Sutherland, Miller family in Pultney, Wick

[missbitty]

I have Donald Sutherland married to Jean/Jane Miller 15 Jul 1837. Donald was an accountant in Wick. Witnesses to their marriage were James Henderson, Esquire of Pultney Distillery for the groom and John Lawson, Surgeon for the bride.

On the census 1841, 1851, and 1861 they just have that they lived in Argyle Square. In the 1871 census it specifically lists 17 Argyle Square. In the 1881 census I found two of their daughters living at 15 Argyle Square, Donaldina and Jane Sutherland.

A local researcher went to the archives for me in 2000 and came up with the following children for Donald and Jane, all born in Pultney, Wick:

John born 20 Oct 1838
Donald born 31 Aug 1839
James born 28 Apr 1840
Alexander born 12 Jun 1841
Elizabeth born 28 Oct 1842
Donaldina born 25 Jan 1845
John Alexander born 5 May 1847
James born 20 Sept 1849
William Smellie Miller born 16 Nov 1851
James Patrick Doull Calder born 16 Oct 1853
Anne Miller born 13 Feb 1856
Helena born 23 Jan 1858
Jane born 29 June 1859

On James Patrick's birth register, it says:

James Patrick Doull Calder Sutherland son of Donald Sutherland Accountant Pultneytown and his wife Jane Miller was born on the sixteenth day if October eighteen hundred and fifty three and baptized by the Rev William Lillie Witness to the birth William Smellie M.D. and Mrs Margaret Manson.

William Smellie was married to Anne Miller, so there may be a family connection there.

I believe Donald died 25 Apr 1873. I think Jane died before him, but I don't know when. Rev. Lillie is listed as a minister at Wick Parish Church, so I would think that is where they attended church.

If anyone lives in the area and had a digital camera, I would love a picture of 15 and 17 Argyle Square.

I would like to chat with anyone who has information about this family.

[missbitty]

Correction to my earlier posting:

After researching on:

http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ (http://freecen.rootsweb.com/)

and

http://www.ambaile.org.uk/en/newspapers/ (http://www.ambaile.org.uk/en/newspapers/)

I have come to the conclusion that not all of the children that the researcher listed for Donald and Jane Sutherland belong to my Donald and Jane. Here is a revised list:


Donald born 31 Aug 1839 (died November 1842)
Donaldina born 25 Jan 1845
John Alexander born 5 May 1847
James born 20 Sept 1849
William Smellie Miller born 16 Nov 1851
James Patrick Doull Calder born 16 Oct 1853
Anne Miller born 13 Feb 1856
Helena born 23 Jan 1858 (died March 1858)
Jane born 29 June 1859

On the census for 1851 and 1861 they also have a Robert M listed with them as their son, but I couldn't find any information to verify his birth. If anyone has any information about this family I would greatly appreciate talking with you! :)

[Tricia]

Hi there. Yes you are correct not all children were your Donald & James.
Here is Robert :
ROBERT MILLER SUTHERLAND born 31 JUL 1842 Wick, Caithness, Scotland
to Donald & Jean.


TWO Donald Sutherlands married Jane Millers same year:
1. DONALD SUTHERLAND - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 15 SEP 1837 Wick, Caithness, Scotland
2. DONALD SUTHERLAND - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 22 DEC 1837 Wick, Caithness, Scotland

BELOW census for 2 families 1841 1851 1861.I have more.
1841 census - 2 families:
Piece: SCT1841/43 Place: Wick -Caithness Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Wick Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 5
Address: Browneban
-- Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SUTHERLAND Donald M 25 Farmer Caithness
SUTHERLAND Jane (Wife) F 25 Caithness
SUTHERLAND John M 2 Caithness
SUTHERLAND James M 1 Caithness

Piece: SCT1841/43 Place: Wick -Caithness Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Wick Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 26
Address: Argyle Square
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SUTHERLAND Donald M 30 Accountant Caithness
SUTHERLAND Jane F 20 Caithness
SUTHERLAND Donald M 1 Caithness
BAIN Margaret F 25 Female Servant Caithness
***************
1851: Note he is a widower.
Piece: SCT1851/43 Place: Wick -Caithness Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: Wick Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Wick
Folio: 0 Page: 10 Schedule: 26
Address: Thrumster
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SUTHERLAND Donald Head W M 36 Fisherman & Farmer Sutherland - Kildonan
SUTHERLAND John Son U M 12 Scholar Caithness - Thrumster Wick
SUTHERLAND James Son U M 11 Scholar Caithness - Thrumster Wick
SUTHERLAND Alexander Son U M 9 Scholar Caithness - Thrumster Wick
SUTHERLAND Elizabeth Dau - F 7 Scholar Caithness - Thrumster Wick
SUTHERLAND Donald Son - M 5 Scholar Caithness - Thrumster Wick
SUTHERLAND Margaret Dau - F 4 - Caithness - Thrumster Wick
SUTHERLAND David Son - M 7m - Caithness - Thrumster Wick
SWANSON Isabella Servnt U F 30 House Servant. Caithness - Ulbster Wick
MILLER Francis Servnt - M 11 Servant. Caithness - Bruan Wick
BRUCE Ann Lodger U F 34 - Caithness - Wick


Piece: SCT1851/43 Place: Wick -Caithness Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Wick Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Wick
Folio: 0 Page: 28 Schedule: 118
Address: Argyle Square
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SUTHERLAND Donald Head M M 43 Accountant Caithness - Thurso
SUTHERLAND Jean Wife M F 33 - Caithness - Wick
SUTHERLAND Robert Son - M 7 Scholar Caithness - Wick
SUTHERLAND Donaldina Dau - F 6 Scholar Caithness - Wick
SUTHERLAND John A. Son - M 3 Scholar Caithness - Wick
SUTHERLAND James C. - - M 1 - Caithness - Wick
COGHILL Mary Servnt U F 20 House Servant Caithness - Wick

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1861 Wick Parish:
SUTHERLAND Donald Head W M 46 Cottar SUT Kildonan
SUTHERLAND John Son U M 22 Carpenter Boat CAI Wick
SUTHERLAND James Son U M 21 Fisherman CAI Wick
SUTHERLAND Alexander Son U M 19 Fisherman CAI Wick
SUTHERLAND Elizabeth Daur U F 17 O CAI Wick
SUTHERLAND Donald Son O M 15 O CAI Wick
SUTHERLAND David Son O M 10 O CAI Wick

Argyle Square WICK 1861:
SUTHERLAND Donald Head M M 53 Accountant CAI Thurso 1808
SUTHERLAND Jane M. Wife M F 43 Do Wife CAI Wick 1818
SUTHERLAND Robert M. Son U M 17 Cooper CAI Wick 1844
SUTHERLAND Donaldina Daur O F 15 Scholar CAI Wick 1846
SUTHERLAND John A. Son O M 13 Scholar CAI Wick 1848
SUTHERLAND William S. Son O M 9 Scholar CAI Wick 1852
SUTHERLAND James P. Son O M 7 Scholar CAI Wick 1854
SUTHERLAND Anne Daur O F 5 Scholar CAI Wick 1856
SUTHERLAND Jane Daur O F 1 O CAI Wick 1860
MORRISON Christina Servnt. O F 17 Dom. Servnt. SUT Eddrachills 1844


Hope the above helps someone sort out the two families
:
Do you have parents of your Donald and Jane?
I have links via marriage of James Sutherland born 1840 app
Tricia

[missbitty]

Thank you!

I'm not sure about Donald's parents but I believe Jean/Jane's parents are Robert Miller and Anne Bain Miller. I also believe that Robert and Anne had a daughter named Anne that married William Smellie, M.D.:

People > Marriages
Smellie, William M.D. to Ann Bain daugher of Robert Miller, merchant Pulteneytown
John O'Groat Journal Friday, February 22, 1850

I think this is the elder Anne's death announcement:

People > Deaths
Bain, Mrs Anne (relict of Robert Miller) Pulteney
John O'Groat Journal Friday, November 1, 1839

I have e-mailed the Wick library to get a copy of these and other records I found that seem to go with the information I have. I know that Donaldina, James Patrick and Jane all went to Kansas, USA.

[Tricia]

William Smellie died 1858.
his widow married again
1871 she is with
Name: Daniel Smith
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Ann B M
Gender: Male
Where born: Wick, Caithness
Registration Number: 644/6
Registration district: Blythswood
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 304 Bath St
Occupation: Master Plasterer
ED: 46
Household schedule number: 68
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1871_134
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Smith 60
Ann B M Smith 50
James Smellie 20
Archibald Smellie 19
Elliot Adams 22 servant
Ann Smellie 19

NB the Smellie children are listed all born Wick and as stepchildren to Daniel Smith.

I need to explore the SMITH SMELLIE names further as I have relations John SMITH snr and Jnr who were both Medical Doctors in Wick same period as William Smellie. (not to be confused with John Smith Surgeon in Thurso.
John Smith Jnr marries to a family who have SMELLIE rellies (Stirlingshire).

Tricia

[missbitty]

Tricia,
Thank you so much for your kindness. This is the info I have on Smellie through looking at the archives of the John O'Groats Journal and Inverness Advertiser:

People > Marriages
Smellie, William M.D. to Ann Bain daugher of Robert Miller, merchant Pulteneytown
John O'Groat Journal Friday, February 22, 1850

People > Marriages
Smellie, William MD, surgeon, Pulteneytown
Inverness Advertiser Tuesday, February 26, 1850
Page/Col Ref:7A

People > Births
Smellie, Dr and Mrs Wm. Bridge Street, Wick a son
John O'Groat Journal Friday, January 31, 1851

(same child as above)
People > Births
Smellie, Dr, Bridge Street, Wick, son
Inverness Advertiser Tuesday, February 11, 1851
Page/Col Ref:7E

People > Births
Smellie, Dr and Mrs Wm. Bridge Street, Wick a daughter
John O'Groat Journal Friday, April 9, 1852

People > Births
Smellie, Dr and Mrs Wm. Bridge Street, Wick a son
John O'Groat Journal Friday, September 23, 1853

(same child as above)
People > Births
Smellie, Dr, Bridge Street, Wick, son
Inverness Advertiser Tuesday, September 27, 1853
Page/Col Ref:7E

People > Births
Smellie, Dr and Mrs Wm. Bridge Street, Wick a daughter
John O'Groat Journal Friday, July 9, 1858

People > Deaths
Smellie, William, MD, Bridge Street, Wick
Inverness Advertiser Tuesday, December 21, 1858
Page/Col Ref:7D

People > Deaths
Smellie, William esq M.D. aged 38 years at Bridge Street, Wick
John O'Groat Journal Thursday, December 16, 1858

People > Deaths
Smellie, Archibald (younger son of late Dr. Smellie: Wick) 119 Hill Street: Garrethill Glasgow
John O'Groat Journal Thursday, May 7, 1874

People > Deaths
Smellie, Reverend Andrew (aged 30), Free Church Manse, Deerness, Orkney
Inverness Advertiser Tuesday, March 25, 1851
Page/Col Ref:7E

People > Deaths
Smellie, Reverend James, Free Church manse, St Andrews, Orkney
Inverness Advertiser Tuesday, January 4, 1853
Page/Col Ref:7E

I don't know if the last two are related to William Smellie but it doesn't seem like a common name.

[missbitty]

Tricia,
I found this about a Dr Smith and Dr Smellie:

Events > Accidents

Jean Farquhar was helping her son in Mr. Bremners sawmills, whilst her son was out of the room she placed her arm on the bench (on which the saw revolved) the saw almost severed her arm and lacerated it badly. She had to have her arm amputated by Drs Smellie and Smith.
John O'Groat Journal Friday, July 29, 1853

[Tricia]

To Missbitty:
Thanks for all the data. It all helps. I am away to search further now.

Just for info the other SMELLIE name in my tree on John SMITH's line was sometimes recorded in early 1800s as SMEAL etc Name also Smillie in some census

Where do you relate to The Sutherland and Miller family?

Tricia
born in Wick.

[missbitty]

Tricia,
My line is James Patrick Doull Calder Sutherland. He was my 3rd great grandfather. So Jane Miller and Donald Sutherland were my 4th great-grandparents and Robert Miller and Anne Bain were my 5th great-grandparents. William Smellie would have been Pat's (as he was called) uncle by marriage to Jane's sister Anne.

I see you were born in Wick. My cousin is going to spend a few days there in June (lucky devil!). What would be some good places for him to go for research purposes and just to see nice sites?

Thanks,
Kisha

[Ajax]

I have Donald Sutherland married to Jean/Jane Miller 15 Jul 1837. Donald was an accountant in Wick. Witnesses to their marriage were James Henderson, Esquire of Pultney Distillery for the groom and John Lawson, Surgeon for the bride.

On the census 1841, 1851, and 1861 they just have that they lived in Argyle Square. In the 1871 census it specifically lists 17 Argyle Square. In the 1881 census I found two of their daughters living at 15 Argyle Square, Donaldina and Jane Sutherland.

A local researcher went to the archives for me in 2000 and came up with the following children for Donald and Jane, all born in Pultney, Wick:

John born 20 Oct 1838
Donald born 31 Aug 1839
James born 28 Apr 1840
Alexander born 12 Jun 1841
Elizabeth born 28 Oct 1842
Donaldina born 25 Jan 1845
John Alexander born 5 May 1847
James born 20 Sept 1849
William Smellie Miller born 16 Nov 1851
James Patrick Doull Calder born 16 Oct 1853
Anne Miller born 13 Feb 1856
Helena born 23 Jan 1858
Jane born 29 June 1859

On James Patrick's birth register, it says:

James Patrick Doull Calder Sutherland son of Donald Sutherland Accountant Pultneytown and his wife Jane Miller was born on the sixteenth day if October eighteen hundred and fifty three and baptized by the Rev William Lillie Witness to the birth William Smellie M.D. and Mrs Margaret Manson.

William Smellie was married to Anne Miller, so there may be a family connection there.

I believe Donald died 25 Apr 1873. I think Jane died before him, but I don't know when. Rev. Lillie is listed as a minister at Wick Parish Church, so I would think that is where they attended church.

If anyone lives in the area and had a digital camera, I would love a picture of 15 and 17 Argyle Square.

I would like to chat with anyone who has information about this family. hi i was just looking through the web and i am also very interested on tracing my family tree some who have gone to n z but i will send you photos ofargyll square my sister in law lives at 14 i live just around the corner upper dunbar st in the same type of houses i will send them tomorrow as its raining just now but its supposed to be sunny tomorrow
:Razz

[Ajax]

hi i was just looking through the web and i am also very interested on tracing my family tree some who have gone to n z but i will send you photos ofargyll square my sister in law lives at 14 i live just around the corner upper dunbar st in the same type of houses i will send them tomorrow as its raining just now but its supposed to be sunny tomorrow
:Razz oh by t happy huntinghe way my granny was a miller my mothers name was anne miller thompson