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So how is everyone coping with the new no smoking legislation - don't you think it's gone totally over the top? Fair enought banning smoking in enclosed public places like pubs etc but ridiculous things like farmers smoking in tractors, householders not able to have a cigarette in their own homes up to three hours prior to a workmens visit, lorry drivers coming over the border having to put out their fags and put up signs in their lorries - is the world going crazy?
So how is everyone coping with the new no smoking legislation - don't you think it's gone totally over the top? Fair enought banning smoking in enclosed public places like pubs etc but ridiculous things like farmers smoking in tractors, householders not able to have a cigarette in their own homes up to three hours prior to a workmens visit, lorry drivers coming over the border having to put out their fags and put up signs in their lorries - is the world going crazy?
Yes, I think that things have gone a little too far! I too can see the sense in banning smoking in enclosed public spaces but how on earth are they going to enforce it where it relates to tractors and the like! How can anyone tell whether a cigarette has been smoked less than three hours ago! Can you imagine the pile of fag ends on the road on the border between Scotland and England!
The legislation will be brought in south of the border in the summer next year. So the pile of dogends by the roadside will only have a finite lifespan.:p
If I was sharing a tractor or HGV cab part time with someone else then I would use diplomacy and common sense to get the other person to refrain from lighting up. If that fails then I would go to my employer to take the next action. Obviously if that doesn't stop the smoking then my colleague will be looking for another job and/or my employer will be looking at a hefty fine.
Obviously common sense will prevail in 99.999999999% of occasions and the new law will be satisfied.
what will happen in prisons? are they to be non smoking too? this is a workplace too.....
the ban is a good idea. trying to get hubby to smoke at the back door. wouldnt force him (yet) but would like it if he smoked outside.
I believe prisons are to be exempt - which means that the wardens are still working in a smoking area
Reghead in reply to your comment, commercial vehicles of all sorts are now required to post signs stating that they are non smoking - signs must have specific text and must be clearly visable to people passing by, they must also show clearly the name of the person to complain to should you see someone (very possibly single occupant) in the vehicle. I should point out that I am a non smoker (or even worse an ex smoker) but I really do think that common sense has gone up in the proverbial puff of smoke on this one
Ban smoking in a tractor tell me how can this be ? First of all the farmer own his tractor so were do we have the right to tell him to stubb it out. It is only him in the cab there aint any room for two and the usal place for the tractor to be is in the field i think there taken this to far . Ok no smoking in public place yes i can understand that but some of the other places it's just to much .Were does it stop .
Marty McFly
27-Mar-06, 14:55
I'm glad this has finaly been introduced...ok we always knew about the health aspects, but the quicker smoking is portrayed as un-fashionable and un-cool the better it will be for everybody.
At last there will be no more "no smoking" and "smoking" areas in restaurants and cafes...which I always thought was crazy anyway. A "no smoking" area in a restaurant is a bit like having a "no peeing" area in a swimming pool.
You of course realise that the smoking ban also takes in Caithness.Org, so will everybody currently sitting at their computer puffing away please either stub it out or step outside.
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sssssh - don't even joke about it there will probably be an amendment to the law along soon!
just heard - at Dounreay people are not even allowed to smoke outside or in the privacy of their own privately owned cars!
I was in wetherspoons last night and could see across to the crown bar. in the hour or so i was watching one, guy came out to smoke about 4 times. Even if he's not giving up the fags for the sake of his health at least his liver is getting a rest. I don't know how much of a pint he managed to drink for the wee while he stood inside the pub he certainly stood outside longer than inside:p
You of course realise that the smoking ban also takes in Caithness.Org, so will everybody currently sitting at their computer puffing away please either stub it out or step outside.
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As a non smoker it makes no difference to me but if the org took out a no alcohol while posting law i'm in trouble. Nothing like posting on the org while drinking a glass (bottle) of wine.
I was in wetherspoons last night and could see across to the crown bar. in the hour or so i was watching one, guy came out to smoke about 4 times. Even if he's not giving up the fags for the sake of his health at least his liver is getting a rest. I don't know how much of a pint he managed to drink for the wee while he stood inside the pub he certainly stood outside longer than inside:p
How do you know it's pint's it could have been short's:) [lol]
Your right Chillie. i was just assuming its pints as thats what most of the men i know drink. Still if anyone is standing outside smoking they can't be drinking at the same time, thanks to the law that states you cannot drink alcohol in the street.
Yes I think you can!, I have seen people outside the crown in summer time sitting drinking, same with French restautant.
You of course realise that the smoking ban also takes in Caithness.Org, so will everybody currently sitting at their computer puffing away please either stub it out or step outside.
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MadPict that is the best one yet, cough cough, put those fags oot Orgers....I'm getting annoyed now [mad]
I can't wait until the tourists arrive in summer.
Monty Python couldn't have invented anything more ludicrous.
It's enough to make me take up both drinking and smoking again.
What next? Ration books for food in order to control obesity?
"Sorry, Mrs McTavish, Willie had haggis last month, he's not allowed any more until June!"
Remember, Holyrood have already issued a recommendation that children should not be allowed haggis more than once a week.
And I thought it was only we English that were daft enough to believe you Scots ate nothing but haggis and porridge.
Wait until they notice what happens in parts of Scandinavia where they monitor how much alcohol you buy and if you reach even a fairly small regular level you are called in and sent to have treatment.
Tugmistress
27-Mar-06, 20:56
I agree that this one has maybe seen common sense go up in smoke [para]
re the post up a bit about Dounreay, the same has happened at where i work.
I have copied and pasted a section from here (http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2006/03/24150445) ....
Smoke free dawn for Scotland
26/03/2006
Scotland woke up this morning to become the first part of the UK to implement a smoking ban in enclosed public places.
The ban came into effect at 6am today making it illegal to smoke in restaurants, bars, cafes, hotels, theatres, bingo halls, church halls, sports centres, shopping centres, public transport, schools, hospitals, clubs, and workplaces, including lorries and vans.
First Minister Jack McConnell said Scotland could now look forward to a healthier future while Health Minister Andy Kerr said there had never been a better time for smokers to quit than now.
At Edinburgh Airport where he met new arrivals to the country to infom them about the new law, Mr McConnell said:
"Scotland will be proud that it has gone smoke-free ahead of any other part of the UK. The smoking ban is absolutely the right way forward. It is right for Scotland, for our nation's health, our nation's economy and our tourist industry.
"This country has always been a great place to live, to work, to bring up your children and even just to visit. Today, it just got better.
"In the years ahead, people will look back on today as the day that Scotland took the largest single step to improve its health for generations. It is a day for all Scots to be proud of our nation. Scotland - the best small country in the world."
In East Kilbride, where he joined customers and staff at a newly smoke free pub, Mr Kerr said:
"Scotland is now smoke free. As well as protecting people from the harmful effects of second-hand smoke, this far-reaching and ambitious step will help many people to give up smoking. Evidence from Ireland and New York proves this.
"There really has never been a better time to quit. I know how difficult it is to stop smoking but it is the best decision a smoker can make. Stopping smoking is not only good for the health of the individual but Scotland as a whole.
"As a smoke-free nation Scotland can look forward to a healthier future. A future where Scots live longer, families stay together longer and our young people are fitter and better prepared to make the most of their ambitions.
"It is a future that we can all look forward to and Scotland should be proud that it's leading the way in the UK."
In Scotland, seven out of 10 people don't smoke and of those who do, seven out of 10 want to give up. Calls to the national quitline in 2005, at over 60,000, were almost double the number calling in 2003.
In Ireland there has also been a significant drop in the number of cigarettes being smoked, particularly among heavy smokers since 2003. And in New York there are now nearly 200,000 fewer smokers since 2002.
Whitewater
27-Mar-06, 21:40
I was told that the bingo in the Francis St. Club on subday night was the best ever prizes, just because of the smoking ban more people attended.
I didn't realise that there was a smoking ban imposed on tractors, I've just told my husband and he's says It's his tractor and he'll smoke in it if he want's to.
Could this be updated version of "It's my party"?
It's my tractor, and I'll smoke if I want to
Smoke if I want to, puff if I want to
You'd plough no more if it happened to you....
Like it madpict just sang it to my husband and he thought it was funny.[lol]
Could this be updated version of "It's my party"?
It's my tractor, and I'll smoke if I want to
Smoke if I want to, puff if I want to
You'd plough no more if it happened to you....
Catchy tune Madpict[lol] [lol]
I was in wetherspoons last night and could see across to the crown bar. in the hour or so i was watching one, guy came out to smoke about 4 times. Even if he's not giving up the fags for the sake of his health at least his liver is getting a rest. I don't know how much of a pint he managed to drink for the wee while he stood inside the pub he certainly stood outside longer than inside:p
There was quite a clan gathering outside the back bridge street club on sunday afternoon.....shivering and puffing away:o)
Bingobabe
28-Mar-06, 00:45
I have just recently given up smoking for health reasons but have to say it i really enjoyed my ciggies.Has the goverment gone insane if i was still smoking and someone told me i couldnt smoke in my own house i know what i would tell them to do:evil .Anyway why does it always have to start in scotland. Frist council tax and now smoking what ever happened to people rights what will they ban next i ask.:roll:
I have just recently given up smoking for health reasons but have to say it i really enjoyed my ciggies.Has the goverment gone insane if i was still smoking and someone told me i couldnt smoke in my own house i know what i would tell them to do:evil .Anyway why does it always have to start in scotland. Frist council tax and now smoking what ever happened to people rights what will they ban next i ask.:roll:
Chocolate bars:lol:
Bingobabe
28-Mar-06, 00:55
Chocolate bars:lol:oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh noooooooooooooooo not the chocolate bars[lol]
What I think will be the irony of it all is the local council, police, tourist board types have been complaining for years about groups of ("anti-social")youths hanging around Cardosis corner late at night being unnatractive for the town and to visitors, but nothing could be done to stop them.
Now this corner, along with the Comm and Holburn corners and the path outside the newmarket are going to be crowded on a Friday/Saturday night with fully grown adults hanging around smoking because of a law. At least when the kids were there they never left hundreds of doups!
In the Francis Street Club on Sunday night, it was funny to see all the wifies put on their coats and rush out at half time for a fag, there were so many of them. I know of only three people who came back to bingo as there was no smoking.
Marty... I agree.. it's like peeing areas in a pool.. good one.
here is an interesting tidbit from MSP Brian Monteith...
"On March 26, as a result of a decision in Parliament, smoking in public places will be banned. Parliament's basis for that change in health policy resulted from epidemiological studies that showed that over 30 years the risk for a non-smoker who lives with a smoker of contracting lung cancer would increase from one chance in a thousand to 1.25 in a thousand. That resulted in a draconian change to the law. Some people have argued - including me, but also eminent scientists - that those findings could have been confounding or due to errors in statistics. Nevertheless, Parliament decided that the increase in risk required a change in law.
"The Draper report was based on a study of 66,000 children over 30 years. The study showed that risk increased to 1.7 in a thousand from a background figure of one in a thousand. In other words, the increase in the risk of contracting leukaemia from living in proximity to pylons was greater than the increase in the risk of contracting cancer from second-hand smoke. The Executive, however, says that that result is due to confounding or to chance and that it cannot necessarily act on the Draper report. The Executive's approach is therefore inconsistent.
I also relate this to my post about "Dounreay"
What is annoying is that the people who go outside for a smoke, standing for example at the entrance of wetherspoons. There should be a least a certain distance away from the entrance. You walk past them going in and your clothes pick up their smoke and also you still get the effects of second hand smoke as you walk past them, breathing in their smoke.
What I think will be the irony of it all is the local council, police, tourist board types have been complaining for years about groups of ("anti-social")youths hanging around Cardosis corner late at night being unnatractive for the town and to visitors, but nothing could be done to stop them.
Now this corner, along with the Comm and Holburn corners and the path outside the newmarket are going to be crowded on a Friday/Saturday night with fully grown adults hanging around smoking because of a law. At least when the kids were there they never left hundreds of doups!
this would explain the rash of railings popping up everywhere in Thurso - it's for the smokers to lean on! and of course if they've had a few to many it'll stop them staggering onto the road when they try to light their fags!!
The consensus seems to be that you can smoke wherever you like in Caithness as long as you are at the wheel of a tractor. Does this mean that there will be a rush to buy tractors? Should I take out shares in the tractor business? Perhaps I should buy several and lease them out to smokers. Possibly I should be positioning tractors outside local pubs so tobacco addicts can climb in to get out of the rain, and, who knows, maybe even take a wee ride around the town. Were I a tobacco company executive (heavens forbid) I would organize tractor races. With the driver smoking at all times.
But the secret to get people to butt out is to make smoking compulsory. Human nature would do the rest and there would be a tobacco boom.....
Tugmistress
28-Mar-06, 17:09
Found the list i was looking for yesterday, taken from here (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/legislation/scotland/ssi2006/20060090.htm), this list contains the smoking and non smoking areas/premises in a quick guide.
The whole thing can be seen in its entirity at the above link.
NO-SMOKING PREMISES
1. Restaurants.
2. Bars and public houses.
3. Shops and shopping centres.
4. Hotels.
5. Libraries, archives, museums and galleries.
6. Cinemas, concert halls, theatres, bingo halls, gaming and amusement arcades, casinos, dance halls, discotheques and other premises used for the entertainment of members of the public.
7. Premises used as a broadcasting studio or film studio or for the recording of a performance with a view to its use in a programme service or in a film intended for public exhibition.
8. Halls and any other premises used for the assembly of members of the public for social or recreational purposes.
9. Conference centres, public halls and exhibition halls.
10. Public toilets.
11. Club premises.
12. Offices, factories and other premises that are non-domestic premises in which one or more persons work.
13. Offshore installations.
14. Educational institution premises.
15. Premises providing care home services, sheltered housing or secure accommodation services and premises that are non-domestic premises which provide offender accommodation services.
16. Hospitals, hospices, psychiatric hospitals, psychiatric units and health care premises.
17. Crèches, day nurseries, day centres and other premises used for the day care of children or adults.
18. Premises used for, or in connection with, public worship or religious instruction, or the social or recreational activities of a religious body.
19. Sports centres.
20. Airport passenger terminals and any other public transportation facilities.
21. Public transportation vehicles.
22. Vehicles which one or more persons use for work.
23. Public telephone kiosks.
SCHEDULE 2 Regulation 3(2)
EXEMPTIONS
1. Residential accommodation.
2. Designated rooms in adult care homes.
3. Adult hospices.
4. Designated rooms in psychiatric hospitals and psychiatric units.
5. Designated hotel bedrooms.
6. Detention or interview rooms which are designated rooms.
7. Designated rooms in offshore installations.
8. Private vehicles
9. Designated laboratory rooms.
10. HM Submarines and ships of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary.
Anyway why does it always have to start in scotland. Frist council tax and now smoking what ever happened to people rights what will they ban next i ask.:roll:
It's just so the MSPs can play their childish games of, "We did it before you did,:Razz !"
Basically, they have too much time on their hands with too little to do. [disgust]
Besides, it's easier to play about with things like that than it is too get on with doing real work like sorting Scotland's Economy out and improving the Infrastructure.
More especially, they should be making sure that new buildings don't start to fall apart after a couple of years, perhaps they should be spending time looking at Building Regulations! :evil
what will happen in prisons? are they to be non smoking too? this is a workplace too.....
Scottish prison have had a no smokinf policy for a while now the only place a prisoner can smoke is in there own cell.
Its strange seeing people outside the bar smoking in little groups now the only downside with that is when your walking past a pub now it feels more intimadating when u see people boozy in there little groups oustside the pub especially if your a woman by herself walking home late in the evening.
I was horrified to read that our naval personnel will no longer be allowed to smoke in their submarines. What harm could having a puff or two at the bottom of the ocean possibly do to society? Is it too much to petition the authorities to set aside a tiny space in which our brave submariners can have a fag? Perhaps next to the intercontinental ballistic missiles......?
Yeah but I bet the non-smokers on the submarine are pretty pleased with that!! (btw submarines terrify me - they give me nightmares) The thought of being on one full of smoke - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (phew - woke up in cold sweat)
Anyhoo, we went for a swift pint last night to our local and it was GREAT!! They have provided a smoking area out the back that's partially covered and heated - hey as long as they're nowhere near me, I'm happy!! I reckon we shall be frequenting there far more often!
rockchick
28-Mar-06, 19:21
<snip>
NO-SMOKING PREMISES
<snip>
...any other public transportation facilities.
21. Public transportation vehicles.
<snip>
I don't smoke, but this has me wondering...a bus shelter would be considered a public transportation facility. Is smoking outlawed while you're waiting for a bus?
Glad that the pubs and other facilities have finally outlawed it. I hate stinking of smoke after going out for an evening!
on radio one this morn it was mentioned that with all smokers outside a place now, non-smokers will feel as thou there going through the doors on an episode of stars in their eyes. was in stitches.
I don't smoke, but this has me wondering...a bus shelter would be considered a public transportation facility. Is smoking outlawed while you're waiting for a bus?
No at bus stops, as far as I'm aware, unless it is a closed in bus shelter...........though what they judge as closed in, I dunno. Are there any with glass/perspex intact and if not does that make them open? :confused:
Tugmistress
28-Mar-06, 19:38
it includes bus shelters, railway stations etc :(
I work at a place where there are now 2 or 3 dedicated smoking areas that are approved by management and union reps for the purpose of smoking. However, my opinion is that going for a smoke is an excuse for a skive. So I have thought about collecting dog-ends from the street and spreading them on the floor in and around the dedicated smoking areas to make it look like the smokers are abusing the provision of the butt-buckets. The whole intention is to get smoking completely banned from site and get the smokers to stop having unofficial breaks.:evil
I work at a place where there are now 2 or 3 dedicated smoking areas that are approved by management and union reps for the purpose of smoking. However, my opinion is that going for a smoke is an excuse for a skive. So I have thought about collecting dog-ends from the street and spreading them on the floor in and around the dedicated smoking areas to make it look like the smokers are abusing the provision of the butt-buckets. The whole intention is to get smoking completely banned from site and get the smokers to stop having unofficial breaks.:evil
Oh dear, it's surprising how long work can take when you really set your mind to it. And you don't even have to appear not to be working hard!
Of course, a short break helps restore the mind so it works faster.
"All work and no play makes Jack a very dull person. His brain can become very dull indeed!"
Cedric Farthsbottom III
28-Mar-06, 22:54
on radio one this morn it was mentioned that with all smokers outside a place now, non-smokers will feel as thou there going through the doors on an episode of stars in their eyes. was in stitches.
Tonight Matthew,I'm gonnae be Smokey Robinson!!!:lol: :lol:
I was horrified to read that our naval personnel will no longer be allowed to smoke in their submarines. What harm could having a puff or two at the bottom of the ocean possibly do to society? Is it too much to petition the authorities to set aside a tiny space in which our brave submariners can have a fag? Perhaps next to the intercontinental ballistic missiles......?
rich think back to October 2004. The name "Chicoutami" springs to mind. Maybe the British navy learned something from our disasterous fire situation.
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