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Tilter
24-Oct-08, 15:14
I would like to submit the following motion to honourable ladies and gents of the Org:

That we should do away with Christmas and substitute an Easter-type holiday in its place. Reasons for this are:
(1) Easter is a nice gentle holiday – most of us get 2 days off work and there’s no stress – just relaxation.
(2) If you’re religious, you know what Easter’s about and attend church if you wish.
(3) You spend a tenner on a couple of Easter eggs for the kids, or give them a dozen eggs to boil in coloured water and paint, and they’re happy.
(4) If you want you can organise gentle, inexpensive family/community activities such as hunt-the easter eggs/rabbit etc.
(5) You have a low-key but slightly special family meal and get-together if you feel like it.

My case against Christmas remaining as it is:
(1) Stress stress stress (presents, puddings, cakes, cooking food, travelling, trees, arguments bla bla bla)
(2) Money money money (no need to explain)
(3) If you’re religious, it probably gets submerged by (1) and (2)
(4) Getting presents you could do without, aren’t keen on, feel obligated to return the expense
(5) If, like me, you enjoy giving presents rather than getting them, well – no problem – you can do that at any time of the year when the shops are less crowded or when you see something that’s just right for someone.

Oh yes, and our daughter’s sending me a pound of humbugs for my pressie this year.

wifie
24-Oct-08, 15:17
I have said it before and I will say it AGAIN! Christmas is what you make of it!

carasmam
24-Oct-08, 15:41
I have said it before and I will say it AGAIN! Christmas is what you make of it!

Here, here - or is it hear hear, I'm never sure !!!

I never find Christmas stressful, why do some folk get in such a tizzy about it :roll:

Lavenderblue2
24-Oct-08, 15:59
I think that Christmas has got totally out of hand - more so within the last ten years or so.
On average children are expecting more expensive gifts and worse than that parents are buying them!!
These days are a far cry from the days when my dear mum would gaze fondly at the dolly at the top of the Sunday school tree in the hope that she'd be the lucky one but sadly she never was, she would have to make do with a home made tattie doll as usual.

Yes, as much as I enjoy Chistmas I feel it should be toned down.

Maybe I'm just getting too old...:confused

KCI
24-Oct-08, 17:25
Christmas is my favourite time of year!
Everyone complains that Christmas is too commercialised now - well, just don't let it be!
I don't get too stressed about Christmas. I thought I would this year, as for the first time, I'm not working. But I started my shopping early, and have managed to pick up a few bargains, so it's fine. Family and friends will all understand that I'm not working this year, so can only afford small gifts.
I love seeing my son's face on Christmas Eve, when we talk about Santa, sprinkle reindeer dust in the garden so they know where to go, and leave Santa something nice to eat and drink! I see how excited he is when he goes to bed, and I can remember how excited I used to be at his age! Well, I can just about remember!
I love Christmas Day - not that we do anything special. We always stay at home, and I get to see my husband, son and cats open their pressies, take loads of photos, and then we cook a huge lunch. We call other members of the family, and sometimes visit them at tea time.
Christmas doesn't need to be a stressful time - I think we make it that way for ourselves sometimes.

TBH
24-Oct-08, 20:37
I would like to submit the following motion to honourable ladies and gents of the Org:

That we should do away with Christmas and substitute an Easter-type holiday in its place. Reasons for this are:
(1) Easter is a nice gentle holiday – most of us get 2 days off work and there’s no stress – just relaxation.
(2) If you’re religious, you know what Easter’s about and attend church if you wish.
(3) You spend a tenner on a couple of Easter eggs for the kids, or give them a dozen eggs to boil in coloured water and paint, and they’re happy.
(4) If you want you can organise gentle, inexpensive family/community activities such as hunt-the easter eggs/rabbit etc.
(5) You have a low-key but slightly special family meal and get-together if you feel like it.

My case against Christmas remaining as it is:
(1) Stress stress stress (presents, puddings, cakes, cooking food, travelling, trees, arguments bla bla bla)
(2) Money money money (no need to explain)
(3) If you’re religious, it probably gets submerged by (1) and (2)
(4) Getting presents you could do without, aren’t keen on, feel obligated to return the expense
(5) If, like me, you enjoy giving presents rather than getting them, well – no problem – you can do that at any time of the year when the shops are less crowded or when you see something that’s just right for someone.

Oh yes, and our daughter’s sending me a pound of humbugs for my pressie this year.Well, ebenezer, er, Tilter. If the pc brigade have their way there will be none of us celebrating any Christian religious festivals.

balto
24-Oct-08, 20:51
I have said it before and I will say it AGAIN! Christmas is what you make of it!
totally agree with you here wifie, couldnt imagine not having christmas, i love christmas and the build up that it brings, dont mind the stress cause it is worth it when the big day arrives.

teenybash
24-Oct-08, 21:31
I think Christmas is fine where it is and each family will celebrate it in their own unique way........tis a lovely time to look forward to and brightens up the dark winter with pretty decorations, strings of fairy lights and brightly coloured packages waiting to be opened......................:)

TBH
24-Oct-08, 21:33
Commercialism has really spoilt the magic that was Christmas when I was a lad.

wifie
24-Oct-08, 21:37
Commercialism has really spoilt the magic that was Christmas when I was a lad.

I am also in agreement wi the folk who think Christmas has changed - the commercial aspect is disgusting (not just Christmas it has spoiled). The answer to this lies with us all tho - make it simple again - do it your way!

TBH
24-Oct-08, 21:39
I am also in agreement wi the folk who think Christmas has changed - the commercial aspect is disgusting (not just Christmas it has spoiled). The answer to this lies with us all tho - make it simple again - do it your way!You can try to do it your own way but Christmas for instance is thrust upon us hot on the heels of halloween.

wifie
24-Oct-08, 21:49
You can try to do it your own way but Christmas for instance is thrust upon us hot on the heels of halloween.

The point I am making is that it does not have to be! People power is the only thing that retailers recognise so don't play the games. I know tho that it is hard when they offer incentives to buy stuff early but we are the ones wi the real power!

TBH
24-Oct-08, 21:53
The point I am making is that it does not have to be! People power is the only thing that retailers recognise so don't play the games. I know tho that it is hard when they offer incentives to buy stuff early but we are the ones wi the real power!We haven't got a chance. Supermarkets have psychologists planning our every move.[lol]

wifie
24-Oct-08, 21:56
We haven't got a chance. Supermarkets have psychologists planning our every move.[lol]

Resist! You must resist! [lol]

TBH
24-Oct-08, 22:06
Resist! You must resist! [lol]It's been said before but you can go in those places for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk and come out with £70 worth of shopping. 'Cause if my eyes don't deceive me,
There's something going wrong around here ........:eek:

wifie
24-Oct-08, 22:10
Is she really goin out with him? Surely not cos he has no will power! [lol]

TBH
24-Oct-08, 22:13
Is she really goin out with him? Surely not cos he has now will power! [lol]Will power, great band.:lol: Anyhoo, shops should be banned from selling christmas goods until a decent time of year, i'e, a lot nearer christmas. Same goes for advertising.

wifie
24-Oct-08, 22:15
Will power, great band.:lol: Anyhoo, shops should be banned from selling christmas goods until a decent time of year, i'e, a lot nearer christmas. Same goes for advertising.

Yep with you on that one too! Think there is a country that does that - somewhere in Europe canna mind where!

gleeber
24-Oct-08, 22:46
I think Christmas has exposed some very vulnerable peculiarities about the human animal.
I started work in the early 60s and in those days in Scotland Christmas Day was just another day for the adults. We had 3 days off at New Year and in relative terms at todays values that was like 2 weeks in Disneyworld.
Of course there were people who did the full Christmas thing but the masses hedna caught on yet. Fruit in a stocking and a bag of ballons if you were lucky was a highlight.
I never bothered with Christmas until my daughter was born. Then I started. By the time I had caught up I noticed everyone else was as mad as me.
Its changed so much in the last 30 years. There's a familiar buzz of anticipation when we see the lovely juicy sparkly wrapped up presents. I'm getting excited thinking about it lol.
It must be particularly stressfull for millions of people though and the media could do more to highlight the problems. It's also become staid in it's present form.
Something I always like doing at Christmas was singing carols. It's carols that remind me most of Christmas.

Kodiak
24-Oct-08, 23:50
I would agree but for one thing.

At Christmas my Son and his Wife + my 2 Grand Daughters come up to vist us from Edinburgh.

As this is the only time I get to see my Grand Daughters I have to say :-

Leave Christmas Alone as it is, Dont care about the Stress or the Cost as Long as I see my Grand Daughters.

henry20
25-Oct-08, 09:03
Will power, great band.:lol: Anyhoo, shops should be banned from selling christmas goods until a decent time of year, i'e, a lot nearer christmas. Same goes for advertising.

I have to agree - and I work in a shop that sells Xmas goods. I would be much happier if we only put the stock out on 1st December, but if we do that, then we won't sell much as everyone has bought from elsewhere.

It would be fine if ALL shops could agree to not put anything out until December, but can you really see Woolies/Co-op/Tesco's agreeing to this?

Kevin Milkins
25-Oct-08, 09:51
I am with you on this one Titler.
We have moved so far away from the original idea of celebrating the birth of Jesus ,its become laughable.:lol:

The presant economic climate might be its savior. With all the hype that we are getting about the big "R" now is the time to turn a negative into a positive.

Christmas morning just hand out a few hand made toys wrapped in old newspaper, and when the looks start just shrug your shoulders and say,"Its the credit crunch aint it".:confused
I am sure by now most people would have heared about it.

balto
25-Oct-08, 16:22
I would agree but for one thing.

At Christmas my Son and his Wife + my 2 Grand Daughters come up to vist us from Edinburgh.

As this is the only time I get to see my Grand Daughters I have to say :-

Leave Christmas Alone as it is, Dont care about the Stress or the Cost as Long as I see my Grand Daughters.
if only all familys felt the same as you, nice to know there are some caring grandparents out there.

JAWS
26-Oct-08, 03:41
I only have one real objection to Christmas as it is. I'm fairly sure that when I was young, many, many years ago I admit, Christmas stuff only started to appear at the beginning of December or possibly right at the end on November.
Now Christmas stuff seems to appear as soon as the Summer Holiday period is over around September and goes on and on from them.

I suspect a lot of the problems now is that by the time Christmas actually arrives most people have got heartily sick of it because of the long, long, commercial build-up.

Besides that, I always thought you heathens North of the Border were more interested in Hogmanay than Christmas. A kind of Bring on the Bagpipes and Junk the Jingle Bells.

horseman
26-Oct-08, 05:14
jaws-what an absolutely awful negative post on our number one holiday of the year!
as to your last paragraph-bollocks to that!

Welcomefamily
26-Oct-08, 10:38
I love Christmas, it is a shame its has become so commerical but its still brill. I have to agree with some posters that it would be better to start selling from the first of December.

Tilter
27-Oct-08, 01:57
The presant economic climate might be its savior. With all the hype that we are getting about the big "R" now is the time to turn a negative into a positive.

This could just be the excuse I'm looking for KM.

(Love and Peace and Goodwill to all from Ebeneezer)