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pinkandglittery2

23-Jun-09, 13:19

Metalattakk

23-Jun-09, 13:37

Hi, Just to let all mums to young babies know, that you can no longer go in to the town hall cafe with your prams!! myself and another friend went there today, we have been many times before, and were asked to not take the prams in and to take the babies out of the prams, as our children are only 5 months old, they cannot sit in a highchair, and therefore i dont know what they expected us to do with them! we always makesure the prams are out of the way with easy access for all to get around them and are conciderate to others. As a town hall, i would have imagined that the cafe was for the use of the people of the town, including its up and coming citizens, however old!! We were extremely dissapointed with the way we were treated and felt that not only us, but our babies were being discriminated against, we will not be going back. Its a shame that our new town hall is obviously not a family orientated place,and i am angered that my tax and council tax payments have gone towards paying for the upgrade when my family is not welcome there.

I see you're paying no attention during your wee rant to your fellow customers/patrons. You know, all those people who have to clamber around your precious prams? Do they not have rights too?

So the rule is there for the benefit of the majority. Seems fair to me.

we always makesure the prams are out of the way with easy access for all to get around them and are conciderate to others.Aye, sure. :roll: I take it everyone else does too? Even if you are considerate, there are others that won't be.

One more thing, while I'm at it:

You are taking a 5 month old :eek: child to a cafe and expecting it to have the same rights as everyone else? Do you also expect a special 5 month old's menu as well? :roll:

Get real, and save us the cries of "it's discrimination!" while you're at it.

pinkandglittery2

23-Jun-09, 13:47

we have been into the cafe several times over the past few months and there hasnt been an issue, if there has been a rule change then i should expect posters/signs to be put up informing people of this. people without children may not understand how we feel but our children are part of our lives and should be able to go into a TOWN HALL, which proclaims to be for family use, without question. thankyou for your opinion on the matter but i still think a family place should let all ages in. in answer to your question re 5 month old menus, this is rediculous, and not issue i raised!!!

Metalattakk

23-Jun-09, 14:09

loganbiffy

23-Jun-09, 14:19

Really, this is a massive non-issue.

As we all know the General forum on here is pretty much just a place to rant for the people of Caithness, it's rare to find a thread that isn't based on gurning about something lol.

Metalattakk

23-Jun-09, 14:31

True loganbiffy, but surely it helps if the girn is about a genuine gripe?

Y'know, something more substantial than "O NOES!!! My pram's been discriminated against!" [lol]

loganbiffy

23-Jun-09, 14:36

True loganbiffy, but surely it helps if the girn is about a genuine gripe?

Y'know, something more substantial than "O NOES!!! My pram's been discriminated against!" [lol]

I agree MetalAttakk, sometimes I come on the General and can't believe the threads I see!
But I guess people feel safe behind a computer screen while girning. :)

Kevin Milkins

23-Jun-09, 15:35

bettedaviseyes

23-Jun-09, 15:44

i feel the same most of threat are full of grim or arguing:confused boring and unnecessary:confused plus i see this girls point there's no need to be sartactic to her and i see everyone elses this cafe should have put up notices about prams.

Metalattakk

23-Jun-09, 15:51

bettedaviseyes

23-Jun-09, 15:52

Depends. Are you gonna leave your mother-in-law in the middle of the aisles getting in everyone's way?

YOU ARE BANG OUT OF ORDER SAYING THAT[evil]

Metalattakk

23-Jun-09, 15:54

YOU ARE BANG OUT OF ORDER SAYING THAT[evil]
Knee-jerk reaction. Read it in context FGS.

KILTIECAULDBUM

23-Jun-09, 16:01

I thought it was a reasonable rant. If the town hall has had an upgrade then it surely has facilities for the disabled.

Does this regulation mean I cannot take my mother in law in their in a wheelchair?

Kevin, I'm afraid as others have already said, this IS just another useless rant. I have it from the 'horses mouth' so to speak. There is NO change of policy & NO new rules. As for disabled access, the facility is well equipped for disabled people & even have a lift installed. I'm sure if you take your Mother-in-law, she will be well provided for & looked after just like myself.

The original poster of this thread is upset because she was asked to move her LARGE pram that WAS causing an obstruction. They were not asked to leave, nor were their babies, only to move their prams. If an accident had occurred because of the prams, that would have been another fault. A bit of common sense & understanding from the pram using complainant here would have helped!! I wouldn't want my child scalded or anyone else because of my pram.

And before you start on me Madam, NO, I don't work there!!

mums angels

23-Jun-09, 17:14

Kevin, I'm afraid as others have already said, this IS just another useless rant. I have it from the 'horses mouth' so to speak. There is NO change of policy & NO new rules. As for disabled access, the facility is well equipped for disabled people & even have a lift installed. I'm sure if you take your Mother-in-law, she will be well provided for & looked after just like myself.

The original poster of this thread is upset because she was asked to move her LARGE pram that WAS causing an obstruction. They were not asked to leave, nor were their babies, only to move their prams. If an accident had occurred because of the prams, that would have been another fault. A bit of common sense & understanding from the pram using complainant here would have helped!! I wouldn't want my child scalded or anyone else because of my pram.

And before you start on me Madam, NO, I don't work there!!

The OP hasn't got a LARGE pram not as far as prams go anyway so whoever told you that must have been over exagerating , unless of course she has got a new one since i last saw her and no i wasn't there :lol:

however my pram and my friends pram are both rather large and we have been in a few times and have never been asked to move etc .. i do however get the impression some of the staff don't like children which has put me off going back in.

pinkandglittery2

23-Jun-09, 17:20

I still feel that this is not a rant, yes i was angry at the time but still feel that my point is a valid one, my pram was not obstructing anything as i had not even managed to get to a table to park the pram before we were approached! a child of 5 months old only has a pram to sit in as there are no other facilities for a child of this age to be accomodated. agreed if a child is old enough for a high chair then it should be placed in one, and agreed that prams should not be left as an obstruction, as i have said i had not even parked the pram before i was asked to move! It is irrelevant to me wether you work there or not, and i am not hiding behind the pc, i complained at the front desk on leaving, i posted the thread to make people with prams aware of the situation and also agreed Metalattakk you are very out of order in your replies to others, everyone has an opinion and just because it doesnt match yours doesnt mean you should be rude and ignorant!

Metalattakk

23-Jun-09, 17:40

Metalattakk you are very out of order in your replies to others, everyone has an opinion and just because it doesnt match yours doesnt mean you should be rude and ignorant!

Good job I haven't been rude and ignorant then, isn't it.

As far as I can see, your original rant couldn't possibly be construed as an 'opinion'. It's a rant, and a pointless one at that. Nothing more and nothing less.

Now, just because my posts don't agree with yours, and don't pat you on the back like you seem to demand, it doesn't make them rude or ignorant.

joxville

23-Jun-09, 17:47

i do however get the impression some of the staff don't like children.

Never mind the staff, some customers don't like children in a cafe......me for a start. I've never been in a cafe that's never had at least one girning little brat that won't sit still or insists on running wild and the parent(s) do sod all to stop it.

pinkandglittery2

23-Jun-09, 17:58

Metalattakk

23-Jun-09, 18:14

theres is nothing worse than people who hate defensless children
Nobody here hates defenceless children, for goodness' sake. Why on earth would you state such a thing? [disgust]

Fluff

23-Jun-09, 18:22

Ignorance: The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

You have just insulted everyone who uses this site, even the people who have not posted to this thread. Well done.

gleeber

23-Jun-09, 19:05

I know MA well enough from his previous history on the org that he is not ignorant but by gum he can be rude. :roll: I think his reply to your first post on the general forums of the org is bang out of order. Not that my opinion about him will throw much weight but perhaps you will consider this little bit of support for yourself and not be bullied into not posting any more.
As for taking a 5 month old baby into a cafe. Mothers with 5 month old babies should be encouraged to socialise as much as they can without fear of falling foul to petty head nipping. Having a coffee in a friendly atmosphere is probably better for young mothers than a handful of anti depressants and a darkened room. If the baby needs attention most mothers would consider the circumstances and act accordingly.

webmannie

23-Jun-09, 19:06

itheres is nothing worse than people who hate defensless children, its very sad, u must never have been children yourselves i take it?!!! i will not be replying to any more of this nonsense, i am more of an adult than that!!

I find your post completely out of order

unicorn

23-Jun-09, 19:06

I can understand the 1st poster getting het up, she posted about a bad service she received in the fact that they were happy to take order and cash but then ask her to remove her pram, the safety implications of hot drinks whilst baby is in your arms are quite obvious.
As usual the spoon is out, I am quite surprised that the old "mothers should not go out with small children" has not been quoted yet to stir a bit more.

webmannie

23-Jun-09, 19:17

As far as I can tell from your post, your child is not excluded from the cafe. The child's carriage is, however.

Will you now cry 'discrimination!' against the pram? :lol:

Really, this is a massive non-issue.

In days gone past prams were often left outside premises, child included!! Heck I even remember leaving a niece outside the Livestock Breeders in Millbank and coming back outside to a cream cookie face and a half empty bakers poke!!

Canna do that nowadays i'm afraid (leave bairns outside, not stuff face with cream cookies!!)

I can make one phone call and we will get an official Horizons response. Nothing like straight from horses mouth.

Bazeye

23-Jun-09, 19:22

Never mind the staff, some customers don't like children in a cafe......me for a start.

Order something else then.

mums angels

23-Jun-09, 20:55

Never mind the staff, some customers don't like children in a cafe......me for a start. I've never been in a cafe that's never had at least one girning little brat that won't sit still or insists on running wild and the parent(s) do sod all to stop it.

Well i am yet to meet someone that does like being in a cafe /public area where a child is running riot and being a pest. I wouldn't take my child if i thought they were going to act up and if they did i would make haste and leave i can't stand it when they are being too loud or being naughty. however with horizons cafe one member of staff in particular seems to really not like children there even when they are sleeping or sitting quiet , whats wrong with the quiet ones ?

Ash

23-Jun-09, 21:09

ive had my child in the town hall cafe numerous times and have had no problem with any members of the staff
the cafe is small so i agree with pushchairs over crowding the place,so they should do something to accomodate all, and if someones in a wheel chair then they are sitting around the table and the chair that was there before is moved out of the way

brandy

23-Jun-09, 21:10

well as the mother of an autistic child, if i never went anywhere because he was not quite or well behaved sitting nicley not making a sound.. well then we would never leave the house!
we have had to leave before ordering, during the meal, or as soon as we could shovel the food down our gobs, becuase he was having a bad moment.
if children are not socialised then they will never learn how to behave in public,
exspecially children with special needs.
we as a family try to have a very normal everyday life, making sure that ben experiances everything a "normal" child would and should.
i would not take my kids into somewhere that was not family friendly.. which thankfully most places are...
and if there are a few grumpy ole cusses out there who do not like it.. well tough.. mothers and babies, families with young children, and everyone else has as much right to be in a resturant as said persons.
thats why most places have family areas, so that both sides can sit and have a drink and eat in peace.
i would have def. complained to the managment.. call write the council who ever owns the place make a formal complaint, and ask to see in writing why you cant bring your pram in.
if they want to be nasty to you, then you can call them on it.

Invisible

23-Jun-09, 21:11

i dont often use this site and i now realise why, there are a bunch of ignorant people who have nothing better to do than try to stir rubbish. if you didnt feel this thread was relevent, why reply?!!!and continue to do so, theres is nothing worse than people who hate defensless children, its very sad, u must never have been children yourselves i take it?!!! i will not be replying to any more of this nonsense, i am more of an adult than that!!

It's been said before but it seems that orgers cant express their opinion without someone throwing the toys out of the pram (excuse the topical pun!:lol:)

Joking aside, i think that it is opinion whether or not this thread is pointless or not (perhaps stating the obvious) Just because one person hs upset your regarding their opinion does not mean you should turn your back on the org because there is no pleasing everyone.

balto

23-Jun-09, 21:27

this is nothing but a disgrace, if they will allow for wheelchairs, then why oh why cant they allow for prams, i for one like most mums wouldnt dream of leaving my baby outside anywhere.

Vistravi

23-Jun-09, 22:49

Never mind the staff, some customers don't like children in a cafe......me for a start. I've never been in a cafe that's never had at least one girning little brat that won't sit still or insists on running wild and the parent(s) do sod all to stop it.

Children get gumpy, fed up and bored and start greeting or gurning to make their parents/parten aware if it jox. there is nothing in a cafe to stimulate a child expect his/her parent or other person with them. And of course when mum or dad is sitting yapping to their friend then of course bairn is going to greet and gurn. ;)

Now as for parents doing nothing to stop their kids running around beling blantly rude to everyone else eating and enjoying their friends or own company, well what can i say? The parents of those kids have ill displinced (sp) kids and would appear that they don't care if their kids are being unruly and awfully rude. There is nothing more frustrating than a child that refuses to listen to you but a parent who doesn't do something to stop them is not on. But the kids in most cases are properly bored. I know that i was bored most times when out with mum and other people for lunch and mum and friend was yapping. But then i was older and had more tolerance of it.

You can't expect a three year old least a two year old to sit for half an hour to an hour while mum is yapping:roll:

What i don't like is teenagers as they seem to have no respect for anyone. I can't believe some of the stuff my 14 year old brother does.

Anne x

23-Jun-09, 23:02

Never mind the staff, some customers don't like children in a cafe......me for a start. I've never been in a cafe that's never had at least one girning little brat that won't sit still or insists on running wild and the parent(s) do sod all to stop it.

Joxs did you behave as a child not girn and sit still ? not for one minute can I believe that judging by your impishness as a adult [lol] on most occasions its not the kiddies faults but adults who go about there own business chatting etc and leave the kids to what they like in a Cafe or any eating establishment

jings00

24-Jun-09, 08:52

this is nothing but a disgrace, if they will allow for wheelchairs, then why oh why cant they allow for prams, i for one like most mums wouldnt dream of leaving my baby outside anywhere.

wheelchairs are hardly the same as prams,,,that is a pretty patronising and ignorant comment to make. i don't see how you can equate someone with disabilities and having to use a wheelchair the same as a child in a pram.

golach

24-Jun-09, 09:01

wheelchairs are hardly the same as prams,,,that is a pretty patronising and ignorant comment to make. i don't see how you can equate someone with disabilities and having to use a wheelchair the same as a child in a pram.

Mothers and buggys are a menace look whats happened in Edinburgh

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/12445/Mums-39force-disabled-off-buses39.4462594.jp

Thumper

24-Jun-09, 09:22

The Town hall is a great place to go and the staff are fantastic,but yes the cafe is rather cramped for prams-and yes I am a mum who knows what its like to have a small baby in a pram!-so perhaps it isnt the best place to take a small baby.That said though I am sure there would be a compromise like asking the staff to put the pram somewhere out of the way so that its not causing an obstuction?x

girnigoe

24-Jun-09, 10:14

wheelchairs are hardly the same as prams,,,that is a pretty patronising and ignorant comment to make. i don't see how you can equate someone wiTh disabilities and having to use a wheelchair the same as a child in a pram.

Why?

People with disabilities in wheelchairs and babies in prams both have the same right to be there. Both take up room in a small place.

Are they going to ban wheelchairs next?

Thumper

24-Jun-09, 12:14

Why?

People with disabilities in wheelchairs and babies in prams both have the same right to be there. Both take up room in a small place.

Are they going to ban wheelchairs next?

Was the OP actually told that prams were banned? I find that hard to believe? Infact isnt Caithness Horizons hosting the sing and sign baby sessions where there must be some prams around? I would think it was more a case of being asked to move the pram rather than being told the pram was banned :confused
Perhaps the OP could clarify whether she was told they were banned or simply asked to move the pram ,that way everyone would have a better idea of what actually went on,I would assume that IF prams were banned the would be a sign up.x

pinkandglittery2

24-Jun-09, 12:24

Was the OP actually told that prams were banned? I find that hard to believe? Infact isnt New Horizons hosting the sing and sign baby sessions where there must be some prams around? I would think it was more a case of being asked to move the pram rather than being told the pram was banned :confused
Perhaps the OP could calify whether she was told they were banned or simply asked to move the pram that way everyone would have a better idea of what actually went on,I would assume that IF prams were banned the would be a sign up.x

In reply to Thumper, We were not asked to leave the cafe but to remove our prams from the cafe, so basically our only option was to put the prams, with babies in them out into the corridor, which i would not do, appart from the fact my baby would scream the place down if i left him(something else for people to complain about no doubt!!) i would not leave my baby for the sake of having a coffee!!! we explained that our children were too young for highchairs but it didnt seem to matter to the staff, therefore we had no option but to leave and go elsewhere to a more accomodating cafe.

mrjolly

24-Jun-09, 12:41

In reply to Thumper, We were not asked to leave the cafe but to remove our prams from the cafe, so basically our only option was to put the prams, with babies in them out into the corridor, which i would not do, appart from the fact my baby would scream the place down if i left him(something else for people to complain about no doubt!!) i would not leave my baby for the sake of having a coffee!!! we explained that our children were too young for highchairs but it didnt seem to matter to the staff, therefore we had no option but to leave and go elsewhere to a more accomodating cafe.could be an idea to put your complaint in writing to the people in charge.

ett23

24-Jun-09, 12:44

Seems the town hall cafe isn't the only place that's banned pushchairs/prams, I found this link from 4 years ago:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/181/181622_mum_told_her_baby_was_fire_risk.html

pinkandglittery2

24-Jun-09, 13:09

could be an idea to put your complaint in writing to the people in charge.

we did complain at thee reception area at the time, but youre right, i should write a letter also.
Thanks

Ash

24-Jun-09, 13:33

In reply to Thumper, We were not asked to leave the cafe but to remove our prams from the cafe, so basically our only option was to put the prams, with babies in them out into the corridor, which i would not do, appart from the fact my baby would scream the place down if i left him(something else for people to complain about no doubt!!) i would not leave my baby for the sake of having a coffee!!! we explained that our children were too young for highchairs but it didnt seem to matter to the staff, therefore we had no option but to leave and go elsewhere to a more accomodating cafe.

from experience i know that having a child means you learn to multi task, its is possible to take ur child in on ur lap and still be able to eat/drink without spilling anything on the child(jst before anyone says that)!

pinkandglittery2

24-Jun-09, 13:38

from experience i know that having a child means you learn to multi task, its is possible to take ur child in on ur lap and still be able to eat/drink without spilling anything on the child(jst before anyone says that)!

agreed, and in oher circumstances perhaps i would have done this, but to be honest, because we had been in before without an issue i was angry and thought'why should i' as i previously said, if the cafe had new rules, id expect posters/signs to be displayed to imform customers of this change in rule.

The Angel Of Death

24-Jun-09, 14:07

from experience i know that having a child means you learn to multi task, its is possible to take ur child in on ur lap and still be able to eat/drink without spilling anything on the child(jst before anyone says that)!

Good idea that drinking a cup of hot coffee or soup etc with a child on your lap isn't that asking for trouble ?

If there is an issue with prams in the cafe then there should at least be a sign other than that what about them providing some sort of baby chair like a car seat sort of thing surly that would solve the prob of saving space and keeping maws happy at the same time ?

But if your not happy with the service provided then vote with your feet and take your business else where given the current climate i would have thought any cafe / eating place would be chewing your hand off for any kind of business

Thumper

24-Jun-09, 14:08

I wouldnt leave my baby for a coffee either,and I wasnt suggesting you should do so.The cafe is quite small and prams do take up a lot of space and if it was busy it would be even worse.Personally would have sat the baby on my lap and put the pram in the corridor(that would be a personal choice though-not suggesting that you should have done that).There arent many cafes in town that actually do have space for prams.x

Margaret M.

24-Jun-09, 14:28

Good idea that drinking a cup of hot coffee or soup etc with a child on your lap isn't that asking for trouble ?

I have yet to meet a mother who cannot juggle several things at one time. Drinking a cup of tea or coffee while a baby is on the lap can be done with ease and without endangering the baby in the least.

If I think a ruling is unfair, I apply the "what if everyone did it?" to see if the ruling is reasonable. If everyone in the cafe brought in a pram, would it cause a problem?

pinkandglittery2

24-Jun-09, 14:45

I have yet to meet a mother who cannot juggle several things at one time. Drinking a cup of tea or coffee while a baby is on the lap can be done with ease and without endangering the baby in the least.

If I think a ruling is unfair, I apply the "what if everyone did it?" to see if the ruling is reasonable. If everyone in the cafe brought in a pram, would it cause a problem?

thats like saying if several wheelchair bound people came in at once would it cause a problem. my point is that cafe cardosi is a smaller establishment and they dont have a problem with us having our prams in there, they just have a special area up the top that prams cant go for people who dont want to be in that area, now thats a good service, providing for everyone.you would think that the TOWN HAll i.e a place especially for the community should also offer this service surely?!

unicorn

24-Jun-09, 15:01

Venture

24-Jun-09, 15:16

I cannot believe how many people advocate holding hot drinks over babies, babies skin is delicate and burns so easily, is it worth the risk?
In my view it is NEVER worth the risk. I have seen a tiny baby scalded when her grandad spilt some tea by mistake, do you think he would when he made the desision to drink it with her in his arms.
I agree 100% with you unicorn. It only takes a second to be scarred for a lifetime. How many mother's have babies who sit still and don't move a muscle? What happens if there is more than one child to look after?

3of8

24-Jun-09, 15:51

Ignorance: The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

You have just insulted everyone who uses this site, even the people who have not posted to this thread. Well done.

No Fluff. You assume P&G insulted everyone. She actually said there are a bunch of ignorant people. That's not all of us, is it?

loganbiffy

24-Jun-09, 15:55

This thread is hilarious.
That is all.

jings00

24-Jun-09, 15:59

Why?

People with disabilities in wheelchairs and babies in prams both have the same right to be there. Both take up room in a small place.

Are they going to ban wheelchairs next?

no sayin that babies in prams should be banned, i was merely commenting on the comparison.

crayola

24-Jun-09, 23:56

golach

25-Jun-09, 00:05

Does anyone know if the town hall has a policy on broomsticks? I'm planning a visit in the summer and it would be awfully embarrassing if my witchy friends and I were to be ejected for parking our means of transport in the aisles.

Yes, I'm serious about visiting in the summer, I'll warn you in advance though X
dinna come through till Auld Reekie Crayola, we threw alleged witches in the Nor Loch then set them on fire, must see if we can restart that, I am sure the Visitors would love it.

crayola

25-Jun-09, 00:06

You missed your chance golach, I was in Edinburgh all day today! :lol:

golach

25-Jun-09, 00:09

You missed your chance golach, I was in Edinburgh all day today! :lol:
I was too busy escorting , bonny young lassies Crayola, so I would not even noticed you [lol]

crayola

25-Jun-09, 00:42

I was too busy escorting , bonny young lassies Crayola, so I would not even noticed you [lol]
My mother and my aunt told me you'd showed them around. They said I should recommend Specsavers.

golach

25-Jun-09, 00:47

My mother and my aunt told me you'd showed them around. They said I should recommend Specsavers.
Aye Right, I was escorting two Northern 18 year olds......not 80 year olds, that age group in more your age.

theone

25-Jun-09, 01:18

The 'town hall' isn't that anymore, it's 'Caithness Horizons' and as such cannot be used as a town hall.

I wasn't there, so don't know the details.........but..........

If the pushchair blocks an aisle, that's what's against it.

Access/Egress is the law, X cm for a wheelchair. If you can't get a wheelchair past your pram it's an issue.

It's the same way that new houses have to have sockets and light switches higher and lower than before. We better accomodate the minority. You also need a ramp to your door.

wndyndy

25-Jun-09, 01:55

we did complain at thee reception area at the time, but youre right, i should write a letter also.
Thanks
hopefully your complaint and your letter will make something good happen.

KILTIECAULDBUM

25-Jun-09, 08:55

hopefully your complaint and your letter will make something good happen.

Mmmm, now what could she write in a letter of complaint??

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am unhappy at being asked to move my full sized pram (not a buggy or stroller) because it was causing an obstruction in your Cafe. I have been in many times before & have never been asked to move it, unless I had it in a different position, at a different table & there was less people about on those occasions? I understand that I was not asked to leave, my baby wasn't asked to leave, my friend & her baby were not asked to leave & that your policy on allowing prams & wheelchairs etc. hasn't changed. I was only asked to move my pram!! Your facility is there to add to the Community & therefore everyone is welcome ( I was going to say without prejudice, but you probably won't have that word in your vocabulary or be able to spell it anyway!!). It therefore seems on this occasion that ''I took the ''huff'' about nothing & decided to try & cause trouble on the .Org instead of my usual places. I realise now that I was only asked to move my pram this time, because it is the first time it has caused an obstruction & a possible danger to me, my baby, my friend & her baby, other Cafe users & your Staff. Again I realise I have tried to mislead other people into believing that you have CHANGED your policy on allowing prams & wheelchairs, as I now know that there are mother & baby groups with multiple prams & babies, plus the Heart & Chest group with multiple wheelchairs who use your lovely facility WITHOUT any problems. In fact, I think I have made a bit of a backside of myself here for totally misleading everyone because I was a silly wee lassie in a ''huff''.
CRUMPLE, CRUMPLE, PLOP (sound of letter being binned).

Next time you take your pram my dear, spare a wee thought for other people for a change, like the other Mothers seem to be able to do without a problem!!

Vistravi

25-Jun-09, 19:30

This thread is spiralling out of control.

balto

25-Jun-09, 20:27

from experience i know that having a child means you learn to multi task, its is possible to take ur child in on ur lap and still be able to eat/drink without spilling anything on the child(jst before anyone says that)!oh my god thought i had read some daft stuff on here but this one takes the biscuit, drink hot tea/coffee or whatever and eat hot food while holding a baby, my god most babies i know are to wriggle to risk doing something so stupid with, i would never ever dream of doing this , all it takes is for a split second for your baby to make a sudden movement and thats they scalded, or worse burnt.

tell you a load of us mums with prams should meet up at the town hall and see what their reaction is, they have to understand that they cant go around treating mothers with babies like this, doesnt it come down to discrimination.

webmannie

25-Jun-09, 20:27

Nah, don't believe that for a second, orgmasters are always in 'control'.

webmannie

25-Jun-09, 20:33

tell you a load of us mums with prams should meet up at the town hall and see what their reaction is, they have to understand that they cant go around treating mothers with babies like this, doesnt it come down to discrimination.

Yeah go for some 'flash mobbing', let me know when so that I can set the fire alarms off and start up the smoke machine. I'll also call the ambulances as I think they'll be required.

do you think you'd all form an orderly queue out?

Doesn't bear thinking eh?

Dadie

25-Jun-09, 20:38

Just to add fuel to the fire.. the new town hall has no food provisions for babies under 1 and no way to heat up food brought in for them!
They might be able to provide hot water for a bottle but if you have a baby over 6mths (on solids) but under 1 there is nothing suitable for babies to eat (salt) !
The baby change loo is downstairs and far away from the other loos which is not handy if you have 2 kids (1 a toddler and toilet trained but still needing to rush to the loo and a baby with a poo bum).
I was in the cafe once and had to trail both kids to the loo as Lauren needed a pee (i left my jacket on my seat and bags under my seat) When I got back (away 5 mins max) our food and my hardly touched cup of tea had been removed:eek:
No apology .... no replacements.... not been back!

Metalattakk

25-Jun-09, 21:49

tell you a load of us mums with prams should meet up at the town hall and see what their reaction is, they have to understand that they cant go around treating mothers with babies like this, doesnt it come down to discrimination.

Just to add fuel to the fire.. the new town hall has no food provisions for babies under 1 and no way to heat up food brought in for them!

My God, some people need their heads banged together. :roll:

brandy

25-Jun-09, 22:21

most places has bottle warmers ect.. for young children... and also easily accessed toilets.
saying that if i was in somewhere for a meal, went to the toilet and came back to find everything gone, i would prob. blow a gasket!

Vistravi

25-Jun-09, 22:27

My God, some people need their heads banged together. :roll:

Why? Are you saying that they have to be cooped up at home to feed and change baby?
Mothers need to have a social life outside the house when they have small babies. And if an establishment does not provide for their customer base then they might as well close up as its suicide. Nobody likes somebodies crying baby when they are trying to enjoy company and a snack but to punish the mum for coming out to see their friends and to be unable to feed wee "Bob" as he is hungry is unfair and wrong. feeding bairns before you go out hardly even comes close and some bairns still scream for more later as they get hungry quicker than adults do.

And of course as Dadie said the dreaded toilet run is always a fast one, to think that staff would immediately clear up table when mum has taken both bairns and left pram purse, coats etc at the table is a daft practice.

Get of your high horse before someone knocks you off.

This thread needs closed as its truly showing the distaste in some people when it comes to kids and their needs.

Ash

25-Jun-09, 22:31

[QUOTE=balto;565790]oh my god thought i had read some daft stuff on here but this one takes the biscuit, drink hot tea/coffee or whatever and eat hot food while holding a baby, my god most babies i know are to wriggle to risk doing something so stupid with, i would never ever dream of doing this , all it takes is for a split second for your baby to make a sudden movement and thats they scalded, or worse burnt.

tell you a load of us mums with prams should meet up at the town hall and see what their reaction is, they have to understand that they cant go around treating mothers with babies like this, doesnt it come down to discrimination.

ive never scalded my child before with a hot drink, not everyone that goes into a cafe drinks hot drinks, i know the risk of drinking something hot with a child, so do not need you to tell me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dragonfly

25-Jun-09, 22:33

what provisions/rights did us mums who had babies nearly 20 years ago have or even further back, your mum's and grannies??

Prams were never allowed in shops/cafes and left outside sometimes with babies in but as said before that wouldn't happen now for good reason but babies did used to sit on mums laps quite safely

Ash

25-Jun-09, 22:35

bettedaviseyes

25-Jun-09, 22:38

this thread is passed its sell by date :roll:

Rheghead

25-Jun-09, 22:39

Why on Earth would anyone want to take a baby into a museum?:roll:;)

changilass

25-Jun-09, 22:47

Why should parents have the right to go where they want with their kids with no regards to those with no kids.

Us parents made the decision to have kids, others shouldn't have to bend over backwards to help us out.

I totally understand that mums need to go out and socialise, but surely that means meeting up with others who you would hopefully trust to mind your child whilst you deal with one of your other kids.

Why would you want to go to a cafe with 3 kids and no other adult anyway - you just know it aint gonna work.

Vistravi

25-Jun-09, 22:53

this thread is passed its sell by date :roll:

Completley agree with you.

joxville

26-Jun-09, 01:14

Joxs did you behave as a child not girn and sit still ? not for one minute can I believe that judging by your impishness as a adult [lol] on most occasions its not the kiddies faults but adults who go about there own business chatting etc and leave the kids to what they like in a Cafe or any eating establishment
You may find it hard to believe but I did behave as a child, mainly because I had a parent that wasn't afraid to smack their child. Remember when children were told to be seen and not heard, I was one of them. I blame the parents, the kids are just doing what kids will do.

Metalattakk

26-Jun-09, 01:28

Why? Are you saying that they have to be cooped up at home to feed and change baby?
Mothers need to have a social life outside the house when they have small babies. And if an establishment does not provide for their customer base then they might as well close up as its suicide. Nobody likes somebodies crying baby when they are trying to enjoy company and a snack but to punish the mum for coming out to see their friends and to be unable to feed wee "Bob" as he is hungry is unfair and wrong. feeding bairns before you go out hardly even comes close and some bairns still scream for more later as they get hungry quicker than adults do.

And of course as Dadie said the dreaded toilet run is always a fast one, to think that staff would immediately clear up table when mum has taken both bairns and left pram purse, coats etc at the table is a daft practice.

Get of your high horse before someone knocks you off.

This thread needs closed as its truly showing the distaste in some people when it comes to kids and their needs.

I've no idea how you can say all that as a response to my post. It doesn't make any sense.

joxville

26-Jun-09, 01:33

Why is it when a thread or sympathy doesn't run the way posters expect it to they demand it be closed? If you don't want to encourage debate then don't post...simple as. :roll:

Margaret M.

26-Jun-09, 01:44

I had a parent that wasn't afraid to smack their child. Remember when children were told to be seen and not heard, I was one of them.

Me too, when visitors came in, we sat and did not make a sound. We only spoke if we were spoken to and however long company stayed was how long we stayed quiet. I did not treat my children like that but parents need to be considerate of others and remove their children if they are being disruptive in a public place, particularly if others are trying to enjoy a meal.

oh my god thought i had read some daft stuff on here but this one takes the biscuit, drink hot tea/coffee or whatever and eat hot food while holding a baby, my god most babies i know are to wriggle to risk doing something so stupid with, i would never ever dream of doing this , all it takes is for a split second for your baby to make a sudden movement and thats they scalded, or worse burnt.As far as drinking while holding a child on the lap, common sense needs to be applied to ensure the baby is not at risk. Of course, if the child is lively or restless, a hot drink is not an option. However, accidents can happen anywhere and a drink can be spilled onto a baby whether they are on the lap, in a high chair or in a pram.

awldthurso

26-Jun-09, 08:24

The baby change loo is downstairs and far away from the other loos which is not handy if you have 2 kids (1 a toddler and toilet trained but still needing to rush to the loo and a baby with a poo bum).
I was in the cafe once and had to trail both kids to the loo as Lauren needed a pee (i left my jacket on my seat and bags under my seat) When I got back (away 5 mins max) our food and my hardly touched cup of tea had been removed:eek:
No apology .... no replacements.... not been back!

agree it might be an inconvenience to have to go all that way to the loo but isn't the town hall a multi use facilitity its not just a cafe. the disabled loo is downstairs and closest to the front door maybe that is why. i am disabled and use the town hall alot it is the easiest place in town for me i have had no problems with any of the cafe staff or using my wheelchair if needed in the cafe. i have a motorised wheelchair and it is no trouble at all for me to park this at the front at reception and they have their own wheelchair in the back which i can then borrow.
i have been in the cafe yesterday and the day before and saw people there with prams the cafe is a tight squeeze and noticed there was extra furniture in the cafe this week was told it was because of national theatre production. in any case the first poster has not said what if any response to her complaint at front desk was and i think that its not right to complain about any business on here or anywhere until your complaint has been addressed if she has written a letter and got a response that is rude or not satisfying she should take it up there if nothing then dont think it is right. the people on the front desk are all very good two in particular stand out as the lovely young blonde lady who always takes time to say hello and knows lots about the town and has helped me trace family connections and the young dark haired english girl both of them are superb as are the cafe staff with their lovely baking. its such a shame a community venue like this is getting blasted like this!

christina

26-Jun-09, 08:41

I was there about 2 weeks ago for lunch and it was nice lovely baking and all the staff were nice aswell. I took the pram in aswell as my young son is only 3 months old just put it in a wee corner out of the way, and took my son out. No problems at all and will be going back.

Thumper

26-Jun-09, 10:19

As per usual people are quick to slag off things in the county-not giving any thought to how what they say may harm a business!If it had been something really bad then ok-but to simply be asked to move your pram and make such a song and dance about it it quite pathetic really.Its a museum,with cafe facilities and if they hadnt asked the OP to move their pram and THEN something happened to the pram and/or baby then this thread would be justified.I have been in there a lot and I have never seen any of the staff being unpolite to Mums and babys,or indeed throwing them out on to the street as some would like us to think!This business has just opened and is a benefit to the community and will hopefully draw tourists in(well needed revenue!) but threads like this can ruin a business!x

balto

26-Jun-09, 11:21

[quote=balto;565790]oh my god thought i had read some daft stuff on here but this one takes the biscuit, drink hot tea/coffee or whatever and eat hot food while holding a baby, my god most babies i know are to wriggle to risk doing something so stupid with, i would never ever dream of doing this , all it takes is for a split second for your baby to make a sudden movement and thats they scalded, or worse burnt.

tell you a load of us mums with prams should meet up at the town hall and see what their reaction is, they have to understand that they cant go around treating mothers with babies like this, doesnt it come down to discrimination.

ive never scalded my child before with a hot drink, not everyone that goes into a cafe drinks hot drinks, i know the risk of drinking something hot with a child, so do not need you to tell me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
didnt say that you had scalded a child with a hot drink, and as for bad rep points, dont you think thats just a tad bit childish.

edayhouse

26-Jun-09, 13:24

Well i decided to go to the Town Hall cafe today for the first time today, i had my 3 year old son with me and i have got to say that it was lovely - we both has a piece of homebaking and juice/tea and we really enjoyed it.

Toilets were clean and fresh and looked well looked after. Staff were really friendly.

I personally think that this thread is getting blown out of proportion - have not read all of the replies but i personally think that it is fair enough for you to be asked to leave your pram outwith eating area as there is limited space and it could block a fire exit etc - also those with wheelchairs may find it difficult to get past the pram - its not as if they are asking you to leave the pram outside the building..... not really a big deal and as for baby not being able to sit up itself then fair enough you have just got to be expected to hold him/her otherwise choose a different cafe that has plenty of room for prams.
I have got 2 children myself and am also a childminder and would not have a problem leaving pram outwith eating area - this is just my view.

Vistravi

26-Jun-09, 15:38

I've no idea how you can say all that as a response to my post. It doesn't make any sense.

Are you pulling my leg metalattakk????:confused

How does my post not makes sense when compared to yours????

Re read your post and then read mine, then you'll see the sense....[disgust]

3of8

27-Jun-09, 14:32

Why is it when a thread or sympathy doesn't run the way posters expect it to they demand it be closed? If you don't want to encourage debate then don't post...simple as. :roll:

By the same token, there are those who don't like criticism from posters about the comments they make, but are all too quick to hand out their own.

I've had a couple of posts removed from this thread. I can only assume that the person I disagreed with didn't like what was said and ran crying to the mod's to have them removed.

However, although I wouldn't expect the mod's to say so in the thread, surely a PM to me explaining why wouldn't be too much to ask would it? [disgust]