on here is never from the heart or never based upon your own life experience on a subject. It's always "factual" or cold-hearted quotes from another source. I did not post in the abortion thread to be "factually accurate" I posted with my own experiences which I did not need a 17 year old who has never been through such things to lecture me on, it was not only insensitive to the subject but completely out of order.
Totally agree.
Totally agree.
Oh well. :)
Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens!!!!
Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens!!!!
What is it with people and quotes these last few days? :eek:
Possibly because they're apt or its just my perogative..who knows ..who cares..tell ye what its how people learn,grow and experience the the wonderful world of words and quotes and interesting experiences of others!.
Called education,and its open to all.
What is it with people and quotes these last few days? :eek:
That quote was from Jimi Hendrix...a very learned gentleman indeed..
That quote was from Jimi Hendrix...a very learned gentleman indeed..
That's one way of describing him I suppose.
That's one way of describing him I suppose.
Why are you on here at this time of day, shouldn't you be out stealing cars/getting drunk/mugging people?
I dunno, young people these days, where's your rebellious streak? :roll:
He was the 1st to let the world know the new way to go in music,a genius some called him.
Not unlike Einstein,he was the 1st with the Theory of relativity(1st to complete).
They're both 1st in their respective leagues and both equally remembered for it.
Why are you on here at this time of day, shouldn't you be out stealing cars/getting drunk/mugging people?
I dunno, young people these days, where's your rebellious streak? :roll:
I'm watching NFL preseason knowing that when it finished at 4am I'll need to get up 4 hours later. Is that not the essence of rebellion? :D
Why are you on here at this time of day, shouldn't you be out stealing cars/getting drunk/mugging people?
I dunno, young people these days, where's your rebellious streak? :roll:
I realise (hope) this is meant as a joke, but perhaps is an indication of people's reaction to youngsters. They can't win. Be academic and they get mocked. Be a tearaway and everyone will mutter about "the youth of today" (but regard that behaviour as normal, perhaps a self-fulfilling prophecy).
Experts young and old will always disagree about "facts". The climate change arguments are a perfect example, where one expert is all doom and gloom and the next can prove it's all rubbish.
Personally, as with any other data source, I'll use Wikipedia and use my common sense to see if its a well supported topic (in which case, as someone else has said, any wrong information will get edited out in minutes) or if its an obscure topic where you may be relying on one person's opinion.
There have been many comments about "life experience", etc.
My "life experience" as a 60-odd year old in an academic environment is that I see that the knowledge (of facts) of my younger colleagues is IMMENSE compared with mine. Things I struggle (more and more) to learn comes as natural to them. On the other hand, practical experience may be lacking.
OK - I wouldn't necessarily ask them about personal matters, but if you're talking about FACTS trust the young.
So, at the end of the day, Wikis are about FACTS, not opinions or life experience. But hey, that's what the ORG is all about isn't it?
Opinions.
Or should that be opinionated??
Let's encourage the young, not knock them.
JimBews
silverfox57
31-Aug-09, 12:06
Jim agree with you,it a shame on the young of today,
~~Tides~~
31-Aug-09, 15:22
I like Wikipedia, and the never ending tangential long and winding fact road I can find myself ambling down.
But would never use it professionally. Infact, for university work, I'm not even allowed to use it even if I so wished.
When having a debate on such a subject as abortion, "feelings" are not needed and are not a benefit.
Lets hear you say that after you've tried to hold your daughter together both physically and mentally as her world has crashed apart, and experienced pain like no other.
~~Tides~~
31-Aug-09, 15:32
Not that I have either. But then I am not so brash and arrogant and non-understanding of people as to say feelings are not important.
I think you should stick to physics, you will be very very good at it. However, some people just can't deal with, manage or understand people. You will deny Alan that you are one of these people, however that comment really gives the impression that you are one of these common people that have no people skills yet, through arrogance or whatever, they think that they do, and end up causing hassle in the daily working lives for many of us.
For the sake of all of us, stick to physics and facts and numbers , you will be very good at it, like a robot. Steer clear of abortion and the like, leave that to the humans.
I'm not going to write some long reply - I've answered this sort of thing before.
For the sake of all of us, stick to physics and facts and numbers , you will be very good at it, like a robot. Steer clear of abortion and the like, leave that to the humans.
One thing to say to that. Have you seen the state of the debate? It is just mud slinging and people voicing their opinions as facts.
So perhaps a fact based look at things might not be a bad idea.
But anyway, this thread seems to have gone seriously of topic...
I'm not going to write some long reply - I've answered this sort of thing before.
One thing to say to that. Have you seen the state of the debate? It is just mud slinging and people voicing their opinions as facts.
But anyway, this thread seems to have gone seriously of topic...
That can happen a lot.
I'm watching NFL preseason knowing that when it finished at 4am I'll need to get up 4 hours later. Is that not the essence of rebellion? :D
Who's looking good for the Superbowl this year then?
Who's looking good for the Superbowl this year then?
Well pre-season really doesn't shine much light on anything. Well last night the Bears (Chicago) had a good win against the Broncos (Denver), and Cutler played well amongst all the booing (he would have been playing for the Broncos but sulked his way to a trade to the Bears).
If I was a betting man I'd go for one of the following: the Steelers (Pittsburgh) who won last year and have looked impressive pre-season. They also have a good coach and the squad has barely changed at all since they won last year. Or it could be the Giants (New York) - they have a good quarterback in Eli Manning and a coach who knows what he's about. You can also never rule out the Patriots (New England). Personally I hope the Eagles (Philadelphia), my team, win.
I'm doing a good job of keeping this on topic...
If I was a betting man I'd go for one of the following: the Steelers (Pittsburgh)
Your not old enough to bet and that's a fact. :lol:
Your not old enough to bet and that's a fact. :lol:
He's not even a man, he's still a boy;)
Your not old enough to bet and that's a fact. :lol:
We'll see about that come next Saturday! :Razz
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