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Hi all, I have no idea how it is done but I just realised that there is no entry of the Whaligoe Steps on wikipedia.
This could be a .org community project lol getting together the info and putting it up there.
just an idea... :)
Hi all, I have no idea how it is done but I just realised that there is no entry of the Whaligoe Steps on wikipedia.
This could be a .org community project lol getting together the info and putting it up there.
just an idea... :)
No need for an entry if Caithness.org was allowed a link from the Caithness entry. Laurel Bush keeps deleting it on the grounds that Caithness.org is a commercial venture.
George Brims
05-Jun-08, 19:07
No need for an entry if Caithness.org was allowed a link from the Caithness entry. Laurel Bush keeps deleting it on the grounds that Caithness.org is a commercial venture.
So what? Lots of commercial ventures get a mention (isn't every movie an attempt to make money, for instance?).
Who is Laurel Bush?
Who is Laurel Bush?
He' the bloke that gets into 'spoons early and does all the crosswords..
George Brims
05-Jun-08, 19:47
Anyhoo....
It is terrible that Wikipedia doesn't have a Whaligoe entry. I should disclose a personal interest. My great grandfather fished out of Whaligoe, and built the house that faces the main road just up the hill (the first one on the left). Other than that I don't know any more about the place than the average Caithness resident, and probably less than many.
As Fluff says, we ought to get an effort going to add something. There are also a lot of other Caithness things that could be added.
Bit more info on Mr bush (did not do too well in the elections!) but why on earth should he keep deleting it on the grounds that 'Caithness.org is a commercial venture.' - so what? the steps are a very interesting and evocative place to visit
http://www.highland.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/4D7DD0AF-80F1-4EF7-80B1-6D8BCCE5AF66/0/Wick.pdf (http://www.highland.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/4D7DD0AF-80F1-4EF7-80B1-6D8BCCE5AF66/0/Wick.pdf)
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Who is Laurel Bush?
Read all about him here George :- http://www.caithness.org/fpb/election2007/highlandcouncil/index.htm
Just in case you miss it, it read :-
"Laurel Bush - Independent
Mr Bush has decided not to supply any information to us."
Tighsonas4
05-Jun-08, 20:19
So what? Lots of commercial ventures get a mention (isn't every movie an attempt to make money, for instance?).
Who is Laurel Bush?
if thats who he is i cant see what its got with him what happens here in caithness. how come he got his nose in it anyway tony
George Brims
05-Jun-08, 20:21
This Bush person must not be allowed to mess with a valid Wikipedia entry like that. I may try to get some time to put something up about Whaligoe over the weekend.
Who is Laurel Bush?
He' the bloke that gets into 'spoons early and does all the crosswords..
I doubt that would have meant anything to George Brims but your second post was more helpful.
Bit more info on Mr bush (did not do too well in the elections!) but why on earth should he keep deleting it on the grounds that 'Caithness.org is a commercial venture.' - so what? the steps are a very interesting and evocative place to visit
http://www.highland.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/4D7DD0AF-80F1-4EF7-80B1-6D8BCCE5AF66/0/Wick.pdf (http://www.highland.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/4D7DD0AF-80F1-4EF7-80B1-6D8BCCE5AF66/0/Wick.pdf)
Why indeed Bekisman - sour grapes perhaps? I'm not much of a gardener myself but this sounds like a total contradiction in terms.....
northener
05-Jun-08, 20:56
Read all about him here George :- http://www.caithness.org/fpb/election2007/highlandcouncil/index.htm
Just in case you miss it, it read :-
"Laurel Bush - Independent
Mr Bush has decided not to supply any information to us."
Yup, that's the sort of guy you'd want in Government. He'll be all for openness and transparency in politics........
northener
05-Jun-08, 21:00
Who is Laurel Bush?
He' the bloke that gets into 'spoons early and does all the crosswords..
Is that the guy with the pony tail and beard or am I off the mark?
PS: Empty yer PM box!
Whoops! just had a number of pm's come in all at once, cleared now..
Yep that's the one, you are smack on!
Lumberjack
05-Jun-08, 21:35
Hi,
Have just seen this headline on the BBC website, "Payphone fight at Whaligoe Steps". I expected to see that both payphones had been remanded in custody pending background enquiries and police were looking for witnesses, but it is a sad report that the payphone is earmarked for closure.
Maybe this is the kind of publicity Whaligoe needs to make it onto Wikipedia.
Tighsonas4
05-Jun-08, 21:47
Is that the guy with the pony tail and beard or am I off the mark?
PS: Empty yer PM box!
no as far as i gather your spot on tony
So what? Lots of commercial ventures get a mention (isn't every movie an attempt to make money, for instance?).
Who is Laurel Bush?
Exactly, I tried to put back the Caithness.org link every 2 or 3 days but this guy seems more dedicated to erasing Caithness.org than I'm at reinstating it to Wikipedia, total warped dedication imho.
Bobinovich
05-Jun-08, 23:30
Considering that the North of Scotland Newspapers (a commercial organisation) is linked in the references, I don't see why Caithness.org cannot also :confused - especially as it often reports news in advance of the former.
Hi,
Have just seen this headline on the BBC website, "Payphone fight at Whaligoe Steps". I expected to see that both payphones had been remanded in custody pending background enquiries and police were looking for witnesses
Hey Lumberjack, I saw that altercation and it amounted to little more than "Handsets at ten paces"
You know the way it goes with phones, "You can't talk to me in that TONE" etc and before you know it they are ENGAGED in an effort to 'BT' crap out of each other. Police later took both phones down to the station to see which one would TALK TALK first.
Is that the guy with the pony tail and beard or am I off the mark?
PS: Empty yer PM box!
That is the guy. Laurel Bush is not his real name, I remember reading that in a court case section of the Groat.
It would seem that there is a page on Bebo dedicated to Laurel Bush. It looks like a mickey take, with a short fashion range containing a satchel, open toed sandals and a parka!! Also a photo of our old pal Osama Bin Laden in there too!!
Laurel Bush also has his own Wiki page, not much on it though!!
Whaligoe Steps on Wikipedia.
RH: "No need for an entry if Caithness.org was allowed a link from the Caithness entry. Laurel Bush keeps deleting it on the grounds that Caithness.org is a commercial venture."
Bearing this in mind seems rather hypocritical - if not downright strange, for Mr Bush to advertise his own (for 'monetary reward'?) services on arts.caithness.org - does it not?
http://arts.caithness.org/group.php?id=73 (http://arts.caithness.org/group.php?id=73)
Tugmistress
09-Jun-08, 09:01
If someone knows a bit of history about whaligoe steps and is willing to write it down and email it to me i'll put a page on my site about it, i know the org has a small write up on it with some photo's, but it may be worth having it on two places. ok i know it's not wikipedia, but it's better than nothing. am planning a trip there in the not too distant future for some pics and if someone wants to join me to hold a rope i'd be grateful lol
Had some friends who are staying with us, do a trip to the steps yesterday, said they spoke to a local chap there who said that they had recently been damaged; yobs tipping stones down the steps. Our friends did say that some corner stones were missing?
I ask him about Leviathan, an epic folk song on the album, which mentions Helmsdale's Whaligoe Steps: 365 steps cut into the cliff face. What was the inspiration behind the song?
"Helmsdale was the inspiration," he says. "Up north, Wick possibly, it was an inspiration of mine, that. The Whaligoe Steps. They're great. It's about leaving situations. It's about melody. It is about songs. And I'm thinking about the wind and cold up there, and all of that."
What a bunch of Ignorant gits.[lol]
http://www.sundayherald.com/life/people/display.var.1596535.0.the_return_of_edwyn_collins. php
bb1stwick
09-Jun-08, 10:15
I think that everyone who passes whaligoe steps turn off should stop and use the payphone to try to stop them from closing it!
That area is one of the worst for mobile phone reception I have had to use the box on more than one occasion due to no signal.[disgust]
Ok i am alittle confused here, why does the bush person keep deleting an entry on wiki? Is the entry taken straight from the org i.e. with links etc?
northener
09-Jun-08, 16:48
Ok i am alittle confused here, why does the bush person keep deleting an entry on wiki? Is the entry taken straight from the org i.e. with links etc?
Fluff, do you think that anyone who has the same name as a tree will make rational decisions?
Tighsonas4
10-Jun-08, 17:31
If someone knows a bit of history about whaligoe steps and is willing to write it down and email it to me i'll put a page on my site about it, i know the org has a small write up on it with some photo's, but it may be worth having it on two places. ok i know it's not wikipedia, but it's better than nothing. am planning a trip there in the not too distant future for some pics and if someone wants to join me to hold a rope i'd be grateful lol
does that mean your sailing round tuggs if so will try and spot you on ais [lol]regards tony
Quite a few Wikipedia "editors" act like little Hitlers - they get their kicks by redacting entries and usually cite the 'commercial' reason for doing so.
I have had run-ins on several occasions - I emailed one and got a really snotty reply to my question. Arrogant tossers most of them...
The more he works on Wikipedia, the more the creator sees that is wrong with it, largely due to poor research, and the greater the personal work and expense involved in trying to put it right.
He is beginning to feel, November 2007, that the flame may not be worth the candle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Laurel_Bush
Well why don't you give up and let folk get on with it...
Tugmistress
10-Jun-08, 19:55
does that mean your sailing round tuggs if so will try and spot you on ais [lol]regards tony
haha noooo, i don't do the sailing thing! i'm planning on getting a pretty good (hopefully) photo of the complete set of steps and that means a little 'cliff hanging' so i don't fall in!
This 'Bush' chap on Wikipedia writes about himself: "The more he works on Wikipedia, the more the creator sees that is wrong with it, largely due to poor research, and the greater the personal work and expense involved in trying to put it right. He is beginning to feel, November 2007, that the flame may not be worth the candle." Goodness me what an egotistical thing to say - hopefully his 'candle' will be extinguished.. that PC he uses in Wick library must be red-hot.. The list of his musings are below, surely someone must know enough about these mostly Scottish-based entries (after all Bush is a Geordie - that's right, apart from being a failed politician, born as he tells us, at Crossley Terrace, Newcastle upon Tyne) who can find deficiencies in his writings? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Laurel_Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Laurel_Bush)
The A99 road, Arbuthnott Commission, Boundaries of Parliamentary Constituencies 1885-1972, Crofters' Holdings (Scotland) Act 1886, Highland Potato Famine (1846 - 1857), Legalise Cannabis Alliance, Napier Commission, The Parliaments of England, Politics of the Highland Council area, Scottish Westminster constituencies, The Standing Stones of Caithness, Stone Lud, 1266 Treaty of Perth, United Kingdom Constituencies..
My my and he still finds time to delete an item on the Whaligoe Steps..
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Laurel_Bush
Well why don't you give up and let folk get on with it...
He won't give up MadPict. I suspect he has little else to do. Bekisman posted earlier on this thread about Laurel Bush's bad habits in Wetherspoons. I gather from his Wikipedia entry that he likes to spread himself around :- Via a PC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_%28computing%29) in Wick Library (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wick%2C_Highland) (Ordnance Survey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey) grid reference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_national_grid_reference_system) ND362507 (http://www.rhaworth.myby.co.uk/oscoor_a.htm?ND362507_region:GB_scale:25000))
This 'Bush' chap on Wikipedia writes about himself: "The more he works on Wikipedia, the more the creator sees that is wrong with it, largely due to poor research, and the greater the personal work and expense involved in trying to put it right. He is beginning to feel, November 2007, that the flame may not be worth the candle." Goodness me what an egotistical thing to say - hopefully his 'candle' will be extinguished.. that PC he uses in Wick library must be red-hot.. <snip>
My my and he still finds time to delete an item on the Whaligoe Steps..
I wouldn't ever wish his candle to be extinguished Bekisman. I just wish it smelled sweeter :)
He won't give up MadPict. I suspect he has little else to do. Bekisman posted earlier on this thread about Laurel Bush's bad habits in Wetherspoons. I gather from his Wikipedia entry that he likes to spread himself around :- Via a PC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_%28computing%29) in Wick Library (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wick%2C_Highland) (Ordnance Survey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey) grid reference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_national_grid_reference_system) ND362507 (http://www.rhaworth.myby.co.uk/oscoor_a.htm?ND362507_region:GB_scale:25000))
I wouldn't ever wish his candle to be extinguished Bekisman. I just wish it smelled sweeter :)
Perhaps someone needs to fire an OS grid reference for soap in his direction.
Mister Squiggle
11-Jun-08, 10:18
There is a new calendar out for 2009 in our local shop (taking early orders for posting off overseas etc). I can't remember the photographer (apologies) but it's "Caithness 2009" and has the most absolutely awesome picture of the Whaligoe Steps taken from the sea. It really gives a sense of how steep they are and what a feat it would have been to both construct them and walk up and down them each day with a basket of fish on your head. Incredible picture - well done the photographer!
Tighsonas4
11-Jun-08, 17:06
haha noooo, i don't do the sailing thing! i'm planning on getting a pretty good (hopefully) photo of the complete set of steps and that means a little 'cliff hanging' so i don't fall in!
who better to have a go at the steps. theres a grassy area at the bottom and you can spare a thought for the women of those days gone by ??
it seems it was them that carried the loaded creels back up
by the way i cant say off hand but some of the caithness books used to carry quite a bit of information on these steps.
cant wait until your venture begins [lol] best of luck tony [lol]
George Brims
11-Jun-08, 20:54
It really gives a sense of how steep they are and what a feat it would have been to both construct them and walk up and down them each day with a basket of fish on your head.
Actually I believe the fish baskets were carried on the women's backs, not on their heads. No easier in terms of the load on the legs going up all the steps, but it was maybe slightly easier not to fall off the cliff!
Bill Fernie
11-Jun-08, 23:35
For anyone who has not seen the steps here is photo taken by me from the sea last Sunday while on the Caithness Field Club boiat trip to Lybster -
http://www.caithness.org/photos/caithnessfieldclub/outings/wick_to_lybster/a31.jpg
An article about the steps is at http://www.caithness.org/caithnessfieldclub/bulletins/1982/april/whaligoe.htm
Lots of photos I took a few years ago at http://www.caithness.org/atoz/whaligoe/allthesteps/index.htm
Another set take from the cliff opposite in September 2004
http://www.caithness.org/atoz/photogallery/index.php?gallery=77
Bit more info on Mr bush (did not do too well in the elections!) but why on earth should he keep deleting it on the grounds that 'Caithness.org is a commercial venture.' - so what? the steps are a very interesting and evocative place to visit
http://www.highland.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/4D7DD0AF-80F1-4EF7-80B1-6D8BCCE5AF66/0/Wick.pdf (http://www.highland.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/4D7DD0AF-80F1-4EF7-80B1-6D8BCCE5AF66/0/Wick.pdf)
Think it might be a case of sour grapes....
George Brims
Go for the wikipedia entry on Whaligoe - you have every right to create an entry. Wikipedia belongs to everyone not just Laurel Bush.......
Tighsonas4
12-Jun-08, 19:33
WHALIGOE STEPS
thanks for these links bill. it makes for very interesting reading indeed.
they would have no time for this bush business.in those days it must have been hard going to make a living regards tony
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appeared to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.
That Mr Bush sticky his oar in again?
That Mr Bush sticky his oar in again?
Dont beat about the bush there madpict!! ;)
Have just added an entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaligoe_steps
It doesnt link back to the org so there is no reason for it to be removed.
Please feel free to edit as I cant upload files to it yet.
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