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Melancholy Man
17-Sep-08, 23:09
How could anyone have thought the founder of the BNP was a Nazi?

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/images/BNP_JohnTyndall02.gif

I mean, when he was in the National Front it was only for the gothic lettering and shiny boots.

And Kenny Smith (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6572475.stm)! All that flying the Third Reich flag outside his home on the 20 April was a misunderstanding. Those Lewismen are a sensitive lot. Look at what a lovely boy he is:

http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/images/CharlieChaplin_KennySmith.gif

Someone told me that Oswald Mosley was a Nazi, but I don't think he was genuinely eager to champion the unemployed and other underdogs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vrQS10cb0A)... well... some underdogs...

TBH
18-Sep-08, 00:51
Watch out for those nihilistic strasserites, they're the worst kind.[para]

joxville
18-Sep-08, 02:56
May I be the first of many to wonder what the hell this thread is about? Does it have a purpose or direction? Sorry MM, it's gone over my head.

hotrod4
18-Sep-08, 06:23
And whats wrong with what Kenny Smith is saying?
I am sorry MM but I dont get alot of your posts any chance you could do a translation for all the people that dont come from your planet? ;)

floyed
18-Sep-08, 08:15
May I be the first of many to wonder what the hell this thread is about? Does it have a purpose or direction? Sorry MM, it's gone over my head.


Im with you, have no idea what this thread is about:eek:

northener
18-Sep-08, 08:39
Im with you, have no idea what this thread is about:eek:

It's a digital representation of someones' grinding axe........

It'll allow MM to drag his soapbox out and wax lyrically about BNP/Nazis and the direct relation between them and certain .Orgers.

Have fun!

Rheghead
18-Sep-08, 08:45
How could anyone have thought the founder of the BNP was a Nazi?

Yes but wasn't the founder of the Nazi party a Roman Catholic? And the founder of that religion was a jew?

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj184/resinweber/JesusNazi.jpg

joxville
18-Sep-08, 12:09
It's a digital representation of someones' grinding axe........

It'll allow MM to drag his soapbox out and wax lyrically about BNP/Nazis and the direct relation between them and certain .Orgers.

Have fun!


Thanks Northener. Now I have a reason not too care.

Angela
18-Sep-08, 12:13
It's a digital representation of someones' grinding axe........



Ah, axe sharpening.....! :roll: And here was I trying to find some reason for this thread.

Silly me! ;)

Melancholy Man
18-Sep-08, 14:20
Watch out for those nihilistic strasserites, they're the worst kind.[para]

Nah, the nihilists are those who think the Strasserites, or Strasserists even, are of just another political opinion and can be safely ignored. Unlike personal insults on the Internet.


And whats wrong with what Kenny Smith is saying?

Apart from the fact that he's a member of a virulently racist political party which used Holyrood funds to promote a images of black figures as tribal savages (http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/index.php?location=news&art=641)?

Because the party leader is linked to Roberto Fiore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Fiore) and other Italian fascists who, during the 1970s and 80s, were linked to bombings which killed as many, if not more as have been killed in Western Europe by jihadis? (He has a glass-eye, with the jury out on whether he tossed shot-gun cartridges on a campfire with RF, or from bonfire waste at his EU-funded farm.) Just as he has been linked to illicit fund-raising (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2007/apr/12/thefarright.politics) from the KKK?

Because, on its periphery, it has individuals like Martyn Gillieard (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7469180.stm), furious at immigration to his country which he did not vote for. And a convicted paedophile. Neo-Nazi paedophiles touch only white kids, I assume.

Because their Leeds organizer, Mark Collett, is less concerned about his known predilection (http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2007/12/dave-hannam-and-mark-collett-morecambe.html) for mid-teen girls than sexual offence by Muslims (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/jan/18/race.religion)?

TBH
18-Sep-08, 14:35
Nah, the nihilists are those who think the Strasserites, or Strasserists even, are of just another political opinion and can be safely ignored. Unlike personal insults on the Internet.
Would that make them a fatalist?

Melancholy Man
18-Sep-08, 14:45
Would that make them a fatalist?

Only if they thought the fascists couldn't be stopped. They can, and have (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzKv5gjOzTA).

I l-o-o-o-o-o-o-ve the latest comment:


Actually Moseley and his people marched thru Cable street on many occasions and were warmly greeted by the locals. This was the only occasion when there was trouble. The East Enders liked Moseley a lot.

Until he showed his colours as a racist out to bash those East Enders who'd long since been accepted!


If Moseley could have broken his support for the German nazis
we would have had a proper nationalist government in England by now.

Yeah, if only he hadn't been a Blackshirt and outright Nazi, unlike that excitable Austrian (but the Rosembaums were just thugs), he'd have been elected. Of all the stupid comments I've seen on the Internet (and there is some stiff competition), this takes the biscuit!

Ne pasaran.

hotrod4
18-Sep-08, 16:27
Nope still dont get it. ;)
Many parties have undesirables in them. I am not saying I would vote BNP but I can see where they are coming from.
Qoute:
The British National Party believes in telling the truth, even if it is sometimes uncomfortable to hear or offensive to those who would rather bury their heads in the sand than face real problems in our society. But while we often pass quite critical comment on the impact of immigration, multi-culturalism and alien religions on the indigenous people of our lands, we have no animosity towards immigrants, their descendants or the followers of non-native religions. Nor do we intend to encourage others to feel such animosity, or believe that anything we have to say is likely to 'stir up hatred' against anyone.

Either agree with me or the stormtroopers are on their way round!!! ;) (Thats a joke by the way..........Its their day off)

scorrie
18-Sep-08, 16:44
Watch out for those nihilistic strasserites, they're the worst kind.[para]

No, Stalagmites and Stalactites are worse.

hotrod4
18-Sep-08, 17:03
No, Stalagmites and Stalactites are worse.

Didnt know you wore them scorrie(stalactites) I suppose they will match those pants that you "acquired" ;)

scorrie
18-Sep-08, 17:30
Didnt know you wore them scorrie(stalactites) I suppose they will match those pants that you "acquired" ;)

No, no. You are confusing them with Stalag Tights i.e. German POW camp fluorescent hosiery that gives you away the moment you step into the searchlights. ps Those pants were walking, of their own accord, to the Laundry near The Yard when I found them.

Melancholy Man
18-Sep-08, 19:02
I am not saying I would vote BNP but I can see where they are coming from.

I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse or not, but there is no reasonable justification for supporting a party of racists and street-thugs. Pray tell, what experience does Caithness have with mass immigration? And people wonder what I mean when I say the BNP base comes from the middle-classes and rural areas.

Political parties do, indeed, have their "undesirables". Some more than others, such as a parliament of hooligans which is the BNP. See Luke Smith (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/3715917.stm), which BNP sites thought a good publicity shot. An upcoming councillor who turned out to be a convicted football hooligan.

Luke Smith recently committed suicide. I take no delight in this, but talk of "psychological problems (http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/3219794.Shock_as_man_is_found_hanged_in_Burnley/)" strongly suggests the BNP recruits from borderline psychos.

The BNP is a small-time party, but the effects on those they target are anything but. Nor are they keen on racial solidarity amongst their own. Luke Smith was expelled for glassing Oldham regional organizer Mick Treacy, who in turned had a string of convictions for theft and public order offences. They are currently under investigation (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bnp-faces-inquiry-for-illegal-activity-765893.html) from the electoral commission for embezelment and misappropriation of funds.

See also their approach (http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2007/12/bnp-in-chaos-as-graham-and-smith.html) to internal discipline, which includes breaking and entering of member's houses, such as the delightful Kenny Smith. Pay close attention to John Walker's advice to Danny Lake!

There's one line of thinking that all this in-fighting is being coordinated by Nick Griffin, who wishes to flush out the undesirables and set his party along the path for Third Position and post-fascism. There is another, which I subscribe to, which states that they're a bunch of political halfwits but consummate thugs who couldn't organize a piss-up in a German themed pub.


No, Stalagmites and Stalactites are worse.

Which are the ones which go down and which go up?

loobyloo
18-Sep-08, 19:36
I have absolutely no time for the BNP. As far as I'm concerned this planet belongs to everyone. Just because the BNP are trying to look respectable in order to get votes, doesn't mean people have to be taken in.
What happened in Germany could happen anywhere. It just takes the right set of circumstances to re-occur and history will repeat itself. God help us if parties like the BNP get into power.

TBH
18-Sep-08, 19:50
Are there no BNP ideas that someone could agree with or would that make them racist?

loobyloo
18-Sep-08, 20:00
Are there no BNP ideas that someone could agree with or would that make them racist?

In a word, no. Not because the part is racist but the sum, certainly is.

Does that make sense?

loobyloo
18-Sep-08, 20:04
In a word, no. Not because the part is racist but the sum, certainly is.

Does that make sense?

Just realised, it doesn't make sense. Tried to edit it but it won't let me.

Anyhoo, I meant to say, the 'part isn't racist but the sum certainly is'.

Doh...

TBH
18-Sep-08, 20:11
Just realised, it doesn't make sense. Tried to edit it but it won't let me.

Anyhoo, I meant to say, the 'part isn't racist but the sum certainly is'.

Doh...So the sum maybe racist but parts of the sum are not so would we be restricting ourselves socially not to take on board some of their ideas.
So in that vein we should not have accepted research results gained by Nazi scientists through experiments on prisoners?

The Pepsi Challenge
18-Sep-08, 20:17
Nope still dont get it. ;)
Many parties have undesirables in them. I am not saying I would vote BNP but I can see where they are coming from.
Qoute:
The British National Party believes in telling the truth, even if it is sometimes uncomfortable to hear or offensive to those who would rather bury their heads in the sand than face real problems in our society. But while we often pass quite critical comment on the impact of immigration, multi-culturalism and alien religions on the indigenous people of our lands, we have no animosity towards immigrants, their descendants or the followers of non-native religions. Nor do we intend to encourage others to feel such animosity, or believe that anything we have to say is likely to 'stir up hatred' against anyone.

Either agree with me or the stormtroopers are on their way round!!! ;) (Thats a joke by the way..........Its their day off)


Oh, the ironing :P

loobyloo
18-Sep-08, 22:15
So the sum maybe racist but parts of the sum are not so would we be restricting ourselves socially not to take on board some of their ideas.
So in that vein we should not have accepted research results gained by Nazi scientists through experiments on prisoners?

If you are asking whether I would prefer that both children and adults had not been tortured, mutilated and killed in order to advance science, then it's a no brainer for me.

TBH
18-Sep-08, 22:41
If you are asking whether I would prefer that both children and adults had not been tortured, mutilated and killed in order to advance science, then it's a no brainer for me.I'm asking whether it was right to use the data.

Melancholy Man
19-Sep-08, 10:38
So the sum maybe racist but parts of the sum are not so would we be restricting ourselves socially not to take on board some of their ideas.

Such as their green issues?


• Put solar panels on all public buildings. We must increase our use of renewable energy. We would therefore promote the development, production and use of photovoltaic panels;


• Plant more trees. We would like to see more trees in London, and would consider planting fruit trees (apples, pears, plums, etc) to provide Londoners with free fruit which would be a boost for public health;


• Save the free plastic carrier bag. Plastic carrier bags can and should be made degradable. Once this is done the campaign against them becomes wholly illogical and counter productive and will harm the lowest paid who re-use these bags as rubbish bags. Use of black bin liners has increased fourfold in Ireland since free carrier bags were banned.

(Taken from their manifesto, which I won't link to, but ewes can google a quote.)

If there is anything of worth in BNP policies, it will be present elsewhere. I like cinnamon, but wouldn't eat a cinnamon-dusted faeces sandwich.


So in that vein we should not have accepted research results gained by Nazi scientists through experiments on prisoners?

There is a difference between analysing, post hoc, data from those abominable experiments for *universal* medical science to benefit *everyone* (and discarding those which satisfied only the sadistic urges of Wirths et al.), and continuing the practice of experimenting on certain population groups to benefit only other named groups. Surely you can see that?