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After watching CH5 news last night I had to post on here to get some opinions.
They were on about lads mags like "zoo" and "nuts" etc and asking if it exploits women.
I find them harmless and in no way degrading to women as its not "porn" and goes on about how beautiful the women featured are. A tory politician was on about how it "degrades" women. Somehow I think his time would have been better used on the "top shelf" mags that ARE degrading to women like "org readers wives" etc ;).
I see mags like "zoo" etc as harmless and not likely to turn the readers into "bad fathers" as Mr Politician put it.The mags are full of "men stuff" that appeals to a certain age range and i cant see nowt wrong with it and I am approaching mid-life.(no crisis here)
Interested to see how you all feel as there is a large cross section of orgers covering various ages and persuasions.
northener
05-Aug-08, 08:10
I think it's the usual hot air from someone looking for an easy cause to champion. You're right - he'd be better off targeting the meat trade stuff like 'Readers Wifies'...appallingly bad taste - there's nothing in there that could be classed as tasteful.
I don't buy them (Zoo, Nuts, Heat) meself, frankly I find a lot of the content rather brainless but there's nothing in there that 'degrades' women. If yer don't like it, don't buy it.
Welcomefamily
05-Aug-08, 08:25
I think it depends on the individual, I would not see them as degrading of women, but that depends on the eye of the beholder, but I rather read a car mag instead.
Lads mags good or bad?
Hmm.....the acid test to that question would be if I would be happy for someone who I love and respect to appear in them. So the answer is that they are bad and they do degrade women. Why should I want some stranger to be in them instead, they are someone else's daughter and loved one as well surely?:confused
So lads mags violate my dearest principle, do unto those as you would want to be treated yourself.
Are they degrading? That's a question that has been asked for years and will continue to be asked-what one finds acceptable another finds offensive,it's called being human, we are all different.
Many have said it's exploitation but who is being exploited? The girls that pose in the mags or the men who buy them? Some of the models earn massive amounts of money simply for exploiting male fantasies of what we supposedly seek in the ideal woman.
I have bought Zoo, Nuts, Maxim etc in the past but not the 'Top Shelf' mags,although there can't be many men who haven't acquired them at sometime through work etc.
I must say though, I really don't fancy see-ing Orgers Wives being issued-the thought of Betty, Hilda or whoever posing in their winter semmit out in the flow country with a tractor doesn't appeal.[lol]
Live and let live.
I think it depends on the individual, I would not see them as degrading of women, but that depends on the eye of the beholder, but I rather read a car mag instead.
I totally agree. My son buys these mags and I see no harm in it He's been brought up to know right from wrong and to my knowledge he doesn't treat women any different than a someone who doesn't read these mags. It's a bit like tv if you don't like it don't look at it
-whitewall-
05-Aug-08, 11:48
if anything the women are exploiting the guys that buy it, paying a few quid for a couple of photos and getting paid handsomly for it.
They've been on the go for years now I dont see the problem.
As long as woman have similar mags with men in them then thats equality. If women or men choose to pose for these mags, they know the consequences so its up to them.
Look at Ms Lusardi, Miss Fox, Miss K Price, Ms Messenger, they all posed for magazines like this and they are now household names. Some appearing on childrens programmes, soap operas etc, covered up naturally.
A girl I knew, from Invergordon, once posed for the Sun (not a newspaper IMHO) she was shown the photo that was to go in the publication. She agreed, however without her consent, they airbrushed out her knickers and she was given a hard time by the people of Invergordon. I felt this was unfair as she was just being paid for doing a job.
Somehow I think his time would have been better used on the "top shelf" mags that ARE degrading to women
Why do you say that top shelf mags are degrading to women? No-one is holding a gun to the heads of the girls who appear and forcing them to do it, they do it through choice and get paid a good hourly rate for doing so. I'm speaking as someone involved in the industry (someone who has shot sets for top shelf titles aswell as running my own adult pay site), and I can tell you that nearly all the models I've shot have found me rather than me finding them, infact I have more models contacting me looking for work than I can possibly give work to. Yes there are some who do it purely for the money and the odd one who at some point down the line will regret having done it, but the vast majority enjoy doing what they do and do it of their own free will, so they are in no way being degraded.
"Nuts" and "Zoo" are in a different category and are generally referred to by many photographers as "Sluts" and "Poo". These publications turn over a decent amount of money but are increasingly acquiring free content either from those desperate for bragging rights (too many knaive young girls who regard having their picture in one of these mags as some great claim to fame) or from girls who've been tricked into appearing through false promises. They can pay good money, and they do pay good money (mainly via good agencies), but the bulk of their content is got free.
What annoys me, is that supermarkets refuse to stock top shelf titles yet they have computer games and DVD's that glamourize crime and violence on the shelves at child height, ebay won't allow nudity and porn yet have tens of thousands of listings for games and DVD's full of crime and mindless extreme violence, so the message being sent out is that nudity and sex (natural and harmless) is wrong, yet crime and violence is cool:confused. No wonder the world is so messed up[evil].
I object to my son who is 11 having PS3 games like Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, etc. but most of his mates have these sort of games and I was horrified when a few years ago I discovered many of his friends had such games when they were as young as 7. It's no surprise that there's so much violence being reported in the news on a daily basis when kids are seeing such material. Not that I'm suggesting for one moment that top shelf magazines should be available to kids, but given a choice, I'd rather my son was looking at naked women than seeing someone having their head caved in or their brains shot out, and I just think there is something seriously wrong in the minds of those parents who object to nudity but allow their children to own unsuitable console games or to witness violent tv/film[disgust].
percy toboggan
05-Aug-08, 16:59
..it was Gove that put this on the news agenda yesterday. He will soon become one of the leading players on the UK poltiical stage.
I think he has a point. I do sometimes see these mags...Nuts/Zoo/FHM/Loaded on a very fleeting basis - I see a lot of mags in my line of work. They have their place...aimed at late teens early twenties males they will be read by a younger group of course...for the most part harmlessly. If a bloke has not grown out of them by his mid-twenties then he is a lightweight intellectually...but the world is full of 'em.
The first two tittles I mentioned in particular are aimed at overgrown boys. If the cap fits then wear it, but it's nothing to boast about.
These publications are a small, shallow component of our moral malaise...on their own fairly innocuous, merely an element of a cocktail which is poisoning British society.
Bad Manners
05-Aug-08, 17:51
the women in these mags are not exploited they do it because the get paid a very well,no great skill is envolved and they know as long as they look good they will get asked again and again.
You do not have to look at these mags unless you are interested.
If it your thing then thats fine. you dont lookat or buy Pig Breeder Monthly if you have no interest in pigs.
Live and let live, if polititions want something to bang on about there are plenty causes that will help people and not some lost cause that very few people bother about I thing theres a bit of a war going on dont hear them banging the drum over that.
then maybe i,m just a bitter ex squadie
no great skill is envolved and they know as long as they look good they will get asked again and again.
It's not rocket science, but there is much more to it than just having looks. I know models that are stunning who struggle for work, and models that aren't all that attractive who are in great demand. A model needs to be comfortable in front of the camera, be able to pose and pull expressions and above all have a great reputation as someone who is reliable and easy to work with. The ones who do it purely for the money and think it's easy, generally don't last very long in the business.
The first two tittles I mentioned in particular are aimed at overgrown boys.
Those titles are aimed at lads, but a recent survey revealed that they are purchased as much by young females as by males. This is possibly caused by the huge numbers of girls being shot for these magazines but not knowing if or when they'll be published, and also the nature of the text that accompanies the pictures (completely made up) making it good for gossip amongst those who know anyone featured.
Why do you say that top shelf mags are degrading to women? No-one is holding a gun to the heads of the girls who appear and forcing them to do it, they do it through choice and get paid a good hourly rate for doing so. I'm speaking as someone involved in the industry (someone who has shot sets for top shelf titles aswell as running my own adult pay site), and I can tell you that nearly all the models I've shot have found me rather than me finding them, infact I have more models contacting me looking for work than I can possibly give work to. Yes there are some who do it purely for the money and the odd one who at some point down the line will regret having done it, but the vast majority enjoy doing what they do and do it of their own free will, so they are in no way being degraded.
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Personally i find top shelf mags and adult pay sites ARE degrading to women. It is very sleazy and i think the models in zoo etc are normally soap actress' or well known celebrities etc not Mrs Smith from Bolton or whatever with erotic stories about what they got up to with the plumber.
Maybe the reason that some photographers slag off zoo nuts etc is because it features famous models that they dont get the opportunity to photograph? ;)
I am not saying they are forced into it but the industry is considered very "sleazy" by alot of people and some is in very bad taste. i find zoo,nuts etc is very light and not as erotic or degrading as "top shelf" mags.
there is a market for top shelf and internet porn, just not my market, sorry! :)
Those poor women being forced to increase their bank balances by being dragged, kicking and screaming by the photographer, oh what an infringement of their human rights, I mean, you do force them don't you BHG?
the_count
05-Aug-08, 21:48
Org readers wives ....... now there's an idea, can i claim first refusal to photographers rights lol:lol:
Org readers wives ....... now there's an idea, can i claim first refusal to photographers rights lol:lol:You should be banned for such thoughts.
As someone once said, "A neck for anything but soap and water."[lol]
martin macdonald
05-Aug-08, 22:14
After watching CH5 news last night I had to post on here to get some opinions.
They were on about lads mags like "zoo" and "nuts" etc and asking if it exploits women.
I find them harmless and in no way degrading to women as its not "porn" and goes on about how beautiful the women featured are. A tory politician was on about how it "degrades" women. Somehow I think his time would have been better used on the "top shelf" mags that ARE degrading to women like "org readers wives" etc ;).
I see mags like "zoo" etc as harmless and not likely to turn the readers into "bad fathers" as Mr Politician put it.The mags are full of "men stuff" that appeals to a certain age range and i cant see nowt wrong with it and I am approaching mid-life.(no crisis here)
Interested to see how you all feel as there is a large cross section of orgers covering various ages and persuasions.i wonder what reaction a father would have if he purchased a copy of these mags and saw his daughter in her birthday suit on show?
i find zoo,nuts etc is very light and not as erotic or degrading as "top shelf" mags.
I don't understand why you think the lads mags are "very light and not as erotic or degrading as top shelf mags", as whilst the images may not be as explicit the content is generally on a par. Top shelf is to a large extent honest, it's what it says on the can, the girls know exactly what they are doing and letting themselves in for and are paid reasonably well for it, the lads mags of Nuts and Zoo however are mainly featuring girls who haven't been paid but who have been sold a promise of fame, many girls who pose or send in their pictures knaively thinking it'll give them their 15 minutes and then when they rush excitedly to the newsagents and proudly open it to show off to their mates they embarrassingly find that there's some false text alongside their pictures saying what they (don't) get upto. The lads mags of Nuts and Zoo are false, the 13 and 14 year old lads reading them don't know that what they're reading is fictional and the end result is that they have the wrong idea about women and how to treat women.
Basically I disagree with your opinion on top shelf magazines, I don't see how they can be degarding to women, but I do actually agree with Gove when he said about the lads mags "They play a part in encouraging selfish irresponsibility among young men".
p.s. Just thought I'd share this joke that's doing the rounds today and has landed in my inbox
Apparantly a Conservative MP has offered to be interviewed in Nuts, to present his case.
Well, thats not going to happen............ You never see a in a lad's mag. :lol:
i wonder what reaction a father would have if he purchased a copy of these mags and saw his daughter in her birthday suit on show?
IMO a rather naive question! In all the years of various publications featuring women in various states of undress don't you think many of the models fathers must have seen them at some stage? In fact at one time the father of Samantha Fox was her Manager so he obviously had no problem with it. If I had a daughter and it was her choice of profession then I'd support her in it just as much as I would in any other career that she chose. Would it bother me see-ing her naked? Not in the least because I am a naturist.
I think the pseudonym "Lads Mags" should be re-titled "Dirty Owld Men Mags", :eek: I would not have them in the house[evil]
martin macdonald
05-Aug-08, 22:54
IMO a rather naive question! In all the years of various publications featuring women in various states of undress don't you think many of the models fathers must have seen them at some stage? In fact at one time the father of Samantha Fox was her Manager so he obviously had no problem with it. If I had a daughter and it was her choice of profession then I'd support her in it just as much as I would in any other career that she chose. Would it bother me see-ing her naked? Not in the least because I am a naturist.when or if you have a daughter you will then understand.
Quote:The lads mag of Nuts and Zoo are false, the 13 and 14 year old lads reading them don't know that what they're reading is fictional and the end result is that they have the wrong idea about women and how to treat women. (Bad)
This type of magazines give a some men the idea that all women should look like these models, but if you look around you in the street on an average day how many do you see that look like the models in them. If they dont they are looked apon differently. This is how a lot of women feel degraded.(Bad)
Also you say it’s a young lad’s reading material, craze, fad or whatever, and at what age do they think it stops? There is also the workman who buys the Sun newspaper everyday for page three then go straight to the page for the sports. (good)
But where does it go after that? Onto films, videos and DVD’s etc so where does it stop. ???
IMO a rather naive question! In all the years of various publications featuring women in various states of undress don't you think many of the models fathers must have seen them at some stage? In fact at one time the father of Samantha Fox was her Manager so he obviously had no problem with it. If I had a daughter and it was her choice of profession then I'd support her in it just as much as I would in any other career that she chose. Would it bother me see-ing her naked? Not in the least because I am a naturist.
when or if you have a daughter you will then understand.
I'm unlikely to have any more children so the whole scenario is purely hypothetical. I was raised not to be ashamed of my body-it's not perfect but it's the only one I'll have. I've seen my sisters and brothers naked because nudity wasn't an issue in our home-perhaps thats why we are all well balanced and open minded as adults.
So if I had a daughter and if she wanted to model I'd have no problem with it because she would be raised in the same openness that I was.
This type of magazines give a some men the idea that all women should look like these models, but if you look around you in the street on an average day how many do you see that look like the models in them. If they dont they are looked apon differently. This is how a lot of women feel degraded.(Bad)
I see where you're coming from, but if you take that train of thought, then you have to apply it to everything and not just to lads or mens mags. Sex has been used to sell everything from alcohol to sofas, cars to chocolate, and always will be, so are all television commercials that use an attractive or sexy woman (or man) degrading?
It isn't always about being drop dead gorgeous though. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and there is someone for everyone, some people like the American fake everything look whilst others prefer the girl next door look, some like BBW's, some like mature woman etc. etc. So I think if women do genuinely feel degraded by magazines or porn, that has more to do with their insecurities than anything else.
With regards to what age or where it stops, it doesn't stop, and I'd be worried about anyone for whom it had stopped. It is natural and healthy to be attracted to the opposite sex, it is what nature intended and so long as it's harmless then there's not a problem.
I quite like a nose through FHM. From a girls point of view you can get inside the simple male brain and it's not just all about tits, there's some things the same as women's mags, like fashion, skincare, diet and health, celebrity etc. Are lad's mags good or bad? Are lad's mag's porn? What is good or bad?
I must say though, I really don't fancy see-ing Orgers Wives being issued-the thought of Betty, Hilda or whoever posing in their winter semmit out in the flow country with a tractor doesn't appeal.[lol]
"Calendar Girls of Caithness" might be more appealing than you think, joxsville! ;)
Forget about the semmits and tractors - those Yorkshire women managed quite nicely without them, thank you very much! :Razz
Basically I disagree with your opinion on top shelf magazines, I don't see how they can be degarding to women, but I do actually agree with Gove when he said about the lads mags "They play a part in encouraging selfish irresponsibility among young men".
But "top shelf" magazines normally leave nothing to the imagination and show everything alongside stories that are made up just like what you accuse zoo, etc of doing.
"The plumber came round to give me a service" nope never heard that one before!! ;)
Zoo,FHM etc I find harmless and very flashy,well produced photographed etc, wheras the top shelf ones look seedy,have not so lovely ladies inside and are clearly aimed at the "dirty mac",still living at home with mummy brigade, wheras zoo,FHm etc are aimed at young men who love football and cars. Spot the difference?
I would rather my 15 year old came home with a copy of Nuts,FHm than a copy of Fiesta,mondeo,haircut weekly(censored) or whatever there called now.
George Brims
06-Aug-08, 23:48
The first two tittles I mentioned in particular are aimed at overgrown boys.
Freudian mis-spell of the day award goes to Percy!
Welcomefamily
07-Aug-08, 08:26
Its a good point about insecurities and I am sure reading a Kays catalogue should have the same effect. Surely part of the problem is coming to terms with these insecurities, I quite happy having a keg instead of a six pack, and if someone points it out, I inform them how wonderful it much be to have such a high level of perception skills.
Pervertion is also in the eye of the beholder.
I see where you're coming from, but if you take that train of thought, then you have to apply it to everything and not just to lads or mens mags. Sex has been used to sell everything from alcohol to sofas, cars to chocolate, and always will be, so are all television commercials that use an attractive or sexy woman (or man) degrading?
It isn't always about being drop dead gorgeous though. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and there is someone for everyone, some people like the American fake everything look whilst others prefer the girl next door look, some like BBW's, some like mature woman etc. etc. So I think if women do genuinely feel degraded by magazines or porn, that has more to do with their insecurities than anything else.
With regards to what age or where it stops, it doesn't stop, and I'd be worried about anyone for whom it had stopped. It is natural and healthy to be attracted to the opposite sex, it is what nature intended and so long as it's harmless then there's not a problem.
Originally Posted by joxville
I must say though, I really don't fancy see-ing Orgers Wives being issued-the thought of Betty, Hilda or whoever posing in their winter semmit out in the flow country with a tractor doesn't appeal.
now then Joxville, this is exactly what these mags show's men what a perfect woman all airbrushed should look like and this gives a faulse impresion of the female. Your idea of the local women seems to be "Betty, Hilda or whoever posing in their winter semmit" need i say anymore
Where are all the women volunteering for the org readers wives calander?
They are being very quiet!! , maybe we could post in the flower arranging section and they may take notice!!!! ;)
I asked Mrs Hotrod and i am afraid she said "NO" and my lug is still sore, c'mon orgers wheres your community spirit ;) Get your wives out for the lads!!!!
percy toboggan
07-Aug-08, 18:25
Freudian mis-spell of the day award goes to Percy!
Deliberate GB...I thought it might make someone titter.
Where are all the women volunteering for the org readers wives calander?
They are being very quiet!! , maybe we could post in the flower arranging section and they may take notice!!!!
I asked Mrs Hotrod and i am afraid she said "NO" and my lug is still sore, c'mon orgers wheres your community spirit ;) Get your wives out for the lads!!!!
I am sure there would be a big queue for the Org readers' husbands calendar too Hotrod - any volunteers? It is equality you are striving for here isn't it? ;)
PS Well done Mrs Hotrod! [lol]
Originally Posted by joxville
I must say though, I really don't fancy see-ing Orgers Wives being issued-the thought of Betty, Hilda or whoever posing in their winter semmit out in the flow country with a tractor doesn't appeal.
now then Joxville, this is exactly what these mags show's men what a perfect woman all airbrushed should look like and this gives a faulse impresion of the female. Your idea of the local women seems to be "Betty, Hilda or whoever posing in their winter semmit" need i say anymore
It was meant in jest which is why I put a [lol] at the end.
Welcomefamily
08-Aug-08, 09:00
I dont know, sometimes a picture of a tractor is quite nice, as for Betty and Hilda, well I would have to see the picture first.
Without being able to look at what might be considered Art by some, we would never know. This thread would have never existed.
In my life time with my wife, I am sure that I have totally misread her :confused to such an extent that I have had a false impression of what she wanted, for example she did not like the Washing machine :mad: for her Birthday or the Hoover as an anniversary present :(. (Note that I said I misread her, only a man skill). If after 20 years I still misread her on occasion, then perhaps I should have read the books.
I am sure there would be a big queue for the Org readers' husbands calendar too Hotrod - any volunteers? It is equality you are striving for here isn't it? ;)
PS Well done Mrs Hotrod! [lol]
I dont think I would make a good calendar dude!
Havent seen my boy bits since the belly took over!!! but hey if you like to see my belly that aint a prob!!
I dont think I would make a good calendar dude!
Havent seen my boy bits since the belly took over!!! but hey if you like to see my belly that aint a prob!!
You can't beat a good belly laugh!:D
I dont think I would make a good calendar dude!
Havent seen my boy bits since the belly took over!!! but hey if you like to see my belly that aint a prob!!
LOL! Is soundin like you will need one huge bun or potted plant to cover that one hotrod! [lol]
LOL! Is soundin like you will need one huge bun or potted plant to cover that one hotrod! [lol]
Or a mini-doughnut would suffice.[lol]
Or a mini-doughnut would suffice.[lol]
Jox! I meant for his belly (he indicated it was large not me) nothing else! :eek:
Jox! I meant for his belly (he indicated it was large not me) nothing else! :eek:
I would be grateful if you ladies could stop discussing my anatomy! or whether it is large or small.
it may be big,it may be small that i will leave to your imagination ;)
The doughnut would be no use, whereas an inner tube from a tractor comes close!!!!!:eek:
I would be grateful if you ladies could stop discussing my anatomy! or whether it is large or small.
it may be big,it may be small that i will leave to your imagination ;)
The doughnut would be no use, whereas an inner tube from a tractor comes close!!!!!:eek:Joxville is a bloke although he does have a very nice avatar.[lol]
Joxville is a bloke [lol]
That's questionable![lol] (Thought I'd say it before someone else does)
Joxville is a bloke although he does have a very nice avatar.[lol]
oops, now whos got the red face [lol].
goes to show you never judge an orger by their avatar!!!
Welcomefamily
10-Aug-08, 10:30
As some of you might know, a certain picture of pole vaulter has appeared on the org. This picture is not sexual in any way, just a picture of a young lassie holding a pole, could not this picture lead to misconception in how a young man views the female?
It will be interesting to see the viewing figures for the polevault.
percy toboggan
10-Aug-08, 17:45
She was holding a pole, rather than cavorting around one...hers is a far more wholesome pursuit. I have no idea who she is , or where she comes from. My initial reference to the womens pole-vault event harks back to the Athens games when several statuesque, beautiful & finely turned out young women held me in a state of thrall as they raised the bar ever higher. For sure the Gods up the road on Mt.Olympus would have been pleased with their efforts, and perhaps offered immortality to the victor.
Other feminine events are equally viewable...as are many mens but when the extra element of human physical beauty of a non rippling muscular kind is thrown in then the viewing figures might well shoot up....I only hope none of the competitors are tempted to do the same.
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