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What a fantastic piece of news to hear that Radovan Karadzic has been captured at long last. I hope his sidekick general Mladic (not sure of spelling) is soon alongside him in jail.
It was heartbreaking to see the footage on the news again tonight of the men and boys being marched off to their deaths in Bosnia all those years ago and the mass graves being examined years later.
How could we have let this happen in the middle of Europe?
What a fantastic piece of news to hear that Radovan Karadzic has been captured at long last. I hope his sidekick general Mladic (not sure of spelling) is soon alongside him in jail.
It was heartbreaking to see the footage on the news again tonight of the men and boys being marched off to their deaths in Bosnia all those years ago and the mass graves being examined years later.
How could we have let this happen in the middle of Europe?Will you be so ecstatic when Bush and Blair are finally indicted?
Melancholy Man
22-Jul-08, 23:08
It's worse than I thought. He's been a practising homoeopath. Not only is he an indited war criminal, he's a quack.
Will you be so ecstatic when Bush and Blair are finally indicted?
Evidence?
It's worse than I thought. He's been a practising homoeopath. Not only is he an indited war criminal, he's a quack.
Evidence?
What evidence are you looking for, have you not eyes to see?
Melancholy Man
22-Jul-08, 23:21
What evidence are you looking for, have you not eyes to see? (http://What%20evidence%20are%20you%20looking%20for,%20hav e%20you%20not%20eyes%20to%20see?)
A legal argument would be nice. As a registered seer at PSY Help Energy (http://www.psy-help-energy.com/), I can tell you now that a "war of aggression" is not what you likely think it is. An actual example is Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait. Furthermore, a case for breach of international law requires proof of this, not necessarily an absence of a legal case approving the relevant action. Examples including Saddam Hussein's repeated flouting of binding UN resolutions from 1991-2003.
And certain Lancet reports are barking mad. And the invasion of Iraq was wrong.
Now, what does this have to do with arrest of the scumbag Karadzic?
A legal argument would be nice. As a registered seer at PSY Help Energy (http://www.psy-help-energy.com/), I can tell you now that a "war of aggression" is not what you likely think it is. An actual example is Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait. Furthermore, a case for breach of international law requires proof of this, not necessarily an absence of a legal case approving the relevant action. Examples including Saddam Hussein's repeated flouting of binding UN resolutions from 1991-2003.
And certain Lancet reports are barking mad. And the invasion of Iraq was wrong.
Now, what does this have to do with arrest of the scumbag Karadzic?Which practices that have been illegal that are now legal would you like to discuss. Btw, legal practices in the USA are in flux according to need.
I've just seen the latest pics of karadzic and i must say, he would have fooled me with his disguise
I've just seen the latest pics of karadzic and i must say, he would have fooled me with his disguiseYou are easily fooled though Rhegead.
You are easily fooled though Rhegead.
you honestly think you could have picked him out? Get a job with the UN for Christ's sake man.
Melancholy Man
23-Jul-08, 00:07
Which practices that have been illegal that are now legal would you like to discuss. Btw, legal practices in the USA are in flux according to need.
I have no idea what this means. Karadzic, and the other fascists in
you honestly think you could have picked him out? Get a job with the UN for Christ's sake man.It was hardly rocket science for christs sake.
Which practices that have been illegal that are now legal would you like to discuss. Btw, legal practices in the USA are in flux according to need.
I have no idea what this means. Karadzic, and the other fascists inDepending on their needs, the definition of torture is in flux therefore it's legality. Is that enough for you?
It was hardly rocket science for christs sake.
You are too good for me and everyone else on his trail then. I say again, get a job with the UN and earn some serious doe you superman.
You are too good for me and everyone else on his trail then. I say again, get a job with the UN and earn some serious doe you superman.
Lmao, I do in fact earn some, 'serious Dough' but, tell me, when were you on his trail you secret agent you?
Lmao, I do in fact earn some, 'serious Dough' but, tell me, when were you on his trail you secret agent you?
If you are earning serious dough then why didn't you find him?waste of money eh? jeez...:roll:
If you are earning serious dough then why didn't you find him?waste of money eh? jeez...:roll:Sorry rheghead, my remit is not to find war criminals.
Sorry rheghead, my remit is not to find war criminals.
I'm just saying that karadzic would have fooled anyone who is trying to find him.
Wimbledon is supposed to be over Gentlemen!!
I'm just saying that karadzic would have fooled anyone who is trying to find him.Come on now Rheghead, the guy looked like Peter Sellars having a bad day.
Do you honestly believe our security forces had no idea where he was or what he currently looked like?
This is going to be a show trial, that is all.
Wimbledon is supposed to be over Gentlemen!!
I prefer ping pong.
Wimbledon is supposed to be over Gentlemen!!
New balls please! ;)
Melancholy Man
23-Jul-08, 00:45
It may have been difficult to pick Karadzic out now from a mug-shot, but it’s funny how he was ale to operate unhindered in central Belgrade for all these years, with the Serbian rozzers finding him only now.
Do you honestly believe our security forces had no idea where he was or what he currently looked like?
There’d actually been several attempted snatches of him, and successful of others. Sending an SAS platoon into Belgrade would have been a different matter. He had previously been convicted of fraud and embezzlement, and took a large stash of loot with him for bungs.
This is going to be a show trial, that is all.
Well, scum like Mladic are still free. If he starts blabbing about Hurd and Rifkind, all the better!
Which practices that have been illegal that are now legal would you like to discuss. Btw, legal practices in the USA are in flux according to need.I have no idea what this means. Karadzic is a narcissist and all-round appalling man who penned odes to grenade attacks on Sarajevo. After Srebrenica, along with his fellow fascists and/or national socialists across Replublika Srpska and Serbia herself, were shown that, unlike women and children, Apache attack helicopters and Tomahawk missile answer back. Four years later, they tried the same in Kosova, and had the point hammered home.
This was not the UN. It was NATO. God bless NATO. It was ‘illegal’, but I loose very little sleep over the thought. I wish there had been a similarly ‘illegal’ bombing of the Interahamwe in Rwanda in 1994.
Some 7,000 men and boys were taken out into fields in July 1995, and shot (and the morons filmed it!). When this starts, anything can happen. Bush and Blair are only relevant if you see everything through the prism of Iraq.
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Depending on their needs, the definition of torture is in flux therefore it's legaity. Is that enough for you?Nope. What the smeg are you talking about?
I prefer ping pong.
In that order? ;)
What a fantastic piece of news to hear that Radovan Karadzic has been captured at long last. I hope his sidekick general Mladic (not sure of spelling) is soon alongside him in jail.
It was heartbreaking to see the footage on the news again tonight of the men and boys being marched off to their deaths in Bosnia all those years ago and the mass graves being examined years later.
How could we have let this happen in the middle of Europe?
I agree with you rupert that it is great news that at last he has been caught. This evil scumback, who sent so many innocent people to their deaths, will hopefully rot in prison, slowly.
My mother's family still live in Croatia and I have many cousins who fought against the Serbs. They still bear the mental and physical scars to prove it. I have heard many stories from them of the Serb atrocities they witnessed. Even before the war I can recall the fear in my elderly grandmother's voice at the mention of the word Serbs.
The capture of Radovan Karadzic will not bring back the thousands who have died or erase the memories of those who lived through it. They have waited a long time to see him brought to justice. Here's hoping it won't be to long before Ratko Mladic follows him.
EDIT Nope. What the smeg are you talking about?Ah the joys of Red Dwarf, anyhow, definitions of torture have been defined by the United Stated Gvernment as whatever they wish to be legal will be legal.
Melancholy Man
23-Jul-08, 15:10
Ah the joys of Red Dwarf, anyhow, definitions of torture have been defined by the United Stated Gvernment as whatever they wish to be legal will be legal.
And? Srebrenica, alone, killed in the region of seven to eight thousand non-combatants. That I believe waterboarding is moderate torture, and some legalistic jiggery-pokery has gone on to claim otherwise, does not change my thoughts of Srebrenica and the other obscenitities Karadzic was behind.
Calling Bush or Blair war-criminals devalues the term. The reason they haven't been indited for breach of international law is because you don't have a case. I'm waiting for fatuous applications of modus ponens which state that because a "war of aggression" is the "supreme international crime" (and our latter-day Mary Whitehouses have decided the invasion of Iraq was such), then such wars are *the* supreme crimes. What, worse than civil-war criminals?
I can have meaningful discussions with both opponents and supporters of the invasion of Iraq, but I always get the strong sense that the former category has more individuals looking for a daddy substitute. Can we please discuss Karadzic, and desist telling people like Venture just how much their countries and families matter compared to getting one over on Blair and Bush?
Will you be so ecstatic when Bush and Blair are finally indicted?
I fail to see the point of your question. Are you not pleased to see RK captured and on his way to court?
percy toboggan
23-Jul-08, 20:48
The Balkan lot will never really reconcile themselves to living in harmony. On the surface the EU might bring some superficial unity and usher in a long spell of peace.
The ancient enmities of these different factions were sat upon and kept down for years by Tito and once he, and the yolk of communism had gone there was a free for all.
There is too much history going back seven or eight hundred years not to mention the scars of World War Two where savagery reigned supreme for a truly settled future.
That said I'm glad this geezer is in custody amd I hope they find Miladdo soon (can't spell his name) the timing is not coincidental..Serbia is ready for a new chapter and will be welcomed into the wonder of the EU....A great pity GB cannot make the room for them and dis-engage from this artificial friendly society which fleeces us on a regular basis.
northener
23-Jul-08, 21:22
[quote=percy toboggan;410539]............
That said I'm glad this geezer is in custody amd I hope they find Miladdo soon (can't spell his name) the timing is not coincidental..Serbia is ready for a new chapter and will be welcomed into the wonder of the EU....quote]
I'd agree with you there, Percy.
Rather odd that after all this time certain members of the Serbian community have suddenly 'remembered' that the bloke who looks like Father Christmas may not be the real deal after all......
Could it be because suddenly it is more beneficial to the Serbs to dump their 'National Hero'?
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