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Countryman
29-Jan-06, 20:34
It seems that Ormlie Association are now in the wind farm business - not at Ormlie but at Shebster.
At a meeting of the Caithness West Community Council, Ormlie Association and Pentland Housing put forward their proposals for two Wind Turbines on the site next to Mr Sutherland's five wind turbines.
They offered "community benifits" saying that Shebster will share in the one million pounts income.
After being told in no uncertain terms that Shebster residents are completly opposed to not only the five being proposede by Mr Sutherland but also to the additional two from Ormlie Association.
They were then told by Mr Rosie of Ormlie Association if they were not interested in his proposal then they will lose out because he will still go ahead with the wind turbines at Shebster - so much for local democracy.
Does anyone from Ormlie or Pentland housing agree with this.
Are there any views from others in Caithness on these proposals.
Is there any windfarm location that would get the approval of someone who is anti windfarms?:confused:
If not then there is no debate on this issue.
rich62_uk
29-Jan-06, 21:07
On the Norfolk coast they tend to put the wind farms out to sea, would this be possible in the Caithness area if so would that be a good compromise. I am suggesting this although my knowledge on wind farms is zero. Trish.
There must be plenty of places right next to Ormlie where they could go! What's wrong with them going 500 meters off shore opposite the caravan park at Thurso so everybody could enjoy seeing them. If there are millions of pounds floating around to bribe Communities then any additional costs would be well catered for.
whooshjohnny
30-Jan-06, 08:22
Surely the top of Spring Park hill would be an ideal place to put a nice shiny wind farm, I mean they dont affect people in any way shape or form so why not put them right next to towns???
You can't put them near to towns, that's where all the voters are and it might upset them.
Far better to fill the countryside with them because there aren't enough voters there to kick us out of office!
what I don't understand is why Ormlie community should get to put a windmill, literally in someone else's back yard. There are plenty of places windmills could be put without intruding on peoples homes, I'm sure they wouldn't be happy if someone wanted to put them in the middle of the Ormlie estate.
But seriously can someone explain to me what the Ormlie community is going to get out of this - 2 windmills cannot hope to produce nearly enough energy to be used in the Ormlie area or enough to make much money selling it to the national grid.
p.s I don't live at Shebster by the way!
Fanny's Your Aunt
30-Jan-06, 23:42
Don't yet know exactly what size of turbines Ormlie Association are planning for Shebster and the people who live there but presumably they'll be about the size of those on the Causeymire.
The developers of the 3 turbines planned for Lieurary boasted that they would generate enough electricity to meet the requirements of all of Thurso.
2 turbines equals very, very big bucks - I heard a (rumour only) figure of around a million pounds over the lifetime of the turbines.
Anyone can apply to put a windfarm anywhere as long as they have use of the land required for the development. Up until now most of these developments have been instigated by the landowner for self profit but now we have 'Community' Windfarms - as above with with a cosy little community twist. Now companies and organisations can source land and develop a 'Community Windfarm' - if they get the funding and enough people interested in buying shares in the development.
Those poor unfortunate souls who live in the community chosen for the development either accept the financial bribe they'll be offered and put up with their turbine view and any associated noise and flicker problems or reject it because they don't want a windfarm - get no financial reward and still end up with the windfarm.
There is no way Ormlie Assoc would get away with erecting turbines around Thurso - far too many people would object. So it's off out to the country where the residents of the area can be labelled 'nimby', anti windfarm, the minority etc etc - and ignored.
BTW - Highland Council are proposing that as long as a community windfarm is less than 5MW (2/3 Causeymire size or 7/8 the size of those at the other end of the Causeymire) we could have them every 5km.
[quote=Countryman]It seems that Ormlie Association are now in the wind farm business - not at Ormlie but at Shebster.
At a meeting of the Caithness West Community Council, Ormlie Association and Pentland Housing put forward their proposals for two Wind Turbines on the site next to Mr Sutherland's five wind turbines.
An interesting twist.
Its OK in YOUR backyard!
I personnal quite like windmills, I enjoy watching them and am quite amazed at the sheer size of some of them, I cannot comment on how efficient they are or anything else but I am concerned that so many of them seem to be in the pipeline for Caithness.
I am also concerned by comments made by John Rosie as reported in today's courier " John Rosie told the community council that the scheme will go ahead regardless - and, if residents did not support it, they would not get any money" - this man served for years as a councillor yet he thinks he can ride roughshod over another community.
Again I ask what right does the Ormlie Community Association have to treat another community like this! If they want windmills and don't want to put them in their backyard then they should find land that is not inhabited - there's plenty of it around
It should be noted that Pentland Housing Association are NOT in any way associated with the proposals for Windmills put froward by John Rossie. We are interesed in alternative forms of energy where these can be of benifit to the community but not this one!
Fanny's Your Aunt
01-Feb-06, 23:49
It should be noted that Pentland Housing Association are NOT in any way associated with the proposals for Windmills put froward by John Rossie. We are interesed in alternative forms of energy where these can be of benifit to the community but not this one!
Bob M - Good to hear Pentland Housing is not involved in Mr Rosie's plans for Shebster community. Even better to hear about the interest in alternative forms of energy.
I am also concerned by comments made by John Rosie as reported in today's courier " John Rosie told the community council that the scheme will go ahead regardless - and, if residents did not support it, they would not get any money" - this man served for years as a councillor yet he thinks he can ride roughshod over another community.
Jay, I too could not believe what I read. Can somebody tell me where I live and what date it is because I seem to have slipped into a time warp.
I must have woken up from a dream of living in 21st Century Scotland. Am I living in Stalinist Russia or on Nazi Germany because it must be one or the other. I daren't go outside and ask in case I am grabbed by men in Jack-Boots and carted of as an Enemy of the State never to be seen again.
Do I have to live in fear of the knock on the door in the middle of the night? I thought our forbearers gave their lives to save us from tyrannies like that!
The whole concept absolutely disgusts, me as do the people involved in such high handed attitudes.
It would appear that there is a determined attempt to return Scotland to domination by Feudal Lords who treat the peasants like chattels and dispose of them as they wish.
And if a large Company treated them like that, guess who would be the first to scream about it and expect it to be stopped!
There is a name for what is being suggested and it's called Blackmail, the crime of Rogues and Scoundrels!
If you look at the names of both parties intent on building windfarms at Shebster - you will find that none of those involved live in Shebster.
I wonder how they feel about the possibility of a windfarm being near/within sight of their homes?????
The whole concept absolutely disgusts, me as do the people involved in such high handed attitudes.
It would appear that there is a determined attempt to return Scotland to domination by Feudal Lords who treat the peasants like chattels and dispose of them as they wish.
Perhaps we should consider lending support to the people of Shebster in the face of this outrageous proposal?
If you're interested in windfarms, especially opposing them, or just want to find out more, join CWIF (see http://www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/)
Just as well we're not relying on turbines for energy this cold weather - there hasn't been enough breeze these last few days to move a blade of grass. On the other hand, presumably the tides are going in and out as usual. Pity our esteemed representatives didn't think of that before putting all their eggs in one basket.
There seems to be something fundamentally wrong with shipping our raw resource south then being charged an arm and a leg to buy it back again through the meter! Plus the huge cost of a new pylon line. If our esteemed politicians had any savy they should be looking at converting any surplus electricity into hydrogen fuel or some other commodity in Caithness and selling it back to the power junkies in the south.
Once again the north gets ripped off! How can any one trust a government which can't even organise a dental service. No one has taken a hard look at how many wilderness afficianados are going to be deterred from visiting the north. Tourism like it or not is our biggest earner and none of the surveys have homed in on these specialist markets. Dirlot gorge is a gem in the Caithness land scape but if you stand by the Cattack Streams below the old cemetery the view out of the gorge and framed by its sides is filled by five windmills one behind the other. Try it!
They know not what they do but I can't forgive the short sighted money grubbing foley of what is going on when alternative technologies are just around the corner and lets face it global warming has been cooking for 200 years and it may even be too little too late.
Isn't the Ormlie proposal a community owned windfarm so money will be invested in the county, in comparison to others where we are left with an eyesore and no money?
Isn't the Ormlie proposal a community owned windfarm so money will be invested in the county, in comparison to others where we are left with an eyesore and no money?
That's the theory, so build it in or around Ormlie - for the community. The majority of people love turbines and there are absolutely no problems having them on your doorstep. The people in Shebster are the ones to choose whether or not to develop a windfarm for their community - not Ormlie Assoc.
That's the theory, so build it in or around Ormlie.
And I thought you were anti-windfarm? I didn't realise that you didn't mind them near to lots of housing.
And I thought you were anti-windfarm? I didn't realise that you didn't mind them near to lots of housing.
KittyMay is absolutely right in what she said. If Ormlie find Windfarms so wonderful then they should keep them and not be dumping them on somewhere that does not want them.
If the Ormlie Windfarm were for the benefit of the County then why would they be telling the people of Shebster that if they object then they will get nothing from them.
It's obvious from that just where the income from the windfarm is meant to go.
"What's mine is mine and what's yours is ours!", it's a wonderful dogma.
And I thought you were anti-windfarm? I didn't realise that you didn't mind them near to lots of housing.
Me, anti-windfarm?? I think it's only fair that the people who embrace this wonderful technology - saving the planet and making lots of cash into the bargain - should be given the opportunity to experience, fully, the delights of witnessing the majestic turbine in action. Why have hundreds of people driving miles (emitting filthy CO2) into the countryside to gaze in wonder at these delightful structures if it's possible to bring them to the people?
One house, one thousand houses - makes no difference. You either support wind energy or you don't.
It's too good to be true - a planet saving measure that MAKES bucket loads of cash. Something's not right!!
That's the theory, so build it in or around Ormlie - for the community. The majority of people love turbines and there are absolutely no problems having them on your doorstep. The people in Shebster are the ones to choose whether or not to develop a windfarm for their community - not Ormlie Assoc.
I assumed you were being sarcastic. Surely you don't mean this :confused:
why assume? if the people and I mean the people, not a couple of dictators, really want wind turbines, let them have them! in their own backyards. I'm sure there would be lots of objections then. but there is absolutely no excuse for one community to profit at the expense of another.
The government are always coming up with new ideas of what is bad for our health - how do we know that 10 years down the line it's not going to be turbines?
they should not be imposed on people who have spent time and money on their property and built a life within their community - and certainly not just to benefit another group. Ormlie has had thousands of pounds granted over the years and yes they've done a great job, the estate is looking good and is actually staying that way - don't lose public support now by destroying other peoples way of life
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