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I'm getting sick fed up every time I come on here seeing downers on people. It's getting to the point that I come on here less and less. So many posts against people. Anyone else feel like this?
I'm getting sick fed up every time I come on here seeing downers on people. It's getting to the point that I come on here less and less. So many posts against people. Anyone else feel like this?
I agree...I hope you don't see myself as "racist", I believe in fairness...and have made this clear on many a post I have made.
People should be able to say what they want without others downing them. It is not nice running people down the org should be a place where views like that are not welcome.
teenybash
29-Jul-08, 22:43
I'm getting sick fed up every time I come on here seeing downers on people. It's getting to the point that I come on here less and less. So many posts against people. Anyone else feel like this?
Sweetpea you are not alone in what you are feeling.........seems there are those who have yet to look beyond skintone and religious background and beliefs. Shame..............................:roll:
..unfortunately it goes way beyond racism....and all they can do when you challenge is descend into school playground name calling
northener
29-Jul-08, 22:45
Sweets, no.
There's a lot of robust discussion on here, but nothing that I would say is out and out racist.
I see a few threads that I don't like the tone of (generally speaking), but at the end of the day, we are all entitled to our say - even if we disagree vehemently wirth another poster.
To take the discussion further, could you give some exampes of what you have in mind?
Never thought about you in this way at all. I just can't stand this crap about mulims, seeks, gaelic speakers etc its wearing me down. I never thought Caithness people were so narrow minded.
Northener, lately all I see is posts about how awful other cultures are but I sometimes wonder how mnany of the posters actually represent Caithness.
Never thought about you in this way at all. I just can't stand this crap about mulims, seeks, gaelic speakers etc its wearing me down. I never thought Caithness people were so narrow minded.Caithness people have their opinions the same as anyone else.
Why would robust debate wear you down?
Caithness people have their opinions the same as anyone else.
Why would robust debate wear you down?
Because I reckon if we all said where we stay it would tell a different story. All I have ever found in Caithness is tolerance. So who's first where do we all live?
Surely the org is there for,amongst other things, to let people have their say on whatever topic they feel is relevent. If people do not like this that is their business, but, I am sure that we have all made comments, however slight, which someone has taken offence to. live and let live
Aberdeen through the week and Strathy at the weekend. Brought up in John O' Groats. Schooled in Canisbay and Wick High then off to uni (two dgerees) in Scotland in a science subject.
Because I reckon if we all said where we stay it would tell a different story. All I have ever found in Caithness is tolerance. So who's first where do we all live?
Search the Org, we have all given this information openly before.
Because I reckon if we all said where we stay it would tell a different story. All I have ever found in Caithness is tolerance. So who's first where do we all live?Quote yourself, "All I have ever found in Caithness is Tolerance", so ergo Caithness people are not really surprising you with their racism because you know it is in a minority?
Sapphire2803
29-Jul-08, 22:57
And on a lighter note
Go on Sweetpea, post something and then you'll be a 1K orger :)
teenybash
29-Jul-08, 22:57
Because I reckon if we all said where we stay it would tell a different story. All I have ever found in Caithness is tolerance. So who's first where do we all live?
Glad to say I live in Caithness...........but born and raised in Glasgow and lived, was educated, worked and socialised with folks of differing race, creed and colour..............We a re all the same under our skin....human beings.
And on a lighter note
Go on Sweetpea, post something and then you'll be a 1K orger :)
Oh go on, go on, go on, go on
Glad to say I live in Caithness...........but born and raised in Glasgow and lived, was educated, worked and socialised with folks of differing race, creed and colour..............We a re all the same under our skin....human beings.
Depends on the defination of human. Humanity to me is being together, tolerant, non judgemenatal and encouraging each other to do well not putting people down. I personally couldn't give a fig what colour, creed, sexuality or religion anyone else happens to be. I don't see an awful lot of this on the org these days.
And on a lighter note
Go on Sweetpea, post something and then you'll be a 1K orger :)
sorry but i couldn't care less about this, maybe a few moths ago I'd have got excited about it but these days on here it makes me depresssed.
northener
29-Jul-08, 23:05
Because I reckon if we all said where we stay it would tell a different story. All I have ever found in Caithness is tolerance. So who's first where do we all live?
Sweets,
So it would be fair to say that if we live in a tolerant society in Caithness, we should extend that tolerance to a website that represents our county. ie: the .Org?
Surely this should include tolerance of a wide range of opinions?
I'm not trying to do you down, just putting across the point that although we may not agree with each other (although everyone should agree with me), we are, as a community, tolerant of all opinions if they reasonable.
Surely this is the sign of a healthy community?
Sapphire2803
29-Jul-08, 23:05
sorry but i couldn't care less about this, maybe a few moths ago I'd have got excited about it but these days on here it makes me depresssed.
I know what you mean and I find myself taking breaks from the org from time to time. The org certainly does have it's ups and downs.
I know what you mean and I find myself taking breaks from the org from time to time. The org certainly does have it's ups and downs.
you know i go bike forums cause im into bikes and at least there people say what they mean. I've never heard the likes as i have on here some times.
Sapphire2803
29-Jul-08, 23:17
I know what you mean, I belong to more forums than I could shake a stick at (not that I very often shake sticks), most of which allow swearing, innuendo etc. They don't have half the problem with offensive posting that the org has.
Mind you, if you read the rules here, I think all post are supposed to be Caithness related and there are not to be any fantasy threads e.g. who would you like to be etc.
It's a funny old site this one :roll:
I know what you mean, I belong to more forums than I could shake a stick at (not that I very often shake sticks), most of which allow swearing, innuendo etc. They don't have half the problem with offensive posting that the org has.
Mind you, if you read the rules here, I think all post are supposed to be Caithness related and there are not to be any fantasy threads e.g. who would you like to be etc.
It's a funny old site this one :roll:
A lot of the bike forums I contribute to I speak to guys in Manchester, Liverpool, Cardiff and lots of major cities and I've never encountered anything to do with religion or creed like this, if someone on thse is being a p.... they don't care what colour or idol they follow.
So much posting in the general forum has nothing whatsoever to do with Caithness..or even Scotland, these days.:(
I know I live way down here in Edinburgh, but the reason I joined was that it was Caithness.Org...not SomewhereinthenorthofEngland.Org. :eek:
I totally agree I joined the org because I missed caithness the people and the community love to hear whats going on in and around Front Page of the org (checked every day a lurker ) drew me in to Forum eventually
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and voicing them on a forum is fair game. You dont necessarily have to agree with a poster,they voice their opinion, if you dont agree then you have 2 choices.
1.Ignore the thread or
2.Post a comment and argue your point.
That is what makes a forum, I have had run ins with people on a thread, its not the person that I am "falling out" or disagreeing with its their opinion, I bet if I met them for a pint we'd get on great. Its Human nature not to agree with everything.
I personally dont like Gardening or Wildlife, so I dont read those posts, nothing against it, just doesnt interest me. Its the same on the general forum, if it doesnt interest me then I dont read it, I find if you take this attitude then Forums are great.After all there is no law that states you HAVE to read a post!
northener
30-Jul-08, 08:21
Hotrod's made a good point there.
There are a large amount of forums on the .Org that relate directly to Caithness - geneaology, wildlife, gardening etc....
So to have a 'general' forum that covers a wider spectrum of topics is a Good Thing to me. That way we can discuss the wider world without interfereing with the more dedicated forums on here.
brokencross
30-Jul-08, 09:52
I'm getting sick fed up every time I come on here seeing downers on people. It's getting to the point that I come on here less and less. So many posts against people. Anyone else feel like this?
At first when I read this I thought you meant the act of one orger putting down another orger for the contents of their posts, but reading on I see when you refer to "people" as cultures, religions, races etc
Surely posters are entitled to express their opinions and as long as they are within the law, backed up with solid reasoning and maybe personal experience. Just because an orger disapproves of the acts, traditions, routines etc within some cultures does not neccessarily mean you are "downing" that culture but purely expressing an opinion.
Are you saying Orgers should not voice their opinions on a girl going to the high court in order to wear a religious symbol while at school, or a devout Christian refusing to officiate at same sex ceremonies, or discuss asylum seekers whether illegal or legal; I could go on.
I for one would hate to see a messageboard full of bland topics, oozing sweetness and pure niceness, unfortunately life is not like that.
So while I appreciate what you are saying; as I said as long as it is legal, not inciting hatred and not racist, or any other form of ist, I welcome and prefer robust debate and banter.
Everything depends on how seriously you take yourself.
If you are too precious, you always have the option of switching off.
cuddlepop
30-Jul-08, 10:15
Sweetpea i dont think the Org's racist just some people have very strong opinions on certain subjects and thats what makes life interesting.
Dont you want anyone whose not from Caithness or has a connection with Caithness to be part of the forum?:confused
Just out of interest does anyone know what proportion of "local" people are originally from Caithness?
Never thought about you in this way at all. I just can't stand this crap about mulims, seeks, gaelic speakers etc its wearing me down. I never thought Caithness people were so narrow minded.
I really hope you're not judging all Caithnessians on the views of one or two on this forum. Thats a little.... um........
A lot of the bike forums I contribute to I speak to guys in Manchester, Liverpool, Cardiff and lots of major cities and I've never encountered anything to do with religion or creed like this, if someone on thse is being a p.... they don't care what colour or idol they follow.
If they're the same bike forums I've seen, they get a few briefly resident racists, who get fun poked at them and end up ranting so furiously they get banned. It's not the bigoted views, it's the keen-ness to get them aired in forums where people are more interested in motorbikes that annoys everyone (or me anyway).
Interesting comment, Sweetpea. I must be either blind to these comments or skipping over them sub-conscientiously, cos I haven't noticed them. I does seem a current theme of today's self-centred culture that a lot of people sling comments about without a care about the injury that they may cause. I had always thought that the org was reasonably devoid of such tripe.
Sweetpea i dont think the Org's racist just some people have very strong opinions on certain subjects and thats what makes life interesting.
Dont you want anyone whose not from Caithness or has a connection with Caithness to be part of the forum?:confused
Just out of interest does anyone know what proportion of "local" people are originally from Caithness?Probably the Majority are originally from Caithness.
whitechina
31-Jul-08, 15:29
I'm getting sick fed up every time I come on here seeing downers on people. It's getting to the point that I come on here less and less. So many posts against people. Anyone else feel like this?
Just noticed this thread ,and I agree with with what sweatpea says.I will say that from my own observations that the "downers on people" seem to come from the same few culprits.
I think it's time that orgers were required to have their actual names appear on their postings rather than their being able to sling mud from behind a pseudonym.I believe if such an idea was enforced it would greatly reduce,if not eliminate,offensive postings on the org.
What do you all think?
I think it's time that orgers were required to have their actual names appear on their postings rather than their being able to sling mud from behind a pseudonym.I believe if such an idea was enforced it would greatly reduce,if not eliminate,offensive postings on the org.
What do you all think?
I think thats a really bad idea. The internet allows people the remain anonymous and for many that is one of the main attractions. If you dont aggree with a comment or are offended by it then ignore it.
I have nothing controversial to say but still dont want foulk to know who I am.
As for Caithness being racist. I am pretty sure Caithness has a higher number of people who may be considered racest than many places but manly because of its relative remotness. The majority of folk who have been brought up in the north of Scotland have very little interaction with anyone outside their own demographic, White, working class, Church of Scotland.
I believe, from personal experience that Caithness is (or at least was whan I was there) inherently racist. I dont mean KKK style but more subtle and underlying.
you should all try the Old Firm Fans forum that im a moderator on, it makes this place look like a walk in the park!!
danc1ngwitch
31-Jul-08, 16:49
Fact is if i want to be racist, then i will be racist.
It is a web site, thats it...
Don't get yourself down, just turn your computer onto a site that offends you less.
Over reaction.
btw, i am not racist, just a figure o speach.:D
rob murray
31-Jul-08, 17:06
Just noticed this thread ,and I agree with with what sweatpea says.I will say that from my own observations that the "downers on people" seem to come from the same few culprits.
I think it's time that orgers were required to have their actual names appear on their postings rather than their being able to sling mud from behind a pseudonym.I believe if such an idea was enforced it would greatly reduce,if not eliminate,offensive postings on the org.
What do you all think?
Well put, I post under my own name, no problem there at all. Can I say that moderation of this site leaves a lot to be desired. The posting last week on the two drowned gypsy children in Italy contained remarks which were very, very offensive at least to me and several other posters, the thread should have been stopped in its tracks. Remarks on job less people also were very wide of the mark.
Just noticed this thread ,and I agree with with what sweatpea says.I will say that from my own observations that the "downers on people" seem to come from the same few culprits.
I think it's time that orgers were required to have their actual names appear on their postings rather than their being able to sling mud from behind a pseudonym believe if such an idea was enforced it would greatly reduce,if not eliminate,offensive postings on the org.
What do you all think?
I belong to another message board where everyone uses their real names (it's been this way for years) and although there are spats for the most part it's one of the most close knit on-line communities I've come across, with members from all over the world. I do think some people hide behind their Internet anonymity and say things they'd never utter if people knew who they were.
northener
31-Jul-08, 18:52
I belong to another message board where everyone uses their real names (it's been this way for years) and although there are spats for the most part it's one of the most close knit on-line communities I've come across, with members from all over the world. I do think some people hide behind their Internet anonymity and say things they'd never utter if people knew who they were.
Aye, and there's the rub. I'll wager that the forum you are talking about doesn't have the majority of members living cheek by jowl with each other.
Anonymity means that anyone can post on here without being called to account out in the real world. Remember, Caithness is a very small community.
I would vehemently oppose any attempt to make .Orgers reveal their true identity.
There has already been one nasty incident where someone was challenged in the 'real world' over an incident on the .Org...not very pleasant at all.
I couldn't give a monkeys who knows my real name, there's a few .Orgers who know who I am anyway. But if I was told I had to put my real name online or lose my right to post - I'd walk.
As a tester, Sandra and Whitechina, perhaps you'd like to post your full names and addresses on here as a an example to us all.;)
I totally agree with Northener on this point we are in cyberspace after all there are certain people who know who I am and others that have worked it out for themselves I have made new friends and linked up with some Old ones on the org forum some people I have met and others I hope soon
I disagree, personally as the name suggests this is Caithness. I don't want to come on her and read about nazis, siks wearing bangles and crap like that. Can all the caithness nazis, muslims and siks come on and tell us what you think?
northener
31-Jul-08, 21:10
I disagree, personally as the name suggests this is Caithness. I don't want to come on her and read about nazis, siks wearing bangles and crap like that. Can all the caithness nazis, muslims and siks come on and tell us what you think?
Are you suggesting these issues don't affect Caithness?
changilass
31-Jul-08, 22:07
I have no intention of using my real name on here or any other site and would not be a member of any site that demanded it. As has already been said, Caithness is a small community, those who I want to know my details already do so.
With regards to not discussing anything that happens outwith the county - well thats just plain bliddy stupid.
percy toboggan
31-Jul-08, 22:34
A lot of the bike forums I contribute to I speak to guys in Manchester, Liverpool, Cardiff and lots of major cities and I've never encountered anything to do with religion or creed like this, if someone on thse is being a p.... they don't care what colour or idol they follow.
The sub-culture of motor-cycling is fairly homogenous (apart from the machinery) would you not agree? I presume you are talking about motor 'bikes' here.
From that standpoint , and given the fact that almost every bike rally and event (and there were hundreds in the 90's) was dominated by indigenous British folk they have every reason to be sanguine about their ongoing sub-culture and little need to discuss 'religion or creed' which are surely one in the same thing?
Perhaps the intervening years have seen as much change within the motor-cycling sub-culture as the rest of society but I somehow doubt it.
So are you suggesting sweetpea that members like myself who live outwith the county should promptly resign our membership?
I have been visiting the county for over 25yrs and often three or four times a year.Over that period I have grown to love the county ,made many friends and acquaintances and obviously take a keen interest in what is happening in the far north.
percy toboggan
31-Jul-08, 22:46
Might I also add sweetpea that if you do not wish to read threads about 'Nazis, Sikhs and Bangles' (there could be a movie in there - a short one p'raps) that you just skip those threads and leave them to those with an appetite for such meaty matters. In return I'll not impose myself on threads about early closing, lost dogs, or ignorant shop staff in Wick etc.
It was my understanding that the site was aimed at locals and outsiders alike.
My Caithness connection is vague I admit...even tenuous...I've been twice and might like to live there one day...so I'm trying to build a circle of friends...it's not going particularly well it has to be said.:lol::confused
To whoever suggested using real names...do me a favour...there are a lot of nutters out there you know...
....and a few you might not. (the latter are probably the ones we need to worry aboot)
...so I'm trying to build a circle of friends...it's not going particularly well it has to be said.:lol::confused
no matter our differences percy I would happily buy you a drink
northener
31-Jul-08, 22:50
The sub-culture of motor-cycling is fairly homogenous (apart from the machinery) would you not agree? I presume you are talking about motor 'bikes' here.
From that standpoint , and given the fact that almost every bike rally and even (and there were hundreds in the 90's) was dominated by indigenous British folk they have every reason to be sanguine about their ongoing sub-culture and little need to discuss 'religion or creed' which are surely one in the same thing?
Perhaps the intervening years have seen as much change within the motor-cycling sub-culture as the rest of society but I somehow doubt it.
Yup, the Biker community is (and always has been) predominantly, white, male and of a Christian background.
But funnily enough, even though there are very few persons of a different ethnic/cultural background amongst them, bikers remain one of the most non-judgemental groups of people around. I've never seen a biker look down on anyone because of colour or religion, which is more than I can say for a lot of allegedly 'normal' people - mickey taking aside.
The big difference between biker forums and here is that bikers want to talk about 'biker lifestyle' (eugh, hate the word 'lifestyle' but I'm too fik to come up with an alternative) whereas on the .Org the only connecting factor is Caithness. An area with a lot of different people, lifestyles (argh!) and attitudes - so we discuss everything.
Bikers don't discuss politics or religion openly when in company. It's a big no-no at rallies, you're there as a biker not a religious or political mouthpiece - 'leave the attitude at home'.
percy toboggan
31-Jul-08, 22:58
I recall long conversations into the night beside the flickering embers of many a bonfire about all manner of topics. I hardly ever used to talk about the machinery Northerner.
I have seen examples of racism within the biking community, though I agree that it's not really a dominant issue with most folk, or it wasn't back then.
I never saw myself as a 'biker' just a motor-cyclist who liked to be different and not dress like most of the 'tribe' or live any kind of 'lifestyle' much of the music they used to play was tripe and cheap jewellery, murals (not patches) on the backs of leather jackets or fuel tanks seldom looked good. I even enjoyed having a very different machine.
For the most part though they were a welcoming bunch...things changed , or started to change about twelve years ago when testosterone laden lads with too much money decided to spend some of it on machines they couldn't handle properly....few can, when used to the limit of their design capabilities.
Sorry to take this slightly off topic sweetpea..forgive me.
purplelady
31-Jul-08, 23:02
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and voicing them on a forum is fair game. You dont necessarily have to agree with a poster,they voice their opinion, if you dont agree then you have 2 choices.
1.Ignore the thread or
2.Post a comment and argue your point.
That is what makes a forum, I have had run ins with people on a thread, its not the person that I am "falling out" or disagreeing with its their opinion, I bet if I met them for a pint we'd get on great. Its Human nature not to agree with everything.
I personally dont like Gardening or Wildlife, so I dont read those posts, nothing against it, just doesnt interest me. Its the same on the general forum, if it doesnt interest me then I dont read it, I find if you take this attitude then Forums are great.After all there is no law that states you HAVE to read a post!have to agree with hotrod there if you do not like what is being said do not read it we live in a free country and are all entilted to our opinion but do not think we should put poeple down for what they belevie in as i say if you don't like it don't resd it .
I use the initials of my real name, 'Tiberious, Bernard-Hazelfoot.'
percy toboggan
31-Jul-08, 23:14
I use the initials of my real name, 'Tiberious, Bernard-Hazelfoot.'
You cannot be 'tiberious' ? :lol:
If you are, that's a very grand moniker.
You cannot be 'tiberious' ? :lol:
If you are, that's a very grand moniker.Blame my mother, it was either that or Cecil.:D
teenybash
31-Jul-08, 23:31
I disagree, personally as the name suggests this is Caithness. I don't want to come on her and read about nazis, siks wearing bangles and crap like that. Can all the caithness nazis, muslims and siks come on and tell us what you think?
Surely a 'forum' is a meeting place where ideas, opinions and thoughts can be discussed by all who are interested in the topic..... whether they are from Caithness or not.
People from outside the geographic area of the org have experiences that may differ from folks here because the environment in which they live is
different........surely those members have the right to communicate their world with ours and we should welcome their thoughts and opinions, even if they do not fall in with our own perceptions of life..perhaps to broaden our horizons and viewpoint.
Caithnessians have no life experience beyond the borders of their own county apparently so we shouldn't be talking about world events or history.
Let's just stick to Dounreay, lost cats and windfarms, that's our tant.
caithnessians have no life experience beyond the borders of their own county apparently so we shouldn't be talking about world events or history.
Let's just stick to dounreay, lost cats and windfarms, that's our tant.
aye right!!!!!!
aye right!!!!!!I know what you mean Golach, but some seem to think we Caithnessians are nothing more than ignorant hillbillies.[lol]
changilass
01-Aug-08, 00:53
He He and I have hubby on the exercise bike powering up my internet connection :lol:
He He and I have hubby on the exercise bike powering up my internet connection
You have a bike?:eek: Is it a penny farthing?[lol]
I bet you have hot and cold running water to, pity it is down the walls.:lol:
There has been some interesting posts on here. I have enjoyed reading them as its such a wide range of views. Maybe sweetpea you will now see that we are not all "racist" but just have opinions that we wish to express. I dont have to agree with a post to read it but if i dont read it I will never know someone elses opinion. A "racist" is someone that is intolerant of another race,religion etc so if I ignored their post it would make me a racist, but by reading it ,you never know it might open up my eyes to another point of view.
That is what makes democracy what it is , personally I voice my opinion I dont sit back and complain quietly about peoples point of view, if i disagree i disagree.
I dont see any point in "whingeing" about people being "racist" etc, I would rather get in their and argue my point rather than complain later about a thread.If you have a strong opinion I feel you should post it,if you dont, read the thread and move on. There is a "democracy" button on all keyboards, its called the "esc" key it does wonderful things!! ;)
As a tester, Sandra and Whitechina, perhaps you'd like to post your full names and addresses on here as a an example to us all.;)
My real name is Sandra, my last name starts with a "B" and if you look in the corner of my post you will see where I live.
But surely everyone is entitled to their opinion, because at the end of the day surely the poster would get into trouble if it was that racist or nasty, aye there is a lot of backlash of some post but i doubt very much if the org is the worst offender for this, as i assume plenty of forrums are a lot worse and a lot more tolerent.
I disagree, personally as the name suggests this is Caithness. I don't want to come on her and read about nazis, siks wearing bangles and crap like that. Can all the caithness nazis, muslims and siks come on and tell us what you think?
But surly with britain being the home for a lot of nationalitys surely the people from these religions/countrys are allowed to discuss whats important to them, seems to me there is only one racist person here, sorry if i upset said person but it is just my opinion.
But surely everyone is entitled to their opinion, because at the end of the day surely the poster would get into trouble if it was that racist or nasty, aye there is a lot of backlash of some post but i doubt very much if the org is the worst offender for this, as i assume plenty of forrums are a lot worse and a lot more tolerent.If I didn't like the English moving into Caithness but didn't hate them and spoke to them quite friendly like or even made friends with them but wished they stayed in their own country, would that make me racist?
If I didn't like the English moving into Caithness but didn't hate them and spoke to them quite friendly like or even made friends with them but wished they stayed in their own country, would that make me racist?
nah i wouldnt say that as you like a lot of us keep your opinions to yourself.
changilass
01-Aug-08, 18:52
It don't make you racist just greedy that you want to keep Caithness all to yourself :lol:
nah i wouldnt say that as you like a lot of us keep your opinions to yourself.That's the thing though Balto, I could easily make friends with an English person but I could also tell them that I didn't like them living in my country, we could have a laugh about it even. They could call me a sweaty sock/Jock, it wouldn't bother me.
It don't make you racist just greedy that you want to keep Caithness all to yourself :lol:Nothing wrong with keeping the blood pure is there?[lol]
[quote=TBH;414059]That's the thing though Balto, I could easily make friends with an English person but I could also tell them that I didn't like them living in my country, we could have a laugh about it even. They could call me a sweaty sock/Jock, it wouldn't bother me.
my best mte is english and we have a go at each other often but at the end of the day it is just a joke, wouldnt go so far to insult her for being here.
percy toboggan
01-Aug-08, 19:34
TBH. You would have every right to 'not like' the English coming to Caithness if that was your slant on things. If I were one day to arrive and you didn't 'like me being there' I'd live with it, whilst trying via acting in a positive manner by being a kindly neighbour to convince you otherwise. Rest assured I would not try to change Caithness but would embrace it fully, even so as far as having a bumper sticker and supporting a local football club, and attempting to involve myself in community affairs.
If you still didn't like me...then you would have to take a running jump.
TBH. You would have every right to 'not like' the English coming to Caithness if that was your slant on things. If I were one day to arrive and you didn't 'like me being there' I'd live with it, whilst trying via acting in a positive manner by being a kindly neighbour to convince you otherwise. Rest assured I would not try to change Caithness but would embrace it fully, even so as far as having a bumper sticker and supporting a local football club, and attempting to involve myself in community affairs.
If you still didn't like me...then you would have to take a running jump.
That's the thing though Percy, I would not have any hatred for you or bear any Ill-will against you. There are a lot of incomers, english mainly that try and change things to make it more comfortable for themselves. It's the same as Immigrants in England, if they don't like the way they do things there then don't move, simple.
I havent put much on the org so dont really know any of you but you all seem a good bunch and I dont like that some of you feel that the org is 'becoming racist'.
I have read through this and good, valid points have been raised but we are all different. If we were all the same this funny old world would be very boring and the need for discussion/forums (like e org) would be non-existent. Having different beliefs, fears, hopes, is what makes us who we are and makes us individuals.
I have been looking at the org for a while now and it has taken me ages to start to get involved in these threads but it is fast becoming part of my routine in the evening. I look forward to my time on e org, once my daughter is tucked up in bed.
Yes, some discussions are not for me but I ignore those threads. I look at the ones that do take my interest and, if I feel I have something useful (well, I hope) to add, I do a reply. (Think I might be at 14 posts now!!!:lol:)
Its like everything in life - you have to take the good with the bad.
Someone has an excellent signature (sorry but cant remember who) but it sums up some of what has been said on this thread. It is about not saying anything about anyone until you have walked some miles in their shoes (it was moccasins though) but hopefully you get what I mean.
Just one other thing - Hello Percy Toboggan!! Remember me! Spoke to you last year!! :lol:
percy toboggan
01-Aug-08, 21:50
Just one other thing - Hello Percy Toboggan!! Remember me! Spoke to you last year!! :lol:
Sorry Nibbler, but I've forgotten. My memory is not what it was....or is it?:confused
Please post more often...I like your style.
teenybash
01-Aug-08, 22:01
Something I have noticed about English folks who come to Caithness and no doubt other areas of the Highlands is, they don't sit around........they get up and do it!!!!!
English, Irish, Welsh, Indian,American or whoever, for me are all welcome.
As a footnote though......this is a relatively small island and there is a need for limitations to what the system can cope with.
percy toboggan
01-Aug-08, 22:03
Teenybash, you keep making jolly good sense...I'll have a shot of whatever's brewing in that cup.
teenybash
01-Aug-08, 22:06
Teenybash, you keep making jolly good sense...I'll have a shot of whatever's brewing in that cup.
One cuppa winging its way to you now...................;)
Something I have noticed about English folks who come to Caithness and no doubt other areas of the Highlands is, they don't sit around........they get up and do it!!!!!
English, Irish, Welsh, Indian,American or whoever, for me are all welcome.
As a footnote though......this is a relatively small island and there is a need for limitations to what the system can cope with.They get up and make a hash of Caithness life, Interfering interlopers.[disgust]
Thei is also a limitation on how many English incomers Caithness can cope with or even want.
teenybash
01-Aug-08, 23:47
They get up and make a hash of Caithness life, Interfering interlopers.[disgust]
Thei is also a limitation on how many English incomers Caithness can cope with or even want.
If the English are interfering interlopers..........what are you with a name like Tiberious [latin] Bernard [Irish?] Hazelfoot [English]............. answer me that..:Razz
If the English are interfering interlopers..........what are you with a name like Tiberious [latin] Bernard [Irish?] Hazelfoot [English]............. answer me that..:RazzMy mother had a strange sense of humour.
Welcomefamily
02-Aug-08, 08:28
Was Caithness not a dying community before the English moved in with Dounray? a population of just over a thousand.
If you added all the incomers up, its possible similar to how many Scots moved to Devon to work at Devon Port
Billy Boy
02-Aug-08, 12:13
[quote=Welcomefamily;414279]Was Caithness not a dying community before the English moved in with Dounray? a population of just over a thousand.
Exactly when did the Caithness community start going down hill?
You make it sound like if it wasnt for the English there would be no Caithness commmunity, In my humble opinion its when Dounreay came in that the Caithness spirit went down hill and has just gone from bad to worse. Now there are some English comming up buying local business's and running them into the ground.[disgust]
Welcomefamily
02-Aug-08, 12:36
I accept your opinion Billy Boy, most people seem to think Dounreay was a good thing up here, I am interested in your view, why did it start going down hill?
I sorry if I gave the impression of a lack of community before Dounreay, I did not mean to, I am sure the community would have been a very close knit community as Caithness was more isolated then.
On your second point, I see no point in ever running a business into the ground, if you make a good profit you can sell it on. Some times the property prices up here give people the opportunity to do something they could not afford to do down south.
I accept your opinion Billy Boy, most people seem to think Dounreay was a good thing up here, I am interested in your view, why did it start going down hill?
I sorry if I gave the impression of a lack of community before Dounreay, I did not mean to, I am sure the community would have been a very close knit community as Caithness was more isolated then.
On your second point, I see no point in ever running a business into the ground, if you make a good profit you can sell it on. Some times the property prices up here give people the opportunity to do something they could not afford to do down south.It also makes it hard for the younger folk up here to make a go of things like settling down and starting a family with a home of their own because someone sold a shed sized house down south for 200k then bought property in Caithness.
changilass
02-Aug-08, 19:26
Its 2 way traffic, lots of youngsters head south for uni or jobs, quite a few settle, then come back when they are older and have English accents and get accused of being incomers anyway lol.
Younger folks down south can't afford to get on the property ladder - why should it be any different up here???
I accept your opinion Billy Boy, most people seem to think Dounreay was a good thing up here, I am interested in your view, why did it start going down hill?
I sorry if I gave the impression of a lack of community before Dounreay, I did not mean to, I am sure the community would have been a very close knit community as Caithness was more isolated then.
On your second point, I see no point in ever running a business into the ground, if you make a good profit you can sell it on. Some times the property prices up here give people the opportunity to do something they could not afford to do down south.
I would say that once the UK government announced it would no longer be funding the Fast Reactor Research Programme (1988) things started to decline. Prior to this there had been an optimism amongst those employed on the Dounreay site, and not too long before the decision there were the heady days of the EDRP enquiry –where a proposal to build a European Demonstrations Reprocessing Plant in Caithness was muted. In those days there was a purpose, a goal, a nuclear future. After the decision, the future was one of basically cleaning up, there was nothing to aim for. I have heard all the mantras of those who have “controlled” Dounreay in its many management guises since 1988, and none of them can bring the enthusiasm that was present before that decision.
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Exactly when did the Caithness community start going down hill?
IMO, The Caithness Community went into decline at the end of the 2nd World War. The Caithness men that returned from serving their country, found a county that had very few jobs, the only industries in Caithness at that time, were Fishing or Farming, my family were farm workers, and my own Father had to become an economic migrant to support his family, and we had to move to Perthshire to find work, until the advent of Dounreay Caithness was a sleepy little backwater, its only claim to fame was the Ferry to Orkney.
Dounreay IMO helped to make Caithness in more ways than one, just look at all the spin off industries that started, Caithness Glass, Norfrost, ok maybe those two are now gone, but in their day they were godsends to Caithness.
Just look at some of the small businesses at Scrabster now, Scrabster is three times the size now, than when I remember it as a boy in the 1940's.
IMO, The Caithness Community went into decline at the end of the 2nd World War. The Caithness men that returned from serving their country, found a county that had very few jobs, the only industries in Caithness at that time, were Fishing or Farming, my family were farm workers, and my own Father had to become an economic migrant to support his family, and we had to move to Perthshire to find work, until the advent of Dounreay Caithness was a sleepy little backwater, its only claim to fame was the Ferry to Orkney.
Dounreay IMO helped to make Caithness in more ways than one, just look at all the spin off industries that started, Caithness Glass, Norfrost, ok maybe those two are now gone, but in their day they were godsends to Caithness.
Just look at some of the small businesses at Scrabster now, Scrabster is three times the size now, than when I remember it as a boy in the 1940's.I know it's ancient history Golach but another Claim to fame was that it's Royal Borough was the Herring Capital of Europe.
northener
02-Aug-08, 22:26
My real name is Sandra, my last name starts with a "B" and if you look in the corner of my post you will see where I live.
Re-read my post.......
Welcomefamily
03-Aug-08, 08:54
Thanks for that, if Dounreay had not come along how do you think things would have developed?
IMO, The Caithness Community went into decline at the end of the 2nd World War. The Caithness men that returned from serving their country, found a county that had very few jobs, the only industries in Caithness at that time, were Fishing or Farming, my family were farm workers, and my own Father had to become an economic migrant to support his family, and we had to move to Perthshire to find work, until the advent of Dounreay Caithness was a sleepy little backwater, its only claim to fame was the Ferry to Orkney.
Dounreay IMO helped to make Caithness in more ways than one, just look at all the spin off industries that started, Caithness Glass, Norfrost, ok maybe those two are now gone, but in their day they were godsends to Caithness.
Just look at some of the small businesses at Scrabster now, Scrabster is three times the size now, than when I remember it as a boy in the 1940's.
Welcomefamily
03-Aug-08, 09:07
I understand that as well, house prices in the South West went mad during the 1980s with people moving out of London to the South West. My first house in the South West cost me 9K in 78, it was worth about 12 in 81, 27 in 83 and 54 in 84. About three years ago when I was down visiting we saw what I thought were foundations for double garages being put in, they ending up being detacted three storey houses with about a metre between them, two metres at the front and about six at the back.
At least house prices are falling again, at an Inverness estate agents recently I was shocked to see there fall.
It also makes it hard for the younger folk up here to make a go of things like settling down and starting a family with a home of their own because someone sold a shed sized house down south for 200k then bought property in Caithness.
I know it's ancient history Golach but another Claim to fame was that it's Royal Borough was the Herring Capital of Europe.
Aye TBH, but that was before WW2.
It also makes it hard for the younger folk up here to make a go of things like settling down and starting a family with a home of their own because someone sold a shed sized house down south for 200k then bought property in Caithness.
The biggest reason why younger people dont make a go of it up in caithness is because of the lack of work and opportunity there for what carreer they want thats why they move away.And as for people selling there shed size property for 200k and moving to caithness and getting a better house or going morgage free with the profit they make good luck to them i would do the same to if had the opportunity to.And lets face caithness is a nice place to live but if u loose your job your stuffed its not so easy to get job as whatit is in a city thats the downside with living in caithness and thats just the way things are.
Its far better for a young person to move away and get a carreer in something they enjoy rather than being unemployed or stuck in some job there not really interested in.
Re-read my post.......
Where did I say people should post their names and addresses? I said it was done on another forum I use, where we do use our real names and addresses.
northener
03-Aug-08, 23:16
Where did I say people should post their names and addresses? I said it was done on another forum I use, where we do use our real names and addresses.
Well, if you can't work out what I'm talking about, there is no point in any further discussion.
Well, if you can't work out what I'm talking about, there is no point in any further discussion.
Well, that comes across as pretty dismissive.
I think what you're saying is people in Caithness cannot control their
emotions, so you have to hide behind nicknames when you give your opinions, or risk being accosted in the street.
Of course, maybe I am just as stupid as you think I am...
cuddlepop
06-Aug-08, 09:32
Nicknames over here are used to tie an individual down to their name as there tends to be a fair few John MacKenzies.its not used to hind identity but highlight it.
Just like the ginger headed lad whose called John mackenzie will alwas be called Ginger,makes it so much easier to know who their talking about.
Boys tend to have the nicknames and the girls an attachment to a
family member who has a nickname
My own daughter was alwas called "Festers " sister,which did not go down to well.:lol:
Well, that comes across as pretty dismissive.
I think what you're saying is people in Caithness cannot control their
emotions, so you have to hide behind nicknames when you give your opinions, or risk being accosted in the street.
Of course, maybe I am just as stupid as you think I am...
Dont get your jive here at all I am afraid!
Caithness people can control their emoticons, and its not a case of hiding behind nicknames, its an "internet" thing, (thats the thing that your communicating on) mostly all forums have Nicknames, if you dont believe me check out some forums.
I havent heard of people being accosted on the street for their opinions on the org,as most people know on here that its light hearted banter, yes we may argue and call each others dads out to fight on our behalf, but its just a way of expressing your opinions etc. I for one can say there is no-one on here i "hate", disagree with and LOVE disagreeing with oh yes! but its a Nemesis type thing. I have a sneaky admiration for my nemesises(is that a word) ;) After all my dads bigger than their dads!!! ;)
After all my dads bigger than their dads!!! ;)
My dads deceased....I dinna have a dowg....hmmm...my motor is faster than yours.:)
northener
08-Aug-08, 16:16
..............
I think what you're saying is people in Caithness cannot control their
emotions, so you have to hide behind nicknames when you give your opinions, or risk being accosted in the street.
...
By Jove, you've got it, girl.
There's a few people on here who will tell you that there has been at least one 'incident' where the .org has spilled over into the local community..
Which is what I said originally........................................ ..........................................:roll:
I'm sure the revalation of names etc, wouldn't have much of an impact in Stuttgart though, so I can understand your failure to comprehend.
northener
08-Aug-08, 16:19
Well, that comes across as pretty dismissive.......
........Of course, maybe I am just as stupid as you think I am...
If I thought you were stupid and I wished to be dismissive, believe me, you'd be in no doubt. I don't want to go into details on here but it wasn't very pleasant for the person involved.
You only have to have seen the slanging match that erupted on the thread about the 'Yard' after a few of the more witless members of the Wick community recognised each other in the forum.
As Hotrod says, it's common practice the have an 'alias' online - especially in a Forum that encompasses a wide range of unconnected individuals. I've been a member of forums where I've posted under my real name - but these have been forums where a relatively 'close' (common interest) group of people have been posting.
My dads deceased....I dinna have a dowg....hmmm...my motor is faster than yours.:)
No chance I have a triple Turbo charged 15 Litre fuel injected space shuttle!!! (hence my username);)
1-0 to the Hotrod!!
No chance I have a triple Turbo charged 15 Litre fuel injected space shuttle!!! (hence my username);)
1-0 to the Hotrod!!
The power of nuclear fusion fitted to my Herald easily Triumphs over your hairdryer. [lol]
Hot rod, your signature states
"Brit
The greatest of all peoples, the British have a strong history of innovation and world prestige. We like our football, our tea, and we love our Union Jack. As a member of this proud race, you set an example for the entire world."
May I point out that the correct name for our National Flag it the Union Flag, not the Union Jack.
'Union Jack' was used as an alternative name for the Union Flag by the Admiralty and Parliament in the early 20th century. The term 'jack' refers to the flag that is flown from the bowsprit of a ship, often denoting nationality.
Hot rod, your signature states
"Brit
The greatest of all peoples, the British have a strong history of innovation and world prestige. We like our football, our tea, and we love our Union Jack. As a member of this proud race, you set an example for the entire world."
May I point out that the correct name for our National Flag it the Union Flag, not the Union Jack.
'Union Jack' was used as an alternative name for the Union Flag by the Admiralty and Parliament in the early 20th century. The term 'jack' refers to the flag that is flown from the bowsprit of a ship, often denoting nationality.
And your point is..........? Isnt this the 21st century? if its an alternative name used by parliament thats good enough for me.
I think you will find that the majority of people refer to the flag as the "union jack" and not "union flag".
And your signature reads........."Once the original Grumpy Owld Man but alas no more" Shall I pick holes in that? me thinks not as you have proven your signature to be wholly incorrect.
I'm getting sick fed up every time I come on here seeing downers on people. It's getting to the point that I come on here less and less. So many posts against people. Anyone else feel like this?
Sorry, I missed the start of this one but I am a little puzzled.
Are we talking about squabbles between individuals descending into name calling and petty bickering or are we discussing Racism?
If we are talking about the former then yes, that does happen and those who want to carry out their private disagreements in public should do so elsewhere and in private.
If we are talking about the latter then from what I have seen over the years posters who try to put forward Racist views are soon shot down by other posters and, if posts which are overtly Racist appear on the board then they are usually quickly removed and the person responsible dealt with accordingly.
By Jove, you've got it, girl.
There's a few people on here who will tell you that there has been at least one 'incident' where the .org has spilled over into the local community..
Which is what I said originally........................................ ..........................................:roll:
I'm sure the revalation of names etc, wouldn't have much of an impact in Stuttgart though, so I can understand your failure to comprehend.
Hopefully I'll be able to say the same to you (complete with obnoxious eye roll) when you finally see my first post in this thread was to the person I quoted and nowhere did I say people on the.org should use their own names.
Also though I may be in Stuttgart at the moment I am from Thurso and know exactly what Caithness is like (and it's full of a lot nicer people than you seem to think), and when I move back in a few months I will keep my user name and it won't cause me any problems as I don't us the forums to bully and belittle others.
I'm now going to make good use of the ignore function, can I suggest you do the same.
Hot rod, your signature states
"Brit
The greatest of all peoples, the British have a strong history of innovation and world prestige. We like our football, our tea, and we love our Union Jack. As a member of this proud race, you set an example for the entire world."
May I point out that the correct name for our National Flag it the Union Flag, not the Union Jack.
'Union Jack' was used as an alternative name for the Union Flag by the Admiralty and Parliament in the early 20th century. The term 'jack' refers to the flag that is flown from the bowsprit of a ship, often denoting nationality.
I still await your come back ;) or shall I take that as Hotrod wins and truimphs over the dark lord Golach!!!!! ;)
This thread is turning into a predjudice thread not a raciest one. It does not make anyone less raciest being a brit and proud of it, especially if they have problems with other brits, English V's Welsh, Scots v'S english, its no different to be Black against white..
This thread is turning into a predjudice thread not a raciest one. It does not make anyone less raciest being a brit and proud of it, especially if they have problems with other brits, English V's Welsh, Scots v'S english, its no different to be Black against white..
Don't you mean white agianst black?
Don't you mean white agianst black?
sorry did i not get that politically correct..;)
Whites against blacks, although living in manchester for many years, blacks have as many problems with whites. I myself am not raciest, colour makes no difference to me whatso ever. Attitude does.!
northener
14-Aug-08, 17:35
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I'm now going to make good use of the ignore function, can I suggest you do the same.
I've never used the 'ignore' function - never will.
Was that a teddy going past my head?
Sapphire2803
14-Aug-08, 17:37
Swiftly followed by a dummy? Probably...
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