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Treating children like animals.
It's disgraceful.
Erm could you please enlighten me as to what this thread is actually about as I am confused!
changilass
31-May-08, 12:42
See: http://forum.caithness.org/showthread.php?t=49609
Though quite how this is treating kids like animals is confusing
Great minds think alike Changi http://arts.caithness.org/article.php?id=502
this article if this is what it i about leaves parents in no doubt before the event that their children will be checked.
Treating children like animals.
It's disgraceful.
Maybe Blast feels searching children for alcohol and giving them a breathalyser test is treating them like animals. I personally think its a great idea. If the kids dont like it then they don't have to go. The only thing that's disgusting is the amount of underage drinking in the county. If this method prevents it then Im all for it.
See: http://forum.caithness.org/showthread.php?t=49609
Though quite how this is treating kids like animals is confusing
I really don't think it's appropriate to be searching and breathalising primary school aged children.
Assuming the worst in young people is not the way forward.
Are these ten to eleven year olds really interested in the consumption of alcohol? When I was that age it was the last thing on my mind...
Sounds like a good idea if it at least it stops 1 kid getting hurt then surely its a good thing?
I dont see how its treating kids like animals after all dont adults get searched when they enter big clubs down south, its for their own safety,the only ones that will suffer will be the ones with something to hide.
changilass
31-May-08, 12:50
I would much rather have kids searched and breathalised, than read about one of them being a victim of a stabbing with a broken bottle or choking on their own vomit.
silverfox57
31-May-08, 12:52
Treating children like animals.
It's disgraceful.
kids that have not taken any drink or drugs have nothing to fear,or is there some that do,and cause trouble,?:confused
I would absolutely prefer this, not only will parents of children who are law abiding be able to relax and know their children are not being led astray or tempted but it also makes parents of any child who is partaking aware of the issue as they will be escorted home.
I would much rather have kids searched and breathalised, than read about one of them being a victim of a stabbing with a broken bottle or choking on their own vomit.
Primary school kids getting stabbed? C'mon, does this sort of thing happen in Caithness?
Maybe I just think too much of people...
*sigh*
kids that have not taken any drink or drugs have nothing to fear,or is there some that do,and cause trouble,?:confused
Perhaps disgraceful was a bit much.
I find the whole idea a bit unnecessary.
I really don't think it's appropriate to be searching and breathalising primary school aged children.
Assuming the worst in young people is not the way forward.
Are these ten to eleven year olds really interested in the consumption of alcohol? When I was that age it was the last thing on my mind...
These discos are aimed at children from Primary 7 going into High School after the summer. Its giving them a chance to mix with their peers for the first time from other schools. Having supervised many a school disco believe you me anything is possible even at that age.
not YET, but surely it is better to know your children are safe than take that risk. Caithness is not quite the 5 years behind backwater that it used to be. There are constantly new people and ideas moving into the county. Nothing stays the same and I would prefer to see any chance of antisocial behaviour nipped in the bud.
I really dont see what the problem is.
Kids nowadays know more than when we were their age at least it may give some kids a sense of discipline which obviously some of them lack.
I would be willing for my 12 year old daughter to be searched/breathalysed etc as I know ALL kids would be getting the same, at least it will be a controlled environment, darn good idea long may it continue.
Primary school kids getting stabbed? C'mon, does this sort of thing happen in Caithness?
Maybe I just think too much of people...
*sigh*
This sort of thing thankfully does not happen here and that is the reason most people on this thread are happy about this disco's, to try and stop it happening. As like everywhere else drugs, knives etc are coming here and it is naive to think that a 12 year old won't drink (for example cider, alcho pops).
I really dont see what the problem is.
Kids nowadays know more than when we were their age at least it may give some kids a sense of discipline which obviously some of them lack.
I would be willing for my 12 year old daughter to be searched/breathalysed etc as I know ALL kids would be getting the same, at least it will be a controlled environment, darn good idea long may it continue.
I see your point.
How would you feel about attaching GPS trackers to your children, logging onto Google Maps or something similar and tracing their every step?
That's a serious question by the way.
I think it is a great idea, I don't see how anyone can complain given the problems underage drinking.
It is not just the danger children are in while drunk, falling, injury, vomiting, sex without protection, but the long term affects of binge drinking at such a young age.
The underage thing isn't a new , we used to take an inch out of every bottle in the drinks cupboard stick it in an empty coke bottle and drink that. It was called a sh:t mix or a witches brew.
I am pretty certain we were the only teenagers doing this in the Highlands.
What is different now is the alcohol is so much easier for them to get, it tastes better, is easier to drink so they drink more and it is so much cheaper than it was.
And I can say with all honesty primary school children do drink. I am 100% behind anything that reduces the risks for them.
As a parent I would be delighted if someone had checked for alcohol.
when mine were that age, it gives the message loud and clear that it is completely unacceptable for them to be consuming alcohol.
It was made very clear that they would be tested, if they or parents have a problem then they have the choice not to go.
the_count
31-May-08, 13:21
i think blue light is a great idea sure as hell stops parents having to worry about anything untoward happening to the kids on a night out. wish they had had them in my childhood days lol :lol:
I see your point.
How would you feel about attaching GPS trackers to your children, logging onto Google Maps or something similar and tracing their every step?
That's a serious question by the way.
No I would not ever want to go that far as I have faith and trust in my child and I know that when she says she is going somewhere, if I check I will find that is where she is.
If in a group though such as I disco I cannot gaurantee her safety if there is a chance no matter how slight that their will be alcohol or drug fuelled youngsters there. So the fact that all will be checked sets my mind at ease.
I see your point.
How would you feel about attaching GPS trackers to your children, logging onto Google Maps or something similar and tracing their every step?
That's a serious question by the way.
Now I think you are taking it a bit too far.
This is a Disco for kids that keeps them SAFE not a way of spying on kids, its aim is to promote friendliness and to keep kids out of trouble. Nothing wrong there?
Dynamic Sounds
31-May-08, 13:28
I personally don't think that breath testing of kids is a bad thing in this circumstance.
If you go back to my years at high school, I remember kids in my age group (12 - 16) talking about where they were getting the vodka for the next disco at the school/ youth club/ country dance. I also remember that there was trouble at certain dances with teenagers getting drunk and causing damage to places/toilets etc. If there was a policy of breath testing the kids back then, possibly some of this damage could have been avoided. And as said before it will take the worry of parents shoulders because the know that the kids are going somewhere safe, and wont get into (as much) trouble.
Perhaps disgraceful was a bit much.
I find the whole idea a bit unnecessary.
i think the sad fact of the matter is it is becoming neccessary to take extreme measures like this to protect our kids. Not only to help prevent the consumption of alcohol by youngsters who would quite happily try it, but also to protect the ones that wouldnt touch it in their wildest dreams from being unwitting victims in any trouble that can happen around drunken youngster/s.
its not ideal, but we dont live in an ideal world unfortunatley.
changilass
31-May-08, 13:37
Some folks will never be happy.
Complain like mad that not enough is being done to safeguard our kids, then scream blue murder when an initiative like this takes off.
Primary school kids getting stabbed? C'mon, does this sort of thing happen in Caithness?
Maybe I just think too much of people...
*sigh*
Watched a programme on UK Fire Detectives last night - they were called to a bonfire which had been extinguished by a crew only to find a body in there. The subsequent investigation revealed the man had been stabbed by a 13 yr old boy and pushed into the fire....
Anything that gives kids a safe environment to enjoy themselves is a good thing. People bemoan thefact the Police are isolated from the communities they serve and yet when they try a positive initiative they get cries of disgraceful...
I think you forget how violent some kids can be...[disgust]
It is not just the danger children are in while drunk, falling, injury, vomiting, sex without protection, but the long term affects of binge drinking at such a young age.
Sex at 11? Christ, I must have had a pretty sheltered childhood if that's what the kids are really up to. Personally I think that's a parenting problem rather than a social one but that's another topic...
I think you forget how violent some kids can be...[disgust]
That's shocking.
I don't forget - I have no idea. :)
I've been living in Glasgow for five years - the stab capital of the world apparently - and have never seen anything like this.
Take a read of this link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-385968/Girl-11-Britains-youngest-mother.html its an eye opener and 2 years old
Primary school kids getting stabbed? C'mon, does this sort of thing happen in Caithness?
Maybe I just think too much of people...
*sigh*
No, it hasn't happened and I hope it never does. However look at America, where the school's have metal detector's at the entrance because of kids taking knives and guns to school. How many times over the years have we heard of kids in this country killing someone? Look at the amount of killing's in London so far this year. Unfortunately there will always be a gang culture and they will always try to outdo each other. Some of those killings may be drink-fuelled. Am I taking things to extreme? Maybe I am, but what happens in one part of the country can easily spread to other parts. We can't constantly monitor our kid's but if we know they are in a controlled environment then surely that can't be a bad thing?
I see your point.
How would you feel about attaching GPS trackers to your children, logging onto Google Maps or something similar and tracing their every step?
That's a serious question by the way.
That is nothing new, you can put a trace on your childs mobile phone, common place these days, its just like a GPS tracker, I see nothing wrong with this.
I have a 13 year old Grandaughter who has just started going to a under 18 Disco, and some of the tales I hear, make my hair curl. I am just glad I am not her father.
I for one think it's a good idea and would be happy for my kids to go and enjoy themselfs in a safe drink free enviroment
So far they are only proposing it in England but what do you think, should parents be prosecuted ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7429701.stm
Absolutely - parents these days seem to shrug their shoulders when it comes down to the behaviour of their kids. Underage drinking, and I don't mean 17 year olds having a sneaky few at New Year party but 12, 13, 14 year olds getting bladdered in the street or park in the evening, is a real problem and is probably a huge contributory factor in a lot of the anti-social behaviour issues faced by society today.
If parents took, or were forced to take, responsibility for the conduct of their kids away from their home, then we may see an reduction in the problems caused by some by the mere fact they are not allowed to go out!!!
Our local police ran a scheme where they wrote to parents within two weeks of removing alcohol from underage children.
Parents were asked to get in touch but very few did.
Am I the only one who sees the flaw and that many of the letters may have been picked up by the child and never seen by the parent.
As a parent if the police picked up any of mine drunk I would like them to phone me and I will come get them there and then.
I know a lot of kids who tell their folks they are babysitting or watching DVDs with friends, these are the kids who are most at risk as their parents believe them and don't check.
I know kids who have to be in by 9.30 so will start drinking earlier so they are sober when they go home.
Parents think Oh they are in at a reasonable time and don't worry. In the meantime they have been down some beach somewhere bladdered.
I think this is a good idea. My son is too young to attend the disco's, but when he is old enough, I would feel happier about him going to an event like this.
It's a sad fact that today's society is a lot different compared to the way things were when some of us were kids, and unfortunately kids do grow up a lot quicker now. They don't stay kids for long, and seem to know a lot more at their ages than other generations.
It's not ideal to be breathalysing and searching primary school children, but then, we don't live in an ideal world.
When it's time, I would rather my son be searched and breathalysed, as at least I know he is going to be safe, and in a responsible environment.
changilass
01-Jun-08, 14:23
In years gone by I would have agreed with you 100% MP, however, with kids being given various rights and the government telling you what you can and cant do with your kids, then it aint quite as easy as it once was for parents.
I'll admit there are some parents out there that need parenting classes (or even banning from having kids altogether - but that another topic altogether), but when you try enforcing boudries and kids spout back the childrens act at you there is not a lot you can do.
Grounding kids is probably against their human rights nowadays, thanks to the do gooders.
Until such time as they leave home for good then the parents have a responsibility to ensure that their kids behave in a socially acceptable manner - if that means the kids are prevented from going out then fine. As far as I am concerned they have no rights while under the control of their parents.
I curse the day that kids were ever given rights of any kind - I had no rights while growing up and I have not been affected by the lack of any such rights. I dare say the majority of members here were also brought up in as 'strict' a way and have turned into perfectly healthy and normal adults.
The time has come to revert back to dealing with kids as kids and not as mini-adults. If they do wrong then they get suitable punishment instead of society cowering in fear of being taken to court by liberal do-gooding interfering busybodies intent on enforcing "human rights"...
Lord Flasheart
01-Jun-08, 15:04
Until such time as they leave home for good then the parents have a responsibility to ensure that their kids behave in a socially acceptable manner - if that means the kids are prevented from going out then fine. As far as I am concerned they have no rights while under the control of their parents.
I curse the day that kids were ever given rights of any kind - I had no rights while growing up and I have not been affected by the lack of any such rights. I dare say the majority of members here were also brought up in as 'strict' a way and have turned into perfectly healthy and normal adults.
The time has come to revert back to dealing with kids as kids and not as mini-adults. If they do wrong then they get suitable punishment instead of society cowering in fear of being taken to court by liberal do-gooding interfering busybodies intent on enforcing "human rights"...
What he said.
Thats the most common sense I have seen in one post for a good while.
Its funny how my ex was always soft on the kids and always getting on at me for being too hard on them, now that eldest is starting to go a bit wild I have been called in to clip her wings.
I think this is a fantastic idea! It means parents dont have to worry about underage drinking for one night at least.
I think they should be searched for cigarettes too.
It might seem heavy handed at that age but believe me it would suprise you the amount of 11-14 year olds who go out & get drunk in Caithness.
I know quite a few children who have been drunk & who have also smoked cannabis in our village:eek:
Open your eyes! Can you really imagine the "utter dipsticks" who would be in charge of the policing of this!!!
No right minded person would want it. --I really cannot go on witrh this.
Until such time as they leave home for good then the parents have a responsibility to ensure that their kids behave in a socially acceptable manner - if that means the kids are prevented from going out then fine. As far as I am concerned they have no rights while under the control of their parents.
I curse the day that kids were ever given rights of any kind - I had no rights while growing up and I have not been affected by the lack of any such rights. I dare say the majority of members here were also brought up in as 'strict' a way and have turned into perfectly healthy and normal adults.
The time has come to revert back to dealing with kids as kids and not as mini-adults. If they do wrong then they get suitable punishment instead of society cowering in fear of being taken to court by liberal do-gooding interfering busybodies intent on enforcing "human rights"...
I could not have put this point better MP
Open your eyes! Can you really imagine the "utter dipsticks" who would be in charge of the policing of this!!!
No right minded person would want it. --I really cannot go on witrh this.
Which do you mean ?
Testing for alcohol at underage events or parents being accountable legally ?
Until such time as they leave home for good then the parents have a responsibility to ensure that their kids behave in a socially acceptable manner - if that means the kids are prevented from going out then fine. As far as I am concerned they have no rights while under the control of their parents.
I curse the day that kids were ever given rights of any kind - I had no rights while growing up and I have not been affected by the lack of any such rights. I dare say the majority of members here were also brought up in as 'strict' a way and have turned into perfectly healthy and normal adults.
The time has come to revert back to dealing with kids as kids and not as mini-adults. If they do wrong then they get suitable punishment instead of society cowering in fear of being taken to court by liberal do-gooding interfering busybodies intent on enforcing "human rights"...
100 per cent in agreement Children these days are not allowed or expected to be children for long far too many Mini Adults behaviour wise and dress wise from the Cradle to end of High school it appears to be dress them up give them all the latest looks and gadgets and set them on there way from the drink poll on here I can not comprehend that children of 10 are drinking but going by the stats in the poll it appears to be the case
I wish that when I was going to the High School they had breathalised me going into a disco! In a way I hope Blue Light takes off for the kids that aren't wanting to drink and wish them all the best , plus it separates the men from the boys!
Plus if there's someone in there you fancy then it might stop you from taking a drink. Good on the organisers!:)
The do gooder brigade strike again.
This is only a headline grabbing initiative. Nobody will attend these discos under such circumstances, and nor should they. Kids should not have to endure a forced interrogation in order to enjoy themselves.
What bilge!
northener
02-Jun-08, 15:43
The do gooder brigade strike again.
This is only a headline grabbing initiative. Nobody will attend these discos under such circumstances, and nor should they. Kids should not have to endure a forced interrogation in order to enjoy themselves.
What bilge!
So are you saying that you disagree with a venue being provided for young people that will be free from alcohol and drug abuse?
No. I am saying no one will attend, due to the scrutiny.
This initiative is doomed to failure.
The do gooder brigade strike again.
This is only a headline grabbing initiative. Nobody will attend these discos under such circumstances, and nor should they. Kids should not have to endure a forced interrogation in order to enjoy themselves.
What bilge!
How can ensuring children aged 12 are not drunk on your premises or at an event you are holding be classed as being a do gooder?
I can assure you that if something did happen to a child and it was later proved they were drunk, all fingers would point at the adult holding the event and they would be asked to explain why they had allowed a child under the influence of alcohol/drugs to attend.
By testing the children/young people they are not only protecting them but themselves as well.
You can ensure children are not drunk on your premises, as is your right. It is also the right of the children concerned not to attend, due to the scrutiny which they will be unfairly placed under.
These are twelve year olds we are talking about.
It's a bit like the anti-terror legislation which the government has been trying to force through without success. They use the fact there are one or two extremists in our midst to place us all under constant surveillance.
Hardly fair is it?
i like the idea of the discos.... i mean 12 year old kids shouldnt be consuming alcohol should they, i think we need to be harder on kids... especially the ones who are drinking as they make the others look bad.... if they have nothing to hide then there shouldnt be a problem
northener
02-Jun-08, 16:36
You can ensure children are not drunk on your premises, as is your right. It is also the right of the children concerned not to attend, due to the scrutiny which they will be unfairly placed under.
These are twelve year olds we are talking about.
It's a bit like the anti-terror legislation which the government has been trying to force through without success. They use the fact there are one or two extremists in our midst to place us all under constant surveillance.
Hardly fair is it?
I think you're confusing your own paranoia about a Government totalitarian state with a very real under-age drinking problem.
There are shedloads of young people drinking and getting absolutely s-faced every weekend around Britain. If you haven't seen pre-teens and young teens drinking outside, then you must be living outside any major urban development that I've visited recently.
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The Oracle
02-Jun-08, 16:55
Until such time as they leave home for good then the parents have a responsibility to ensure that their kids behave in a socially acceptable manner - if that means the kids are prevented from going out then fine. As far as I am concerned they have no rights while under the control of their parents.
I curse the day that kids were ever given rights of any kind - I had no rights while growing up and I have not been affected by the lack of any such rights. I dare say the majority of members here were also brought up in as 'strict' a way and have turned into perfectly healthy and normal adults.
The time has come to revert back to dealing with kids as kids and not as mini-adults. If they do wrong then they get suitable punishment instead of society cowering in fear of being taken to court by liberal do-gooding interfering busybodies intent on enforcing "human rights"...
The finest piece of common sense I've read on this subject on any forum!
Glad to find some others out there who see the need to bring children under proper parental control.
I've seen plenty teens drinking outside. They are hardly likely to attend the blue light disco.
This is a nonsense initiative implemented by a clueless government determined to be seen to be "tough" on underage drinking.
northener
02-Jun-08, 17:10
I've seen plenty teens drinking outside. They are hardly likely to attend the blue light disco.
This is a nonsense initiative implemented by a clueless government determined to be seen to be "tough" on underage drinking.
I'll certainly agree that this would be a politically driven initiative, usually they tend to be inept.
But. (That's a big but)
You stated "These are 12 year olds we are talking about".
Yup, They're the ones I'm talking about. So, If you don't agree with the current 'Blue light' initiative - what alternatives would you propose?
I got some info in today from my childs school about the blue lights disco and have to say I am agreeing with it. I for one would like to know if my 11 year old was trying to get in after taking alcohol. Also, come off it I know first hand that children like to sample and it only takes one to try it and plenty others will follow so its time to be realistic because kids are growing up alot faster these days and need t be kept in check more.
I dont have an alternative unfortunately.
These are age old problems we are talking about, since time began. The blue light disco is not likely to solve them. But it sounds like a good idea.
But it will crash & burn like so many other politically driven initiatives. It just suits the position of the government in the current political climate.
Any update on how the blue light disco went in Wick the other night
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