View Full Version : 'Still Sun' baffling astronomers
coppertop 1958
21-Apr-09, 10:27
The Sun is the dimmest it has been for nearly a century.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8008473.stm
riggerboy
21-Apr-09, 10:55
o must be global warming, all that stuff we do to hurt the planet is now clouding the sun or maybe even killing it, quick turn off all the lights ???? and save a tree, poppycock,
the global warming is causing the recession
the end is near
due to the recession the sun has been turned down a bit to save money ???
the light at the end of the tunnel is to be switched of due to the recession ??
the recession is to be cut back due to the recession ??
Maybe it's the calm before the storm:
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1171951/Meltdown-A-solar-superstorm-send-dark-ages--just-THREE-years.html
thebigman
21-Apr-09, 19:14
The Sun is the dimmest it has been for nearly a century.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8008473.stm
And Page 3 is not the same these days :-)
And Page 3 is not the same these days :-)
It's now Page 2 1/2...there's a recession on you know! ;)
This is part of the natural cycles of our local star. As most folks know, things have been much warmer in the past, as well as significantly cooler as well. In the larger time line, we are still working to emerge from the last ice-age, and so a warming trend in the climate is not only welcome, but natural as well.
In truth science does not understand enough about the mechanics of the Sun to know what the spotless phase means. There are some who suggest that this means the solar output to the Earth is decreasing, and that if this continues (like it did in the 1700's and 1800's) that things will be quite a bit cooler than what we had gotten used to the last century or so.
I am sincere in hoping that prediction does not turn out to be true. A replay of the "Little Ice Age" would be a disaster for the world, especially developing nations. How ironic would it be if in 20 years we are searching for ways to boost CO2 in the atmosphere in a desperate attempt to keep it from getting too cold to grow crops in North America and Russia.
Bruce H
The Solar Physicists had been pointing out for some time that the sun was going quiet. If my information is accurate, January 2009 was the minimum. No sun spots.
This will be why the planet is now in a cooling phase. There has been no warming since 1998 and from the temperature graphs, the years 2005, 2006 and 2007 suggested the start of a cooling trend. 2008 was cooler than 2007. Anybody care to bet on 2009?
A study has shown that graphing the temperature of Mars, Neptune and Earth gives three plots with the exact same shape and so does the graph of the Sun's luminescence over the same period.
If it was not for the Sun, our planet would be at about -269 °C.
Carbon dioxide causes global warming in much the same way that a dozen of us hiring a boat, driving it out into the middle of the North Atlantic and spitting over the side causes sea level rise. It's just not happening.
Oh; did someone mention sea level rise? Why don't they ever tell you that the sea level has been rising for about 18,000 years? Why don't they ever tell you that the rate of sea level rise has been gradually decreasing for thousands of years and that we now have the lowest rate of sea level rise for 18,000 years?
A final word of encouragement: despite certain wild claims, it is a scientifically verifiable fact that the amount of ice at the South Pole is increasing. So the odd bit is falling off the West Antarctic Shelf, so what? More is accummulating on the rest of Antarctica, where the temperature has been just as cold all through this global warming debate. Don't believe me? Well just take a read of SAR4 by the IPCC themselves. The Inner Circle of the Church of Global Warming.
(Liked your post Through)
Now that IS very interesting!
'Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told' (29th March 2009)
The Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story. *
*http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html
The Solar Physicists had been pointing out for some time that the sun was going quiet. If my information is accurate, January 2009 was the minimum. No sun spots.
This will be why the planet is now in a cooling phase. There has been no warming since 1998 and from the temperature graphs, the years 2005, 2006 and 2007 suggested the start of a cooling trend. 2008 was cooler than 2007. Anybody care to bet on 2009?
A study has shown that graphing the temperature of Mars, Neptune and Earth gives three plots with the exact same shape and so does the graph of the Sun's luminescence over the same period.
If it was not for the Sun, our planet would be at about -269 °C.
Carbon dioxide causes global warming in much the same way that a dozen of us hiring a boat, driving it out into the middle of the North Atlantic and spitting over the side causes sea level rise. It's just not happening.
Oh; did someone mention sea level rise? Why don't they ever tell you that the sea level has been rising for about 18,000 years? Why don't they ever tell you that the rate of sea level rise has been gradually decreasing for thousands of years and that we now have the lowest rate of sea level rise for 18,000 years?
A final word of encouragement: despite certain wild claims, it is a scientifically verifiable fact that the amount of ice at the South Pole is increasing. So the odd bit is falling off the West Antarctic Shelf, so what? More is accummulating on the rest of Antarctica, where the temperature has been just as cold all through this global warming debate. Don't believe me? Well just take a read of SAR4 by the IPCC themselves. The Inner Circle of the Church of Global Warming.
Can you give us links to where all this information is published? Thanks.
Can you give us links to where all this information is published? Thanks.
If you would like to read up on the Sun, there is a fantastic site that covers it and other topics of applying rigorous scientific methods to the theory of global warming here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/
For some links about the sun, and study of the deep solar minimum, there have been several postings with a great deal of layman and expert discussion at these links:
Solar ISN mean dips below 1.00 (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/21/solar-isn-mean-dips-below-100/)
Update: Sun and Ice (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/15/update-sun-and-ice/)
NASA Headline: Deep Solar Minimum (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/01/nasa-headline-deep-solar-minimum/)
and several about the thickening polar ice, here is a good round up:
WUWT Ice Survey Shows Thickening Arctic Ice (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/09/wuwt-ice-survey-shows-thickening-arctic-ice/)
Try to keep in mind, that all of this is part of the natural cycle of things, and even if it gets a bit warmer or a bit colder, it has all happened before, and will all happen again. In general the human race will be ok, and planet earth will be just fine.
Bruce H
I've been knitting an awful lot as of late :eek: must be in preparation for the ice age that's to come! Not!!!:Razz IMO the sun's dimming cause no-one's using it anymore....use it or loose it as they say! Too many people sitting at PCs/Laptops, watching tele, texting and playing with mobiles, twittering, beboing, ebaying, googling etc playing games on their xbox or wii, going to the shopping malls for whatever etc etc etc they are not connected to the sun anymore, weve created an electronic smog thats blackening the sun out. Chill out take time out and do something creative and I don't mean putting together a new fitted kitchen..........get connected to the source and create.... take control instead of being controlled and the sun will "shine"'again! You will feel more energised and a lot less stressed! :Razz
Cedric Farthsbottom III
23-Apr-09, 16:30
The Sun is dimming because it has stopped farting energy.Everybody stops farting now and again.Just wait for the next solar energy outbursting and we'll not have to worry.
The Sun is taken for granted like any other piece of magical scenery."Oh look,its the Sun again,yawn,yawn!!!"
I like the Sun in two ways.One its good to sit under having a few drams.The other,just its majestic prowess with its questions thats never been answered.
The worst thing about The Sun,the Striker cartoons ongoing scenario wi Kurt Panzer,can we no finish it.C'mon Pete Nash change the subject.:lol::lol:
Can you give us links to where all this information is published? Thanks.
SAR4 might still be downloadable from the IPCC web site.
I can't find the Antarctic Ice reference just now, but I read some research by Dr Ian Joughin of NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab. and S Tulaczyk of the University of California. Apparently, the ice is increasing at a rate of between 25 and 30 GTe per year!
As for my statement about a Sunless Earth cooling to about -269 celsius, well that is the background temperature of space. As near as makes no difference, the Sun provides all of our planet's heat.
Thanks for the links Through.
As for my statement about a Sunless Earth cooling to about -269 celsius, well that is the background temperature of space. As near as makes no difference, the Sun provides all of our planet's heat.Why say -269 when the temperature of space is closer to -270, below it in fact? :confused
A study has shown that graphing the temperature of Mars, Neptune and Earth gives three plots with the exact same shape and so does the graph of the Sun's luminescence over the same period.This is the claim I really wanted references for.
This will be why the planet is now in a cooling phase. There has been no warming since 1998 and from the temperature graphs, the years 2005, 2006 and 2007 suggested the start of a cooling trend. 2008 was cooler than 2007. Anybody care to bet on 2009?
Are you sure about 1998?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png
This is part of the natural cycles of our local star. As most folks know, things have been much warmer in the past, as well as significantly cooler as well. Bruce H
I don't need to keep an eye on the candles and the fire catching fire to my house because that know it is only a matter of time that it will burn down after getting struck by lightening.
I don't need to keep an eye on the candles and the fire catching fire to my house because that know it is only a matter of time that it will burn down after getting struck by lightening.
Did you post this whilst drunk? :)
Did you post this whilst drunk? :)
No, me drunk? Never!:roll:
Bobinovich
09-May-09, 11:12
Did you post this whilst drunk? :)
LOL I did wonder myself!
Are you sure about 1998?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png
I'm sure: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/monitoring/
As usual, when it comes to so called global warming, Wiki is wrong.
Policies being proposed to address global warming are not justified by current science. They are in fact a dangerous threat to freedom and prosperity around the world. The environmental movement has transformed itself into an ideology that seeks to restrict human activities at any cost, while pursuing an impossible utopian dream of a perfectly "natural" world. The supposed threat of human civilisation against a fragile earth has now become an article of faith, especially in the realm of global warming activism. The biggest threat to freedom, democracy, market economy and prosperity at the end of the 20th and the beginning of the 21st is no longer socialism. It is now the ambitious, arrogant, unscrupulous ideology of environmentalism.
I'm sure: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/monitoring/
As usual, when it comes to so called global warming, Wiki is wrong.
Through, please don't forget my references for your claim below.
A study has shown that graphing the temperature of Mars, Neptune and Earth gives three plots with the exact same shape and so does the graph of the Sun's luminescence over the same period.
I'm sure: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/monitoring/
As usual, when it comes to so called global warming, Wiki is wrong.
I can't see any downward trend in that dataset. It appears that you are wrong about Global Warming but if you have evidence to say Wiki is wrong please feel free to make an account with them and alter their entry but you need good evidence for your assertions though. I always find that slagging wiki is a shallow arguement with hollow words.
Yet over the last 10 years temperatures have risen more slowly, causing some to claim that global warming has stopped. Here we explain why this is not the case and explains that observed changes are entirely consistent with our understanding of natural fluctuations of the climate within a trend of continuing long-term warming. The evidence is very clear that global temperatures are rising and that humans are largely responsible.
Apparently there was a bit of solar activity during the week so perhaps the new cycle is about to kick in.
Hopefully it will improve. it will be good news for all the radio hams when we've been waiting a while now.
cuddlepop
10-May-09, 09:51
maybe its just me but I dont find the sun as warm this month as it was last.
That is when it gets a chance to come out.:~(
The supposed threat of human civilisation against a fragile earth has now become an article of faith.
I'm not usually noted for adherance to articles of Faith.:lol:
But surely a point of view which says that Anthropological greenhouse gases are not responsible for most of the warming that has occurred is a matter of stronger Faith of the blind kind when there is clear tangible evidence of warming and rises in anthropological greenhouse gases?
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