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ma grany hes a wierd idea o' what happens when ye die...:eek:
though i cana get ma heid aroond her theory, i cana believe that nothin happens....that wur just worm food :confused ats fit 'e auld chile says.
an am no sure what 'e difference is between your spirit an yer soul....?
what do YE think happens when ye die?
What is your Gran's theory then?
freepress
26-Jan-08, 19:24
trix, I think you are up to your ol' tricks again. I looked at your Profile which clearly states:
Interests:wicca, paganism, tarot, astrology, etc...If you claim to be those things then you should know the FUNDAMENTALS
of Life and Death.
There is NO Death.
We are absorbed into the universe perhaps being returned to Earth to learn more lessons [In my case spelling]
http://www.answers.com/reincarnation
reincarnation was a Christian thingy until the
Council of Nicea in June of the year 325 a.d
http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen6.html
but Ixpect you knew that too.
trix, I think you are up to your ol' tricks again. I looked at your Profile which clearly states:
Interests:wicca, paganism, tarot, astrology, etc...If you claim to be those things then you should know the FUNDAMENTALS
of Life and Death.
There is NO Death.
We are absorbed into the universe perhaps being returned to Earth to learn more lessons [In my case spelling]
http://www.answers.com/reincarnation (http://forum.caithness.org/go.php?url=http://forum.caithness.org/go.php?url=http://www.answers.com/reincarnation)
reincarnation was a Christian thingy until the
Council of Nicea in June of the year 325 a.d
http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen6.html (http://forum.caithness.org/go.php?url=http://forum.caithness.org/go.php?url=http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen6.html)
but Ixpect you knew that too.
There is no Death YET.
Therei s no Death YET.
Although it may seem like it when there are Asda/tesco posts!
freepress
26-Jan-08, 19:36
Therei s no Death YET.
Hi Gleber,
Nice to meet you at last. I note from Your Profile you are a:
Occupation:Agent provocateurProvoke away my dear old fellow.
Valerie Campbell
26-Jan-08, 19:40
No idea what happens when you die but will let you know in about 50 or 60 years time...
What happens when you die? Simple you stop breathing.
Penelope Pitstop
26-Jan-08, 20:33
Hi Gleber,
Nice to meet you at last. I note from Your Profile you are a:
Occupation:Agent provocateurProvoke away my dear old fellow.
Gleber2 ......Agent provacteur????.....you into womens lingerie????:lol: lol
Gleber2 ......Agent provacteur????.....you into womens lingerie????:lol: lol
Fail to follow your logic. Have I missed something?:)
Penelope Pitstop
26-Jan-08, 20:48
Fail to follow your logic. Have I missed something?:)
Hi Gleber2
Only joking.....just that Agent Provocateur is a manufacturer of very nice ladies underwear!!....obviously you didn't know that.:lol:lol
PP
www.agentprovocateur.com
Well the answer from me is I am no sure but I certainly won't be worm food. I intend to have my cremated remains made into a large, glorious firework!:)
Hi Gleber2
Only joking.....just that Agent Provocateur is a manufacturer of very nice ladies underwear!!....obviously you didn't know that.:lol:lol
PP
www.agentprovocateur.com (http://www.agentprovocateur.com)
How could an auld mannie know that?
Sapphire2803
26-Jan-08, 22:15
Well the answer from me is I am no sure but I certainly won't be worm food. I intend to have my cremated remains made into a large, glorious firework!:)
What a fantastic idea,although... will you be leaving an umbrella fund for the spectators (just in case) :lol:
Green_not_greed
26-Jan-08, 22:19
what do YE think happens when ye die?
I suspect blackness...and thats it. So make the most of it while your're here!
freepress
26-Jan-08, 22:34
I have just popped over to, I didnt know of its existance, and I have been around ........
www.agentprovocateur.com
Ordered a rather nice shroud for a lady friend. has red roses on it for an extra 50 bucks.
My opinion is that you must go on and do something, I don't believe you can take your final breath, shut your eyes and that's it!
Maybe you will be aware of some things for a while, like being in a coma or something.
I passionately believe that I will go on after death and it's just my body that will die, not my spirit.
gillian17
26-Jan-08, 23:09
"I am going to live forever or die trying"
Yossarrin (I can never spell that name)
Joseph Heller Catch 22
PS If there is one book you should read before you die read Catch 22 but do not under any circumstances read anything else by Joseph Heller. They make Solzhenitsyn look hilarious
I have just popped over to, I didnt know of its existance, and I have been around ........
www.agentprovocateur.com
Ordered a rather nice shroud for a lady friend. has red roses on it for an extra 50 bucks.
Such a cold heart will know no difference..
and feel free to quote my profile and any other facts you(think you) have gleaned about me..!
Why so many swastikas on your home page?
Ever been under general anisthetic... the space/time between going under and coming out is the same as being with-out life... or in short Dead!
freepress
26-Jan-08, 23:36
Such a cold heart will know no difference..
and feel free to quote my profile and any other facts you(think you) have gleaned about me..!
Why so many swastikas on your home page?
When someone dies the leave this earthly existance,
which for some people, Iraqis, earthquake victims, abortions..........etc
Is HELL on Earth.
>> Why so many swastikas on your home page?
my father fought against nazism in 1949...(?)
The European Union and the people who work for it are in MHO the embodyment of EVIL
It the swaztic is a handy symbol of evil.
northener
26-Jan-08, 23:42
It the swaztic is a handy symbol of evil.
I always thought the swastika was originally a Far Eastern good luck sign?
.
northener
26-Jan-08, 23:45
Well the answer from me is I am no sure but I certainly won't be worm food. I intend to have my cremated remains made into a large, glorious firework!:)
A friend of mine was a very keen (and well-respected) British Civil War historian. When he died, he was cremated and his ashes fired out of a cannon on the 1645 battlefield site of Naseby.
What a send-off:)
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When someone dies the leave this earthly existance,
which for some people, Iraqis, earthquake victims, abortions..........etc
Is HELL on Earth.
>> Why so many swastikas on your home page?
my father fought against nazism in 1949...(?)
The European Union and the people who work for it are in MHO the embodyment of EVIL
It the swaztic is a handy symbol of evil.
Try [evil]...MUCH less offensive!
freepress
26-Jan-08, 23:48
You are indeed an Angel.
Tell us stuff and tell Green_not_greed is greedly eating up my bandwidth with his extrordinatly large logo.
freepress
26-Jan-08, 23:50
I always thought the swastika was originally a Far Eastern good luck sign?
.
Yup but like everything else it has been stolen from its original meaning.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070730002415AAomOyj
When someone dies the leave this earthly existance,
which for some people, Iraqis, earthquake victims, abortions..........etc
Is HELL on Earth.
>> Why so many swastikas on your home page?
my father fought against nazism in 1949...(?)
The European Union and the people who work for it are in MHO the embodyment of EVIL
It the swaztic is a handy symbol of evil.
accht you are being 'ironic' with the use of the swastika then..should have said so..we'd have laughed!:roll:
shame for the folks looking into your homepage looking for the advertised ' wedding Photographer' site that was there yesterday..maybe a lucky escape though eh?;)
folks are understandably choosy about their wedding themes!
"my father fought against nazism in 1949...(?)The European Union and the people who work for it are in MHO the embodyment of EVIL It the swaztic is a handy symbol of evil."
What Nazism was that in 1949 Freepress?
My father fought against Nazism in 1939-45.. I don't think for one minute he would ever consider using the swastika as a political cause emblem - but then again maybe I'm not sophisticated
northener
27-Jan-08, 00:06
accht you are being 'ironic' with the use of the swastika then..should have said so..we'd have laughed!:roll:
shame for the folks looking into your homepage looking for the advertised ' wedding Photographer' site that was there yesterday..maybe a lucky escape though eh?;)
folks are understandably choosy about their wedding themes!
Oooh I dunno, Karia.
I can think of a few brides who would have looked better if their wedding day photies had a swastika border.
Ever been under general anisthetic... the space/time between going under and coming out is the same as being with-out life... or in short Dead!
Yes I have. No it isn't the same at all.
Yes I have. No it isn't the same at all.
The outcome is very different!
DeHaviLand
27-Jan-08, 00:24
The outcome is very different!
One hopes!
but then again maybe I'm not sophisticated
Freepress sophistication seems to consist of setting fire to flags and urinating on entities that you dislike. This particular brand of sophistication does not seem to be catching too many of the electorate though.
We have a result coming in at Dundee East:-
Dundee East
SCOTTISH NATIONAL PARTY GAIN - Stewart Hosie
The 2005 general election
Stewart Hosie, Scottish National Party 14,708
Iain Luke, Labour 14,325
Chris Bustin, Conservative 5,061
Clive Sneddon, Liberal Democrat 4,498
Harvey Duke, Scottish Socialist Party 537
Donald Low, UK Independence Party 292
David Allison, Independent 119
Spin Doctor required I think!!
I too stupidly clicked on Freepress's link, much to my regret. Personally, with the Org's target audience crossing all age groups, I do not feel it's very appropriate to have such bigoted vnonsense simply one click away.
A clever PR stunt by freepress, maybe in his opinion. I'm not surprised his Mrs told him (in her own words of course) to refrain from posting, as it's not the kind of PR that will be doing her business much good.:roll:
I'm with the wise man Yoda, there's certainly a troll of the loose in the forum.
Freepress sophistication seems to consist of setting fire to flags and urinating on entities that you dislike. This particular brand of sophistication does not seem to be catching too many of the electorate though.
We have a result coming in at Dundee East:-
Dundee East
SCOTTISH NATIONAL PARTY GAIN - Stewart Hosie
The 2005 general election
Stewart Hosie, Scottish National Party 14,708
Iain Luke, Labour 14,325
Chris Bustin, Conservative 5,061
Clive Sneddon, Liberal Democrat 4,498
Harvey Duke, Scottish Socialist Party 537
Donald Low, UK Independence Party 292
David Allison, Independent 119
Spin Doctor required I think!!
The Dundonians are not daft, they can see through charlatans , they ran Winston Churchill out of town when he stood for them[lol]
freepress
27-Jan-08, 01:03
Ta ta Folks
I Love You All
Yoda the flump
27-Jan-08, 01:05
Ta ta Folks
Finally!!!!!!
I always thought the swastika was originally a Far Eastern good luck sign?
.I think you will find that is correct. As far as I know it originated in India which I always thought made it rather a strange choice for a political dogma based on a strict Racist Ideology.
They can't have been very bright because they never seemed to realise the irony of their choice.
psyberyeti
27-Jan-08, 12:53
Well the answer from me is I am no sure but I certainly won't be worm food. I intend to have my cremated remains made into a large, glorious firework!:)
Hello Wifie, I have to agree, worm food is not for me either. I have in my will to be cremated and sprinkled from the old pier into the Kyle of Tongue. Well, I like it there. :cool:
We have today lost a very good friend. We are both heartroken. I only hope that wherever he has gone is better than this world. jan x
RIP Paul xxx
What is your Gran's theory then?
hi scorrie,
she STRONGLY believes she will hev a long long rest an then when 'e lord is ready, judgement day wil fall upon us all. we will each stand infront o' 'e lord an it be decided whether we go til heaven or hell.
heaven bein gods garden where it is all so beautiful, hell being flame an fire an enternal agony :eek:
she believes she will go til ma grandads grave an he will rise fie 'e groond and they will live happily tilgither for enternity in heaven.
it sounds so nice an as she is in crippling agony fie arthritis most o' 'e time i da lek til argue wi' her.
mind ye, she STRONGLY believes aboot adam an eve an noah an his ark :roll:
trix, I think you are up to your ol' tricks again. I looked at your Profile which clearly states:
Interests:wicca, paganism, tarot, astrology, etc...If you claim to be those things then you should know the FUNDAMENTALS
of Life and Death.
There is NO Death.
We are absorbed into the universe perhaps being returned to Earth to learn more lessons [In my case spelling]
http://www.answers.com/reincarnation (http://forum.caithness.org/go.php?url=http://www.answers.com/reincarnation)
reincarnation was a Christian thingy until the
Council of Nicea in June of the year 325 a.d
http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen6.html (http://forum.caithness.org/go.php?url=http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen6.html)
but Ixpect you knew that too.
who is this guy??? didna 'hang' aboot for long did he? - pun intented :lol:
im just curious til what ye think guys, i wis wonderin if any o' ye's came even close til ma granys theory - thank god non o' ye's did, or id be a bit worried :eek:
im readin a book by jenny cockell called past lives future lives. interesting.
an ye hear so much aboot near death experiences an clairvoyancy etc...
i da ken. maybe its a bit lek when ye turn 'e radio off. e frequency (yer energy) is still there but it isna tuned in, but its still there??? lek i said, i da ken....
but i do know that energy cana disappear, it can be created but it cana be destroyed. feel free til correct me if ye think different....
Yes I have. No it isn't the same at all.
How can you tell Scorrie if you haven't also been dead? [lol]
I think when you die, it's just an end to it all and the "material" us is recycled by mother nature.
When I die, I want to be cremated and have my ashes scattered on the living room carpet to annoy the wife. [lol]
energy dont die it just goes somewhere other that woz albert einstein theroy
Gleber2 ......Agent provacteur????.....you into womens lingerie???? lol
How could an auld mannie know that?
less o' 'e auld...
an ye never answered e question gleber ;):Razz
energy dont die it just goes somewhere other that woz albert einstein theroy
hey sphinx...i da ken einsteins theory, il bet its different til granys tho....why dont ye tell us all aboot it :Razz:lol:
How can you tell Scorrie if you haven't also been dead? [lol]
I think when you die, it's just an end to it all and the "material" us is recycled by mother nature.
When I die, I want to be cremated and have my ashes scattered on the living room carpet to annoy the wife. [lol]
When you die, your brain also dies. This does not happen when you have an operation. You cannot begin to equate the two scenarios.
When we die, we will decay into various compounds. We can "live" on in the sense that we become food for beasties and fertiliser for the soil. We can "exist" as a pile of ash in an urn or be scattered as particles in the wind. We shed dead skin every day and our hair goes down the plughole. I don't see anything different from that process and the debris we leave behind after death. The "soul" of my PC is the CPU, if it "dies" my PC ceases to "be". Does that mean that my CPU moved on to another PC and continued to exist beyond the grave?
Penelope Pitstop
27-Jan-08, 15:23
How could an auld mannie know that?
Hi Gleber2
That's what I found amusing.....the fact that you obviously DIDN'T know that....:lol: ...I know I've got a small mind and it's easily amused!! lol
You're a good sport though.:D
well in my opinion trix there is no aftelife your here for a very short time so make the most of it
dont believe in god so when people say it was meant to be or when your times up its up that all rubbish ..your born ..you live ...you die..end of you may live on in peoples hearts and minds but i dont believe there is anything else
but by all means someone can try and prove me otherwise:)
ah religons, the worlds greatest cons, as said before your born you live then you die
ah religons, the worlds greatest cons, as said before your born you live then you die
thanks for yer opinion hails but i hev til disagree wi ye....
all religion aside, we still hev wur spirit. its kwite sad too i think til believe that nothin happens, that ye just die.....
so much energy til just be gone....just be gone!! :eek:
just cause we da ken aboot it, disna mean it disna exist...ats a bit ignorant for us til think at.
perhaps there is more than one dimension til 'iss world but we, mere humans just isna programmed intil it?
wid we survive if we were? maybe eventually mankind wid stop breedin an join them all on e' ither side cos....its so good over there?? :lol:
one o lifes great mysteries that non can say for sure, but im a believer in 'e spirit world, i wid be very unhappy if i wisna...
so much energy til just be gone....just be gone!! :eek:
How much energy is that in joules? And is there any left to be in a spirit form?
How much energy is that in joules? And is there any left to be in a spirit form?
i da ken rhegheid :lol:
How much energy is that in joules? And is there any left to be in a spirit form?When I die you can burn me in a calorimeter and find out my energy value.:lol:
I guess when your dead your dead, end of story. you either get buried or cremated. a cousin of mine an alcholic died & got cremated.
hmm ,burned for four days. [joke] [lol]
http://209.85.12.234/7289/61/emo/rofl6ma.gif (javascript:emoticon(':rofl:'))
i da ken rhegheid :lol:
Isn't it reasonable to have some factual basis for your beliefs?:confused
Isn't it reasonable to have some factual basis for your beliefs?:confusedIt's called faith.
danc1ngwitch
27-Jan-08, 18:58
We all play our small part, Me i will live on in my children, and their children and so on ( I'm F imortal i tell yea )[lol] And Never mind ma spelling:roll:
How much energy is that in joules? And is there any left to be in a spirit form?
Isn't it reasonable to have some factual basis for your beliefs?:confused
ye tryin til make a fool o' me ifanow????
ye tryin til make a fool o' me ifanow????
What makes you think that? I've just asked you two reasonable questions. If you think I am trying to make a fool of you then you must have seen a way for me to do it, which suggests that you can see some folly in your beliefs.
What makes you think that? I've just asked you two reasonable questions. If you think I am trying to make a fool of you then you must have seen a way for me to do it, which suggests that you can see some folly in your beliefs.
definately!! ats why i asked 'e question....no bacause i ken 'e answer but because im interested in what ye's all think.
an i da think its a reasonable question, how could i possibly ken 'e answer til it...?
i hevna really said what i believe, only what i da believe...
hi scorrie,
she STRONGLY believes she will hev a long long rest an then when 'e lord is ready, judgement day wil fall upon us all. we will each stand infront o' 'e lord an it be decided whether we go til heaven or hell.
heaven bein gods garden where it is all so beautiful, hell being flame an fire an enternal agony :eek:
she believes she will go til ma grandads grave an he will rise fie 'e groond and they will live happily tilgither for enternity in heaven.
it sounds so nice an as she is in crippling agony fie arthritis most o' 'e time i da lek til argue wi' her.
mind ye, she STRONGLY believes aboot adam an eve an noah an his ark
Thanks for sharing your Gran's theory. The bit about the long rest first is new to me but the rest of it seems to be quite a commonly held belief i.e. being judged and then given either the up or down elevator.
I am not going to ridicule your Gran or anyone else's theory but I have to wonder what makes US, as humans, so special. We really are just another species on this planet. Our main objective is to create new life to continue survival of the species. Luckily many other possibilities are factored in to make life interesting along the way. Our society is more complex now, we have literature, arts, sports, hobbies, careers etc to occupy our lives. If you strip all that away though, we are basically trying to make a pound to keep a roof over our heads, put food in our bellies and eye up all the talent along the way ;) Women will become broody, men will want a son to play for Scotland and, before you know it, another child is brought into the world. Of course, Nature is an inexact science. Some people who want kids cannot have them, others who CAN bear children don't want to. There is Homosexuality. That is just the nature of Nature, there are genetic defects etc etc. This fact helps me to conclude that it is not the work of God or Gods. To put it frankly, I would have expected a more exact system from the Ultimate Entity. That is pretty much how I see the way we live, in it's most basic function. If we take that and then look at when we die, I would ask whether Cockroaches go to Heaven? Do Lizards go? What about Elephants or, our nearest relatives, Apes?
These creatures all share our "circle of life" so do they also have spirits that move on to another dimension after death? We know that some species become extinct over time, much of it due to our actions. If a Dodo can be reincarnated as a cat, then why have we never seen a cat re-incarnated as a Dodo? If we could clone a Dodo body, would a Dodo spirit re-enter that body? Equally, if I could clone my own body, could my spirit move from my current body into the cloned one upon my death? It sounds like nonsense to me, and I am writing it!! However, if you believe in the spirit being able to live on after the body is gone, then it must be a possibility.
I firmly believe that my soul resides in my brain. If my brain ceases to function then I am effectively dead, even though the body may be alive. My brain was created by a complex process that started when my Mum and Dad mixed the relevant parts. My brain came from there and I, as a person, came from there. Some mysterious spirit did not enter my body from another dimension when I was born and, therefore, there will be no mysterious spirit to depart from my body when I die.
That is my thinking, based on what is known and what I have experienced along the way. I put more faith in that than a book written many moons ago by persons unknown, and which has been twisted through a zillion translations and interpretations, to become the "Word of God"
If there is such a thing as reincarnation where did all the new souls come from with the population of the world having grown over thousands of years? Do some people share souls?
ywindythesecond
27-Jan-08, 22:47
Although it may seem like it when there are Asda/tesco posts!
You forgot windmills scotsboy!!
Margaret M.
28-Jan-08, 00:40
If there is such a thing as reincarnation where did all the new souls come from with the population of the world having grown over thousands of years?
Dodo birds.
Dodo birds.That would be ok if you believed that your soul could inhabit the body of an extinct bird or any other animal.
Margaret M.
28-Jan-08, 04:01
That would be ok if you believed that your soul could inhabit the body of an extinct bird or any other animal.
No, dodo birds are extinct because their souls were needed to inhabit the growing numbers of human bodies.
No, dodo birds are extinct because their souls were needed to inhabit the growing numbers of human bodies.Interesting theory Margaret. What is the ratio of dodo birds to the current population of earth that leads you to this supposition?
Lolabelle
28-Jan-08, 04:43
What happens when you die? Simple you stop breathing.
Actually, golach, I think that your heart stops, that's why essentially, everyone dies of heart failure. I know this because I am addicted to crime stories and tv. :eek:
Lolabelle
28-Jan-08, 04:45
hi scorrie,
she STRONGLY believes she will hev a long long rest an then when 'e lord is ready, judgement day wil fall upon us all. we will each stand infront o' 'e lord an it be decided whether we go til heaven or hell.
heaven bein gods garden where it is all so beautiful, hell being flame an fire an enternal agony :eek:
she believes she will go til ma grandads grave an he will rise fie 'e groond and they will live happily tilgither for enternity in heaven.
it sounds so nice an as she is in crippling agony fie arthritis most o' 'e time i da lek til argue wi' her.
mind ye, she STRONGLY believes aboot adam an eve an noah an his ark :roll:
She sounds like my kind of lady, and one who possibly believes the Bible, as I do.
Oh except the Hell bit, I think the Bible says more of an eternal death (Hades) rather than eternal damnation.
Metalattakk
28-Jan-08, 05:31
Actually, golach, I think that your heart stops, that's why essentially, everyone dies of heart failure. I know this because I am addicted to crime stories and tv. :eek:
Nope, the cause of death is always a lack of oxygen to the brain.
Nope, the cause of death is always a lack of oxygen to the brain.Have you ever suffered from brain death?
Metalattakk
28-Jan-08, 10:58
Only when reading your posts, tbh.
i have a kinda weird theory. I beleive in re-incarnation, but i also beleive in ghosts and heaven.. so i kind of think that ghost are spirits with unfinished business (a violent death etc) that they need to resolve before they can move on.
Heaven is for the very good people on earth, which there are only a few. and earth is like "hell" in some ways, in that you arent good enough to get to heaven yet, so you are re-incarnated into another being for another shot at it.
as for the scum of the eath, i like to think they are in a limbo type place for eternity.
bit of a mish mash there eh??
Lolabelle
28-Jan-08, 12:40
Nope, the cause of death is always a lack of oxygen to the brain.
Well there you go, always something to learn here on the .org. :Razz
But now I will have to write and tell Patricia Cornwell that she is wrong, that it isn't when the heart stops that a person is dead. :eek:
Only when reading your posts, tbh.I don't think my posts were ever a factor in your condition.[lol]
helenwyler
28-Jan-08, 13:11
I wish I did believe there was life after death. It would be so comforting, and take away the finality of death.
But I just can’t. I do not believe I have a spirit or a soul. What is meant by spirit and soul varies according to whether you’re talking about the Ancient Greeks, Judeo-Christianity, ‘traditional’ beliefs etc… The word spirit comes from latin spiritus meaning breath, and although there was doubtless increased respiratory activity at my conception, I believe it to be of purely biological origin.
And I will expire one day (through lack of breath to the brain, thanks MA!).
Metalattakk
28-Jan-08, 13:47
I don't think my posts were ever a factor in your condition.[lol]
Trust me, it's amazing what effects your posts have. Must be some form of osmosis, I expect.
Trust me, it's amazing what effects your posts have. Must be some form of osmosis, I expect.Mibbe ye need a tap on e' heid for at water on e' brain.:lol:
danc1ngwitch
28-Jan-08, 15:51
ye tryin til make a fool o' me ifanow????
hey hey hey, wink wink, spend no seasons wea a fool :eek: ( rule )
One things for sure when you die , you ll still get demands
for your council tax delivered to your door.
When you're dead, you're dead. You become an ex-person.
The spirit is the spark or breath of life, when you die it goes back to the source, the Creator. The soul is the whole you. When you die it ceases to exist.
That's what the Bible teaches.
Psalm 146:4 "When his spirit leaves, he returns to the earth. His thoughts end on that day."
Metalattakk
29-Jan-08, 13:00
When you're dead, you're dead. You become an ex-person.
Absolutely. You cease to be, you are bereft of life, you run down the curtain and join the choir invisible, you shuffle off this mortal coil.
Or do you just pine for the fjords?
When you're dead, you're dead. You become an ex-person.
The spirit is the spark or breath of life, when you die it goes back to the source, the Creator. The soul is the whole you. When you die it ceases to exist.
That's what the Bible teaches.
Psalm 146:4 "When his spirit leaves, he returns to the earth. His thoughts end on that day."
There is no evidence that what you say is true. It is simply a vague reference from an ancient, and vague, book.
There is no evidence that what you say is true. It is simply a vague reference from an ancient, and vague, book.
"His thoughts end on that day." That doesn't seem very vague to me. Seems quite direct and to the point. But each to his own.....
"His thoughts end on that day." That doesn't seem very vague to me. Seems quite direct and to the point. But each to his own.....
Whose thoughts? What day? It could be George Bush, whose thoughts ended the day he was born.
To be serious though, it is fairly obvious that your thoughts end when your brain dies. Therefore, the statement IS vague. It does not prove that a "spirit" seperate from the soul existed, NOR that it returns to the creator upon death.
You stated that "That's what the Bible teaches", when it clearly too vague to be anything other than a personal interpretation. There is an enormous difference between a statement that people can make what they wish of, and absolute facts that we CAN pass on via Tuition.
"Dear Bible Scribes, please do 100 lines punishment, "I MUST remember to show my working"."
Apologies I get your point now. Here you go:
Ezek 18:4
Job 34:14,15
Psalm 104:29
Eccle 12:7
Eccle 9:5
Apologies I get your point now. Here you go:
Ezek 18:4
Job 34:14,15
Psalm 104:29
Eccle 12:7
Eccle 9:5
Ah, Saveman, you are still claiming that the words of countless ancient men have to be accepted as God's word and must be true. Never mind, each to his own.
Nobody knows what happens after death therefore arguement is pointless.[evil]
Apologies I get your point now. Here you go:
Ezek 18:4
Job 34:14,15
Psalm 104:29
Eccle 12:7
Eccle 9:5
Mandy 36:24:36
What happens when you die?
The relatives fight over your estate.
What happens when you die?
The relatives fight over your estate.
Not if it needs a lot of repairs and an MOT.
We come back to the same point again and again folks on this site....why is it ok for everyone to have all sorts of views on what happens when you die, ranging from reincarnation to simply dissappearing, but as soon a someone puts forward a Christian or even religious opinion it is dismissed straight away? Can we not see that, or are we just too bigotted to accept that?
I can already hear the response to this post: yet people will still prefer to point the the perceived bigotted and narrow-mindedness of Christianity rather than recognise that their immediate dismissal of Christian views are in fact in the same vein as the accusations they make against others. Jesus said something like 'he who is without sin cast the first stone' In other words, look at the pot calling the kettle black! :)
This is there reason I haven't commented on the thread so far.
As someone in the 'dispatch business' the message that I share with anyone who asks me to bury granny, dad, mum, sister, son, daughter or who ever is that (i) God has made provision for our eternity (ii) when we die we do indeed 'die', we sleep until the return of Jesus (iii) when Jesus returns, all will be raised and required to stand before God in judgement (iv) whether the person has accepted the free gift of salvation provided by Jesus death on the cross to pay for the price of sin will determine the ultimate destination of the person.
Saveman missed out any references to the resurrection of the body, soul and spirit which is prominent in the New Testament as opposed to just the spirit which he suggested is the only part of us that lives on, but we can forgive him for that ;)
That's my tuppence for what its worth.
Ah, Saveman, you are still claiming that the words of countless ancient men have to be accepted as God's word and must be true. Never mind, each to his own.
Nobody knows what happens after death therefore arguement is pointless.[evil]
Some of those ancient writers describe God in ways that resonate for me and the experiences of God which I have had. So I trust them when they extend their thoughts into areas that I have not yet experienced. I guess that is what we call faith.
We come back to the same point again and again folks on this site....why is it ok for everyone to have all sorts of views on what happens when you die, ranging from reincarnation to simply dissappearing, but as soon a someone puts forward a Christian or even religious opinion it is dismissed straight away?
Every site you care to visit will be the same. Caithness, and its people, are not unique in this respect. The trouble is, that the Bible is/was pumped into all of us, without our choosing, from an early age. We already know what the message is and, therefore, when it is fired at us again and again and again, we grow somewhat tiresome of it. The mantra is that we are not reading it RIGHT. Trouble is, we have read and rejected the contents for what it is, i.e. dated writings, of a purely speculative origin. There is no bigotry present. Would you use a Windows 3.1 manual to guide you through Windows Vista?
Science does not have all the answers, but at least it tries to move with the times and adapt to our greater knowledge of the world around us. Religion stays back in the Dark Ages, nothing is up for change. Times move on, people move on but the Bible sits there as a book from when most people knew hee haw, moving boldly to being the same book, in an era where it is well known that most of the stuff that was in the Bible was smoke and mirrors.
Could you imagine Jesus and all of those Biblical miracles transposed to today's world, under the scruting of live TV cameras and a public who no longer believe in Dragons and Fairies? It would be pure David Blaine, without the showmanship.
Saveman will no doubt be sleeping easier tonight, knowing that you have forgiven him!!
"Jesus Wept"
When you die your brain stops functioning which renders you incapable of logging on to the org..
...in theory!;)
Every site you care to visit will be the same. Caithness, and its people, are not unique in this respect. The trouble is, that the Bible is/was pumped into all of us, without our choosing, from an early age. We already know what the message is and, therefore, when it is fired at us again and again and again, we grow somewhat tiresome of it. The mantra is that we are not reading it RIGHT. Trouble is, we have read and rejected the contents for what it is, i.e. dated writings, of a purely speculative origin. There is no bigotry present. Would you use a Windows 3.1 manual to guide you through Windows Vista?
Science does not have all the answers, but at least it tries to move with the times and adapt to our greater knowledge of the world around us. Religion stays back in the Dark Ages, nothing is up for change. Times move on, people move on but the Bible sits there as a book from when most people knew hee haw, moving boldly to being the same book, in an era where it is well known that most of the stuff that was in the Bible was smoke and mirrors.
Could you imagine Jesus and all of those Biblical miracles transposed to today's world, under the scrutiny of live TV cameras and a public who no longer believe in Dragons and Fairies? It would be pure David Blaine, without the showmanship.
Thanks for your clear and measured response. What you're still saying is that because someone bases their beliefs in historic faith based on the bible it is somehow less valid than someone who bases their beliefs on just what they think.
Whatever your views on the bible are, the main point I'm getting at here is for fair hearing. If it doesn't have at least an equal footing as other views then we have bigotry present.
I personally find people's perceptions about what they think happens after they die very interesting and tell a lot about a person. Before becoming a Christian, I've probably shared many of their views. Here is how I see the point of contributing to a conversation on this topic:
Some people are talking on areas such as heaven and hell which are Judeo-Christian beliefs. Some people, even although they may not be practising Christians themselves still hold to this view and it may just be that someone is interested in the fuller picture. Certainly, its probably more the case that they'll want to pick the nice bits. My experience as someone who spends a considerable part of his life ministering and speaking with people who have lost loved ones is that there are more people who subscribe to these Christian beliefs than not, ESPECIALLY, in this area.
In that sense, what I am doing is going to a person who has Windows Vista working on their computer with a vague sense of what it does and offering them the manual that unpacks and informs their general knowledge. The fact is that we all have to face our mortality and none of us are as confident as we like to think we are when death comes to our door.
But my main point, whether this sort of things happens or not elsewhere, surely as civilised Scots (is that an oxymoron?) we can lend an open ear to every view? What say you?
Every site you care to visit will be the same. Caithness, and its people, are not unique in this respect. The trouble is, that the Bible is/was pumped into all of us, without our choosing, from an early age. We already know what the message is and, therefore, when it is fired at us again and again and again, we grow somewhat tiresome of it. The mantra is that we are not reading it RIGHT. Trouble is, we have read and rejected the contents for what it is, i.e. dated writings, of a purely speculative origin. There is no bigotry present. Would you use a Windows 3.1 manual to guide you through Windows Vista?
Science does not have all the answers, but at least it tries to move with the times and adapt to our greater knowledge of the world around us. Religion stays back in the Dark Ages, nothing is up for change. Times move on, people move on but the Bible sits there as a book from when most people knew hee haw, moving boldly to being the same book, in an era where it is well known that most of the stuff that was in the Bible was smoke and mirrors.
Could you imagine Jesus and all of those Biblical miracles transposed to today's world, under the scruting of live TV cameras and a public who no longer believe in Dragons and Fairies? It would be pure David Blaine, without the showmanship.
Saveman will no doubt be sleeping easier tonight, knowing that you have forgiven him!!
"Jesus Wept"
scorrie, that,s a good thought out post , i for one agree with what you have just said..
What you're still saying is that because someone bases their beliefs in historic faith based on the bible it is somehow less valid than someone who bases their beliefs on just what they think.
sorry to jump in, but personally, I think the bible should not be taken at face value. I beleive most of the bible was probably lost in translation, and no doubt influenced by people, rather than actually "Gods word". I also dont believe in going to church - i am Christian, but my religion is personal
i would never say my opinion is right and that yours is wrong though, and i think most people on here are the same.
Our beliefs are partly what makes us us..but rather than dismissing others, i like to use them to challenge my own! :D
"civilised Scots" (is that an oxymoron?) you don't really think that do you Andrew?
sorry to jump in, but personally, I think the bible should not be taken at face value. I beleive most of the bible was probably lost in translation, and no doubt influenced by people, rather than actually "Gods word". I also dont believe in going to church - i am Christian, but my religion is personal
i would never say my opinion is right and that yours is wrong though, and i think most people on here are the same.
Our beliefs are partly what makes us us..but rather than dismissing others, i like to use them to challenge my own! :D
The point I am making is that whilst you don't think the bible should be taken at face value, there are many people who do, myself included.
On the subject of tranlation, the study of biblical language is as acurate as it has ever been and there are a great number of manuscripts available that are used to produce our english versions. Sure, the best way to read it is in the original, but considering the state of my ancient Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic....
Many people have different interpretations of what 'Christian' means. Its not often a term I use.
Thanks for your clear and measured response. What you're still saying is that because someone bases their beliefs in historic faith based on the bible it is somehow less valid than someone who bases their beliefs on just what they think.
Whatever your views on the bible are, the main point I'm getting at here is for fair hearing. If it doesn't have at least an equal footing as other views then we have bigotry present.
I personally find people's perceptions about what they think happens after they die very interesting and tell a lot about a person. Before becoming a Christian, I've probably shared many of their views. Here is how I see the point of contributing to a conversation on this topic:
Some people are talking on areas such as heaven and hell which are Judeo-Christian beliefs. Some people, even although they may not be practising Christians themselves still hold to this view and it may just be that someone is interested in the fuller picture. Certainly, its probably more the case that they'll want to pick the nice bits. My experience as someone who spends a considerable part of his life ministering and speaking with people who have lost loved ones is that there are more people who subscribe to these Christian beliefs than not, ESPECIALLY, in this area.
In that sense, what I am doing is going to a person who has Windows Vista working on their computer with a vague sense of what it does and offering them the manual that unpacks and informs their general knowledge. The fact is that we all have to face our mortality and none of us are as confident as we like to think we are when death comes to our door.
But my main point, whether this sort of things happens or not elsewhere, surely as civilised Scots (is that an oxymoron?) we can lend an open ear to every view? What say you?
I think everybody wants to know what happens when you "Snuff it", but nobody has ever come back to tell us. Unless you believe the stories in the story book, called the Bible. The only difference between that and Harry Potter is that a lot of people make their living promoting the stories contained within, and have done for nearly 2000 years.
My own opinion - and it is ONLY an opinion, is that when you die - you snuff it. THat is it, and over the years I have seen a good few dead bodies, and that is what they are. Dead Bodies. and all the bits have been there.
The various religious bodies do a lot of good, but they also bring a lot of war and strife with them.
I am not looking forward to Snuffing it, but it has to come, and not to far away for me, but I have enjoyed my life, especially since I saw the light, and have not had it complicated by religion.
The point I am making is that whilst you don't think the bible should be taken at face value, there are many people who do, myself included.
exaclty, thats why i said
"i would never say my opinion is right and that yours is wrong though, and i think most people on here are the same."
i would never dismiss someones opinion, just because it was different to mine, thats why a thread like this is interesting, you see so many different views on the one subject, that it has to open your eyes to other possibilities, even if you are 100% certain yours is right..
as for the term "christian" to me, its a simple as beleiving in Christ.
It is a shame that so many would just dismiss the Bible out of hand. I wonder how many Orgers have actually read the Bible?
The life principles contained within this book are stunning in their simplicity and effectiveness. As has been mentioned before, we all need a moral compass. We have to have boundaries within which we live our lives, to have no boundaries is to have an "anything goes" attitude.
Who decides what is right and what is wrong in your life? The society you live in? Your own conscience? Can you trust society to make moral judgements for you and tell you what is the most beneficial path in life to follow, for you or your children? Or maybe you rely on your own experience?
I've made too many mistakes and I've seen too many mistakes made to begin to trust in purely human judgement, even my own.
The Bible provides a guide for life. It makes clear that when we centre our lives around worship of our Creator and live our lives within his principles that we can achieve real success and happiness.
Of course we could have a whole other thread on what constitutes real success..... :)
Nobody knows what happens, it is one of life's mysteries.
We can all learn a lot from studying everything, and keeping an open mind.
I found this little bit of Bible interpretation interesting:
Why did Jesus fold the napkin? Why did Jesus fold the linen burial cloth after
His resurrection? The Gospel of John (20:7) tells us that the napkin, which was
placed over the face of Jesus, was not just thrown aside like the grave clothes.
The Bible takes an entire verse to tell us that the napkin was neatly folded and
was placed at the head of that stony coffin. "Early Sunday morning,while it was
still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and found that the stone had been
rolled away from the entrance. She ran and found Simon Peter and the other
disciple, the one whom Jesus loved. She said, 'They have taken the Lord's body
out of the tomb, and I don't know where they have put him!' "Peter and the
other disciple ran to the tomb to see. The other disciple out ran Peter and got
there first. He stooped and looked in and saw the linen cloth lying there , but
he didn't go in. Then Simon Peter arrived and went inside. He also noticed the
linen wrappings lying there, while the cloth that had covered Jesus' head was
folded up and lying to the side." Is that important? Absolutely! Is it really
significant? Yes! In order to understand the significance of the folded
napkin, you have to understand a little bit about Hebrew tradition of that
day... The folded napkin had to do with the Master and Servant, and every
Jewish boy knew this tradition. When the servant set the dinner table for the
master, he made sure that it was exactly the way the master wanted it. The table
was furnished perfectly, and then the servant would wait, just out of sight,
until the master had finished eating, and the servant would not dare touch that
table until the master was finished.
Now if the master was done eating, he would rise from the table, wipe his
fingers and mouth with that napkin and toss it onto the table. The servant would
then know to clear the table. For in those days, the wadded napkin meant, 'I'm
done.' But if the master got up from the table, and folded his napkin, and laid
it beside his plate, the servant knew that the folded napkin meant, 'I'm not
finished yet.' The folded napkin meant, 'I'm coming back!'
Maybe just a story, in a book of stories - but it is a pretty good book
danc1ngwitch
30-Jan-08, 15:05
Rubs ma eyes and giggles, and then giggles some more.
Wow, ??? Was satan cast down to earth to live among us?
Ermmmm ??? was that his punishment?
I dunno. ( throws the dog another bone )
What a punishment that is[lol]
Rubs ma eyes and giggles, and then giggles some more.
Wow, ??? Was satan cast down to earth to live among us?
Ermmmm ??? was that his punishment?
I dunno. ( throws the dog another bone )
What a punishment that is[lol]
Satan was cast down to Earth and then the human race was put there to further punish him. After all, Christ could not have been tempted by Satan and the planet laid at his feet unless it was Satan' to start off with. You can't offer some-one something as a temptation unless it is yours.[evil]
Thanks for your clear and measured response. What you're still saying is that because someone bases their beliefs in historic faith based on the bible it is somehow less valid than someone who bases their beliefs on just what they think.
The Bible has had a fair hearing. It has been with us for some time and has been thrust into our face from an early age, in my experience. I can't think of any other book that has been so aggressively forced upon readers. Even on Desert Island Discs you get the Bible and Shaky's complete works "horsed" on you with no choice in the matter. In this respect, the Bible has had more than its fair share of "airplay" over the years. I am not trying to say that people who believe in an ancient book have any less valid views. Their faith is their faith and it is an entirely personal thing. My main point concerns whether or not the Bible is the word of "The Creator". Go back a thousand years and human knowledge at the time would have been insufficient to question the notion from a scientific viewpoint. We have come an awful long way since then though, particularly in recent times. We now have knowledge of the very building blocks of life itself and we can even create our own "life" now. We know so much more than we once did, although I freely admit there is a shedload that we do not know about. I still have to think that many of the miraculous happenings mentioned in the Bible would not hold up to the scrutiny of the knowledge and tools available to us today. It can, of course, be endlessly argued that some of the Bible's contents are merely symbolic, meant something different from what it looks, were not to be taken as literal etc etc. That is most of the problem with the book for me, it is too vague and open to the interpretation of the individual. People tend to read it as they WANT it to read. There is some sound, common sense in the Bible but it is a Curate's Egg of a book in my opinion and not the perfection I would have expected had it been the work of a supreme entity.
Satan, now there,s an interesting topic, do you think he,s been here posting on the org ,perhaps. could,fd been who know,s.
so we were created in this form, we have not evolved in any way shape or form. that,s hard to believe. :confused
If there is an 'afterlife' be very afraid..because as off today..
...'Beadles About'
If there is an 'afterlife' be very afraid..because as off today..
...'Beadles About'
I admit it - this one made me laugh out loud! [lol]
If there is an 'afterlife' be very afraid..because as off today..
...'Beadles About'
aye, im sure he,d be carrying on where ever he is. good one karia. liked that.
heh heh heh.
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If there is an 'afterlife' be very afraid..because as off today..
...'Beadles About'
Jeremy Beadle gets to the pearly gates and is confronted by St Peter. The normal procedure takes place and, at the end of the process, it is narrowly decided that, because of all the silly pranks he carried out, Jeremy can't make it into Heaven. It's a close run thing, but rules are rules and Jeremy is placed next in line for the dreaded DOWN escalator. Trepidation builds to an unbearable level, Jeremy fears that his work for charity has been in vain and that he will now face eternal damnation. Beads of sweat form on his forehead, his hands start shaking and a certain nervousness grows in his gusset (fore and aft). The door slides open and the unmistakeable sound of Steps Greatest Hits wafts up from below. An ominous voice announces the words "Step forward Mr Beadle". Just as Jeremy raises a leg to take the fateful step, a cheesy Gameshowesque tune starts playing. St Peter whips a mask off to reveal that he is none other than the famous Archangel prankster Jeremy Bible!!
"Hey, had you going there Mr Beadle, there is no Hell, that's just an owld wifie's tale to keep the punters in order. Let's go backstage and have a drammie. Ladies and Gentlemen, I think you'll all agree that Jeremy was Game For A Laugh"
danc1ngwitch
31-Jan-08, 18:26
Satan, now there,s an interesting topic, do you think he,s been here posting on the org ,perhaps. could,fd been who know,s.
so we were created in this form, we have not evolved in any way shape or form. that,s hard to believe. :confused
People :rolleyes:
Jeremy Beadle gets to the pearly gates and is confronted by St Peter. The normal procedure takes place and, at the end of the process, it is narrowly decided that, because of all the silly pranks he carried out, Jeremy can't make it into Heaven. It's a close run thing, but rules are rules and Jeremy is placed next in line for the dreaded DOWN escalator. Trepidation builds to an unbearable level, Jeremy fears that his work for charity has been in vain and that he will now face eternal damnation. Beads of sweat form on his forehead, his hands start shaking and a certain nervousness grows in his gusset (fore and aft). The door slides open and the unmistakeable sound of Steps Greatest Hits wafts up from below. An ominous voice announces the words "Step forward Mr Beadle". Just as Jeremy raises a leg to take the fateful step, a cheesy Gameshowesque tune starts playing. St Peter whips a mask off to reveal that he is none other than the famous Archangel prankster Jeremy Bible!!
"Hey, had you going there Mr Beadle, there is no Hell, that's just an owld wifie's tale to keep the punters in order. Let's go backstage and have a drammie. Ladies and Gentlemen, I think you'll all agree that Jeremy was Game For A Laugh"
loved that scorrie, just made my day. i think Jeremy Beadle would have loved the irony there as well eh?:lol:[lol]
What happens when you die?
By the looks of it they don't remove your name from the dentists waiting list!:(
anneoctober
31-Jan-08, 20:58
Trix, you realise that I am now doomed ! St.Peter will be peekan roond e gate while my mam is giving me a severe ticking off - I forgot she'll be reading my posts and now both her and dad will know aboot the plasticine incident.................:eek:
Trix, you realise that I am now doomed ! St.Peter will be peekan roond e gate while my mam is giving me a severe ticking off - I forgot she'll be reading my posts and now both her and dad will know aboot the plasticine incident.................:eek:
Hi anne,
I hev it on good authority that...St Peter had a bit of a thing for plasticine..St Paul on the on the other hand...he favoured 'playdough'
Wiz that lightening that struck me?:eek:
Hope it bleached ma roots!
thanks guys for such a huge interest. guess we all want til ken fit happens eh?
ye'v given me alot o' ways of looking at DEITH an yer points of view are all relevant in ma search for 'e truth :lol:
'e wifie whos book am readin ifanow says that in her experience (!) 'e soul is recycled in a way so that when ye die, its no 'e end o' life, its a change o' life.....an when yer born its a fresh start yer faced wi, rether than a blank page...
i watched a programe on sky 'e ither nite called a skeptics view o' life efter deith. it says that all o' 'e symptoms shared in life efter dieth experiences can all be explained by e' brain an 'e chemical reaction when its lackin in oxygen ie. feelin of floating, brite lite....
so basically, am back where i started.....still nun e' wiser....
oh well, i guess we choost hev til make 'e most o' aday cos tomorrow we mite be deid....or even somebody else :lol:
oh well, i guess we choost hev til make 'e most o' aday cos tomorrow we mite be deid....or even somebody else :lol:
I find it very hard to imagine you coming back as anyone else trix!:D xx
you either get put in a posh box six foot down for the worms to get you or you end up in a posh box that gets burned and then swept into a small lidded urn that sits on the mantlepiece until it gets spilt or someone may take a fancy into getting you made into a diamond!
someone may take a fancy into getting you made into a diamond!
already am.....[lol]
danc1ngwitch
01-Feb-08, 20:12
[quote=Saveman;331535]I wonder how many Orgers have actually read the Bible?
I also wonder, how many have read the bible?
People are afraid of what they do not know nor understand.
Mention Satan and most think Beast, horrible etc.
Was he not an angel and do you not think of angels being beautiful?
Trix, blessed be... You might have known you would never have found the answer here. For if you cannot find it within you will never find it wea out. Merry part.
We come back to the same point again and again folks on this site....why is it ok for everyone to have all sorts of views on what happens when you die, ranging from reincarnation to simply dissappearing, but as soon a someone puts forward a Christian or even religious opinion it is dismissed straight away? Can we not see that, or are we just too bigotted to accept that?
I can already hear the response to this post: yet people will still prefer to point the the perceived bigoted and narrow-mindedness of Christianity rather than recognise that their immediate dismissal of Christian views are in fact in the same vein as the accusations they make against others. Jesus said something like 'he who is without sin cast the first stone' In other words, look at the pot calling the kettle black! :)
This is there reason I haven't commented on the thread so far.
As someone in the 'dispatch business' the message that I share with anyone who asks me to bury granny, dad, mum, sister, son, daughter or who ever is that (i) God has made provision for our eternity (ii) when we die we do indeed 'die', we sleep until the return of Jesus (iii) when Jesus returns, all will be raised and required to stand before God in judgement (iv) whether the person has accepted the free gift of salvation provided by Jesus death on the cross to pay for the price of sin will determine the ultimate destination of the person.
Saveman missed out any references to the resurrection of the body, soul and spirit which is prominent in the New Testament as opposed to just the spirit which he suggested is the only part of us that lives on, but we can forgive him for that ;)
That's my tuppence for what its worth.Why do you believe all of this Andrew? Were you brought up this way or did you take your own path? Are you a sheep?
Why are so many innocent children taken from us by this all mighty God?
If a child is brought up having absolutely no knowledge of religion then will "god" make himself known to them or will these children grow up completely balanced or otherwise without religions influence? Religion has caused so many deaths is it really worth it?
If a child is is brought up having absolutely no knowledge of religion then will "god" make himself known to them or will these children grow up wuite balanced without religions influence?
I would extend that question and ask:-
If a child passes away before they learn to talk, how can they even begin to understand the word of their parents, far less the word of God?
What about people who are mentally handicapped? Are they capable of learning the essential elements for their safe passage into Heaven?
There was a Chimpanzee on TV the other night who thrashed Britain's Memory Champion in a test of recalling numbers. Does that make the Chimp a candidate to enter heaven?
I would extend that question and ask:-
If a child passes away before they learn to talk, how can they even begin to understand the word of their parents, far less the word of God?
What about people who are mentally handicapped? Are they capable of learning the essential elements for their safe passage into Heaven?
There was a Chimpanzee on TV the other night who thrashed Britain's Memory Champion in a test of recalling numbers. Does that make the Chimp a candidate to enter heaven?You could have corrected my spelling mistake.;)
You could have corrected my spelling mistake.;)
No, too many people get touchy about pointing out spelling mistakes.
I would extend that question and ask:-
If a child passes away before they learn to talk, how can they even begin to understand the word of their parents, far less the word of God?
What about people who are mentally handicapped? Are they capable of learning the essential elements for their safe passage into Heaven?
There was a Chimpanzee on TV the other night who thrashed Britain's Memory Champion in a test of recalling numbers. Does that make the Chimp a candidate to enter heaven?
More lovely questions. Here is my take. If God is just at all then he is going to judge according to that persons ability to understand. Children actually have a great capacity for faith and trust. Incidentally, I've also know the privelege of encouraging those with limited mental capacity in their faith...likewise, they have a tremendous capacity for faith and can often share the most profound things about the nature of God.
I remember one particular man who has Aspergers syndrome (a form of autism) who in spite of his challenges in learning, social capacity and grasping concepts taught to him, could stand up and share profound things about God and his relationship with him.
Chimpanzees, and other animals, according to Christian teaching, are different in that they don't have souls and have no capacity to connect with God in the way that we are.
With regard to TBH's question, although my own upbringing wasn't totally devoid of some exposure to God, we were a thoroughly non-Christian family. In my opinion, God revealed himself to me. My life changed direction within instantly.
I can see further reaching implications of your question though. What about people who have never heard the gospel? Now, we in the west don't really have the excuse. But historically, there will have been people who have never heard about Jesus Christ. This problem is solved in that we all have a conscience, we know right from wrong. We are all capable in responding to that. Also, there are no native cultures that don't believe in deity. Its possible for people to respond to Jesus Christ having never heard his name. If people listen to those inner nudges then they can respond to God, I believe. We all have the capacity to come to God in honesty, whether we do or not is a different question.
I'm not asking you to believe this, just sharing what I believe from a Christian point of view in the same way that you have shared from yours.
danc1ngwitch
02-Feb-08, 18:25
[quote=TBH;332785]Why do you believe all of this Andrew? Were you brought up this way or did you take your own path? Are you a sheep?
For the slaughter:eek:
Metalattakk
02-Feb-08, 19:00
I can see further reaching implications of your question though. What about people who have never heard the gospel? Now, we in the west don't really have the excuse. But historically, there will have been people who have never heard about Jesus Christ. This problem is solved in that we all have a conscience, we know right from wrong. We are all capable in responding to that. Also, there are no native cultures that don't believe in deity. Its possible for people to respond to Jesus Christ having never heard his name. If people listen to those inner nudges then they can respond to God, I believe. We all have the capacity to come to God in honesty, whether we do or not is a different question.
I'm not asking you to believe this, just sharing what I believe from a Christian point of view in the same way that you have shared from yours.
Some branches of the Christian faith believe that God does not allow still-born children into his heaven. After all, they've not had a chance to be indoctrinated by exposed to the teachings of God.
Explain that, please?
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Saveman missed out any references to the resurrection of the body, soul and spirit which is prominent in the New Testament as opposed to just the spirit which he suggested is the only part of us that lives on, but we can forgive him for that ;)
That's my tuppence for what its worth.
I didn't say the spirit lived on. I said it is the spark of life and it goes back to the Creator. The spirit or spark of life, or breath of life doesn't contain the person's personality. Just as the electricity going into a lamp doesn't retain the properties of the lamp after it is switched off.
"His thoughts end on that day."
Chimpanzees, and other animals, according to Christian teaching, are different in that they don't have souls and have no capacity to connect with God in the way that we are.
A god has never connected with me or visa versa so that must make me a chimp, right? Not that I am complaining or owt, I am quite happy about that as I am not kidding myself on.
Just because you have not connected Rheghead, does not mean you dont have the capacity to;)
tenabowla
02-Feb-08, 19:35
To me its a nothing discussion, no point in discussion, every punter has his point of view and has little intention of "jumping the fence" !!!!!!
Just because you have not connected Rheghead, does not mean you dont have the capacity to;)
I don't have the capacity to either. I have tried and failed.
tenabowla
02-Feb-08, 19:38
I rest my case.
I don't have the capacity to either. I have tried and failed.
To connect you need to be on the same wavelength Rheghead - at the moment you are transmitting but not open to receive;)
To connect you need to be on the same wavelength Rheghead - at the moment you are transmitting but not open to receive;)
How do I know that others are receiving on the same wavelength as God and not trying to get me donate to the Church coffers each week? Either that or they are deluded? I have often asked for some confirmation that God exists but alas to no avail. A bit like ghosts or the tooth fairy if you ask me.
Perhaps it is me that is on the right wavelength by being not so gullible?:confused
How do I know that others are receiving on the same wavelength as God and not trying to get me donate to the Church coffers each week? Either that or they are deluded? I have often asked for some confirmation that God exists but alas to no avail. A bit like ghosts or the tooth fairy if you ask me.
Perhaps it is me that is on the right wavelength by being not so gullible?:confused
Others are only interference Rheggers;)
To me its a nothing discussion, no point in discussion, every punter has his point of view and has little intention of "jumping the fence" !!!!!!
No, I wouldn't say that.
If yer man God came down from his hiding place and gave the skeptical among us a demonstration of even a small part of his powers, I am sure most doubters would accept what they saw. Turn that scenario on its head and assume that science had proven to 99.99% certainty that there was NO God, I doubt whether the degree of acceptance would be anywhere near the same.
I would say that, if the very nature of our lives and the possibility of there being anything else after is a "nothing discussion", then I would hate to think what is good enough as a topic?
Any one up for "I'm a Dancing Celebrity Wife Swap Diet Victim Looking Good Naked On Ice - Special X-Factor Edition", or the rumoured latest Saturday Night program for the BBC "How To Solve a Problem Like Diarrhoea"?
HeinzGuderian
02-Feb-08, 23:01
you die !!!
Any one up for "I'm a Dancing Celebrity Wife Swap Diet Victim Looking Good Naked On Ice - Special X-Factor Edition", or the rumoured latest Saturday Night program for the BBC "How To Solve a Problem Like Diarrhoea"?
Hey scorrie can you tell me what channel those programmes are on cos they sound quite interesting!! ;) Na second thoughts there's enough drivel on the box these days i'm sure I can find something better to watch.
Well all I can say is... you don't find non-believers on a sinking ship! And this planet is sinking, problem is the majority don't want to accept it. :roll:
Lolabelle
03-Feb-08, 07:49
Some of those ancient writers describe God in ways that resonate for me and the experiences of God which I have had. So I trust them when they extend their thoughts into areas that I have not yet experienced. I guess that is what we call faith.
Amen!
Nobody knows what happens, it is one of life's mysteries.
We can all learn a lot from studying everything, and keeping an open mind.
Maybe just a story, in a book of stories - but it is a pretty good book
I wonder how many Orgers have actually read the Bible?
I have read the Bible, and continue to read it every day. It's God's living word and everyday there is something for me that is applicable to the situation. :D
You all can think what ever you like, I love the Word of God.
danc1ngwitch
03-Feb-08, 14:57
Amen!
I have read the Bible, and continue to read it every day. It's God's living word and everyday there is something for me that is applicable to the situation. :D
You all can think what ever you like, I love the Word of God.
Your a true person, and will never be knocked by others. I respect the above. x
Why do you believe all of this Andrew? Were you brought up this way or did you take your own path? Are you a sheep?
Why are so many innocent children taken from us by this all mighty God?
If a child is brought up having absolutely no knowledge of religion then will "god" make himself known to them or will these children grow up completely balanced or otherwise without religions influence? Religion has caused so many deaths is it really worth it?
I wasn't brought up to believe anything. Was never sent to church or anything as a child. As you say, its pretty much my own path in that its distinct from my family background.
I've already answered about children. God is just - I believe that because he is just then he will judge us on the knowledge we have. Yet none of us as adults in the Western world really have the excuse of not being able to find out the message of the gospel.
The religion causes deaths thing is something I agree with..religion always will cause death. Faith in Jesus Christ is not religion, its relationship. There is a fundamental difference.
Some branches of the Christian faith believe that God does not allow still-born children into his heaven. After all, they've not had a chance to be indoctrinated by exposed to the teachings of God.
Explain that, please?
I can't explain for what others believe. That though certainly doesn't fit with my understanding or the teaching of scripture really. Neither does the idea of having to get a stillborn baby baptised before they are buried. These are perversions of Christian teachings. Jesus always welcomed children into his presence, recognising that as children they had much more capacity for faith than the likes of you and I.
I didn't say the spirit lived on. I said it is the spark of life and it goes back to the Creator. The spirit or spark of life, or breath of life doesn't contain the person's personality. Just as the electricity going into a lamp doesn't retain the properties of the lamp after it is switched off.
"His thoughts end on that day."
My apologies.
A god has never connected with me or visa versa so that must make me a chimp, right? Not that I am complaining or owt, I am quite happy about that as I am not kidding myself on.
There is a school of thought that says we're descended from the monkeys...I don't believe it though lol As someone else said, its about capacity. You have the capacity to meet with God and there are probably lots of times when you have in some way. The bible teaches that before we have faith that our spirit (the part of us that connects with God) lays dormant. Its through seeking and inviting that we begin to connect. That was certainly my experience. Having no 'background' in God I just had a strong sense that there was more than what I had.
Thanks for all the comments and discussion. I find it very interesting.
I wasn't brought up to believe anything. Was never sent to church or anything as a child. As you say, its pretty much my own path in that its distinct from my family background.You have followed your own path and I respect you for that, each to their own.
I've already answered about children. God is just - I believe that because he is just then he will judge us on the knowledge we have. Yet none of us as adults in the Western world really have the excuse of not being able to find out the message of the gospel.So if I live my life by a high moral standard then I will not be judged unkindly by your god? I didn't need to teach my children about God but rather give them a moral code to live by and pass on to their children.
The religion causes deaths thing is something I agree with..religion always will cause death. Faith in Jesus Christ is not religion, its relationship. There is a fundamental difference.
You're a fundamentalist?
There is a school of thought that says we're descended from the monkeys...I don't believe it though lol As someone else said, its about capacity. You have the capacity to meet with God and there are probably lots of times when you have in some way.
I have seen any evidence that anyone has the capacity to meet with God. I haven't seen any evidence that chimps can or can't meet with God. Therefore there is nothing special about humans with being able to meet with God. Moreover it suggests God doesn't exist if there is nothing to prove it.
There is heaps of evidence that suggest that humans descended from a common ancestor with monkeys. So on balance of probability, the God theory sounds a load of rubbish to me.
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There is heaps of evidence that suggest that humans descended from a common ancestor with monkeys. So on balance of probability, the God theory sounds a load of rubbish to me.
Hmmm, not all scientists would agree with you Rheghead.
I wonder why this debate is still raging in the scientific community? If there is so much evidence why is it still called a theory, at what point does the evidence make it a fact? If this evidence is as black and white as you say, why do some people smarter than you or I disagree with it?
I hope this discussion isn't going to lead to multiple universes again.....
You have followed your own path and I respect you for that, each to their own.
So if I live my life by a high moral standard then I will not be judged unkindly by your god? I didn't need to teach my children about God but rather give them a moral code to live by and pass on to their children.
You're a fundamentalist?
If you've managed to keep God's law perfectly (the basis of which is the Ten Commandments) then your probably the most perfect person who's ever lived second to Jesus. If we've broken God's law then we will be judged as lawbreakers. If you do the crime, you do the time if you like. The point of the gospel is that even as lawbreakers, God provided a way for us to escape the penalty for breaking his law, death. If we repent (that is turn away from all that we know is wrong), and trust that Jesus death was enough to pay the fine that we owe for breaking God's law, then God is willing to accept that payment. He then sends Holy Spirit to bring our spirit to life (the bit we communicate with God with), giving us new desires and a fresh perspective.
There is a difference between good morals and the kind of morality that God wants before he'll let us into heaven. To use a wee illustration: if you see a sheep in a green field, the sheep looks pretty white. But, if like yesterday, you see a sheep against white snow, the sheep looks filthy. By our own standards we are often pretty good people, but God's looking for more than that.
In accepting Jesus payment it basically means that his righteousness becomes ours....there is nothing we can do that will make a difference. Hope that makes sense.
Fundamentalist? Well to so many people its a swear word, its not one I'd use myself. However, the word basically means someone who hold to the basics of a particlar belief. In that regard I am a fundamentalist. The Salvation Army...putting the 'fun' back into fundamentalism! :)
I have seen any evidence that anyone has the capacity to meet with God. I haven't seen any evidence that chimps can or can't meet with God. Therefore there is nothing special about humans with being able to meet with God. Moreover it suggests God doesn't exist if there is nothing to prove it.
There is heaps of evidence that suggest that humans descended from a common ancestor with monkeys. So on balance of probability, the God theory sounds a load of rubbish to me.
Heard it all before Rheghead. But I'd still like to point out again that there are some serious problems with evolutionary theory...its not a closed book by any means. I'm just about as willing to accept the patchy case of evolution of human beings as you are willing to take on the 3 billion Christians testimony throughout the world as evidence of God. This isn't even taking into consideration the adherents to other religions, who claim to have experience of God in their own faith.
Its probably an area we're going to have to agree to disagree.
But as a scientist Rheghead you do your self no justice by ridiculing something because you have not yet seen the evidence. You say that there is “heaps” of evidence that SUGGESTS humans descended from a common ancestor – I take it you mean that there is evidence that SUGGESTS all life forms descended from a common ancestor. The fact is that there is no proof (sic) that it has.
The problem is Rheghead that your mind is closed to religion, so it makes no difference if you believe or not. You are like the “scientist” who discovered the isolated polonium halos and decreed that this was a sign that the Earth was younger than originally thought, and hence proved the creationist theory – he had already decided the outcome he wanted.
But as a scientist Rheghead you do your self no justice by ridiculing something because you have not yet seen the evidence. You say that there is “heaps” of evidence that SUGGESTS humans descended from a common ancestor – I take it you mean that there is evidence that SUGGESTS all life forms descended from a common ancestor. The fact is that there is no proof (sic) that it has.
The problem is Rheghead that your mind is closed to religion, so it makes no difference if you believe or not. You are like the “scientist” who discovered the isolated polonium halos and decreed that this was a sign that the Earth was younger than originally thought, and hence proved the creationist theory – he had already decided the outcome he wanted.
Totally on the contrary, I am sorry for giving that impression to you. I am open to the suggestion of a god, but purely on a hypothesis level. I do not subscribe to there being a God based on the evidence available.
Totally on the contrary, I am sorry for giving that impression to you. I am open to the suggestion of a god, but purely on a hypothesis level. I do not subscribe to there being a God based on the evidence available.
Can't argue with that Rheggers...........although some would say a beautiful sunrise is evidence enough;)
Heard it all before Rheghead. But I'd still like to point out again that there are some serious problems with evolutionary theory...its not a closed book by any means. I'm just about as willing to accept the patchy case of evolution of human beings as you are willing to take on the 3 billion Christians testimony throughout the world as evidence of God. This isn't even taking into consideration the adherents to other religions, who claim to have experience of God in their own faith.
Its probably an area we're going to have to agree to disagree.
Can you give any examples of the problems with evolution please?
Can you give any evidence that those 3 billion experiences are just a matter of delusion brought on by euphoric states (like drugs and hynosis etc) and not religious experiences?
Anyone else have a problem with the word religion in terms of "religous experiences" - for me religion is man made, surely what people would experience would be spiritual experiences...........or is there a better word?
Can't argue with that Rheggers...........although some would say a beautiful sunrise is evidence enough;)
In a sort of way, we agree, because if energy is God, or the Universe, then deity and the physical world are inextricable except if you introduce a judeo-Christian deity which has some form of conciousness. It is the godly conciousness that I have problems with.:D
Andrew: "I'm just about as willing to accept the patchy case of evolution of human beings as you are willing to take on the 3 billion Christians testimony throughout the world as evidence of God. This isn't even taking into consideration the adherents to other religions, who claim to have experience of God in their own faith."
Think you're a bit out there Andrew, interesting to note that 'Christianity' is the only one that's dropping, wonder where they are all going? *
Christianity; 2,036 million (32% of world) and dropping
Islam; 1,226 million 19% and growing
Hinduism 828 million 13% and stable
Chinese Folk religion 390 million 6%
Buddhism 364 million 6% and staple
Seeing that the population of the Earth as July 2007 (est.) was 6,602,224,175 - there's a lot of folks out there who don't follow your mantra..
Bottom line: The initial thread of "what happens when we die?" must be answered with 'nobody really knows'.
I suppose I'm not 'into' religion, but I do know that my brother who died from leukaemia at a few months old was initially forbidden to be buried in the churchyard (CofE) because he had not been babtised..
But then if all these folks believe, I must be wrong? hmm I think I will decide that one!
*http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm
danc1ngwitch
03-Feb-08, 19:22
Anyone else have a problem with the word religion in terms of "religous experiences" - for me religion is man made,
Ah, there man made, and therefore if some one who does not beleive in god was to have a loved one on near death, they would prey ( man made ). Surely everyone needs someone and if that is God then so be it.
Can you give any examples of the problems with evolution please?
Can you give any evidence that those 3 billion experiences are just a matter of delusion brought on by euphoric states (like drugs and hynosis etc) and not religious experiences?
1. Missing links in the chain all the way.
2. I'm not given to ephoria lol
Andrew: "I'm just about as willing to accept the patchy case of evolution of human beings as you are willing to take on the 3 billion Christians testimony throughout the world as evidence of God. This isn't even taking into consideration the adherents to other religions, who claim to have experience of God in their own faith."
Think you're a bit out there Andrew, interesting to note that 'Christianity' is the only one that's dropping, wonder where they are all going? *
Christianity; 2,036 million (32% of world) and dropping
Islam; 1,226 million 19% and growing
Hinduism 828 million 13% and stable
Chinese Folk religion 390 million 6%
Buddhism 364 million 6% and staple
Seeing that the population of the Earth as July 2007 (est.) was 6,602,224,175 - there's a lot of folks out there who don't follow your mantra..
Bottom line: The initial thread of "what happens when we die?" must be answered with 'nobody really knows'.
I suppose I'm not 'into' religion, but I do know that my brother who died from leukaemia at a few months old was initially forbidden to be buried in the churchyard (CofE) because he had not been babtised..
But then if all these folks believe, I must be wrong? hmm I think I will decide that one!
*http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm (http://forum.caithness.org/go.php?url=http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm)
Interestingly, I had it in my mind to point out that there are lots of people who have religious experiences, albeit that they don't necessarily believe in Jesus. Jews and Muslims would be amongst those who base their faith on the God revealed in the bible. It supports the existance of God rather than disproves it.
I think you've received terrible treatment in the case of your brother and that kind of thing is silly politics which cause pain. There is no excuse for it.
The bottom line, from my point of view, as to what happens when you die is what it says in the bible.
1. Missing links in the chain all the way.
2. I'm not given to ephoria lol
1. Everytime we find the missing link in the chain, 2 new extra missing links are created which is exactly what the proponents of evolution expect.
2. If you aren't subject to euphoria when you are connected to your God, then there is something seriously wrong with your religious experience.;)
1. Everytime we find the missing link in the chain, 2 new extra missing links are created which is exactly what the proponents of evolution expect.
2. If you aren't subject to euphoria when you are connected to your God, then there is something seriously wrong with your religious experience.;)I much preferred the Jimi Hendix Experience.
1. Everytime we find the missing link in the chain, 2 new extra missing links are created which is exactly what the proponents of evolution expect.
2. If you aren't subject to euphoria when you are connected to your God, then there is something seriously wrong with your religious experience.;)
Yes, but your use of the word euphoria suggests something superficial and ungrounded. ;)
Lolabelle
04-Feb-08, 07:09
"A man with an experience is not subject to a man with an opinion"
Christianity; 2,036 million (32% of world) and dropping
Islam; 1,226 million 19% and growing
Hinduism 828 million 13% and stable
Chinese Folk religion 390 million 6%
Buddhism 364 million 6% and staple
Seeing that the population of the Earth as July 2007 (est.) was 6,602,224,175 - there's a lot of folks out there who don't follow your mantra..
Well, those figures cover a good three quarters of the World Population and then there are numerous other smaller religions you have not included. Sikh, Shinto, Confucian, Taoist, and that is without moving out of South East Asia.
Contrary to what you imply, the vast majority of the World’s Population have Religious Beliefs in one form or another, even in States where risking admitting such things is a very dangerous, or even deadly pastime.
Throughout the World those who profess to have no Religious Belief System at all are indeed only a small minority.
Someone mentioned the swastika, and it's origins, *quite interesting really as we used it once 500 years ago!
The symbol is pretty much universal throughout the world. It is found in such diverse cultures as:
India
China
Japan
Tibet
Egypt
Ancient Crete
Ancient Troy (level of excavation unknown)
Ancient Scotland (Picts)
Tennessee and Ohio Indian burial mounds (Hopewell mound)
Kickapoo Indians
Pottawatomie Indians
Hopi Indians
Zuni Indians
Plains Indians
Old Norse
Maya and Aztec
Buddhist
pre-Hejira Arabs
seen on a quilt pattern (age and pattern name unknown)
a variant with only three arms is used on the Isle of Man, and
is known as a "triskeleon." It is usually represented as
three -legs-, and thus suggests the act of running.
found in the Catacombs: see "Crux Dissimulata"
a coin of Ethelred of Northumbria (9th cent.)
embroidered on Christian vestments (8th and 9th cent)
English heraldry: CHAMBERLAYNE (Argent, a chevron between three
fylfots gules) circa 1394 CE.
German heraldry: VON TALE (Ecartele en equerre de gueules et d'argent)
(date unknown) (English blazon: Per fylfot gules and
argent) "Equerre" refers to the carpenter's square,
and may be a clue as to the usage of it by the early
Christians, due to Joseph's occupation as a carpenter.
NSDAP (Nazi Party) (Gules, on a roundel argent a
fylfot reversed in bend sable) circa 1920 -
1945 CE
note: many other combinations of designs were
used by the NSDAP, usually combining
gules, sable and argent.
*http://www.skepticfiles.org/rumor/swastick.htm (http://www.skepticfiles.org/rumor/swastick.htm)
Jaws: "Well, those figures cover a good three quarters of the World Population and then there are numerous other smaller religions you have not included. Sikh, Shinto, Confucian, Taoist, and that is without moving out of South East Asia. Contrary to what you imply, the vast majority of the World’s Population have Religious Beliefs in one form or another, even in States where risking admitting such things is a very dangerous, or even deadly pastime. Throughout the World those who profess to have no Religious Belief System at all are indeed only a small minority."
Well I did say: 'But then if all these folks believe, I must be wrong? hmm I think I will decide that one!' each to his/her own.. and yes the world has many many thousands of beliefs - does that mean I have to follow?
well cant read all replies but i have an answer....we rot.or we burn...We go no further and thats that.....
danc1ngwitch
04-Feb-08, 18:20
well cant read all replies but i have an answer....we rot.or we burn...We go no further and thats that.....
u annoy ppl god gave u that gift :eek: he just guna let u burn or rot bad bad bad god[lol]
u annoy ppl god gave u that gift :eek: he just guna let u burn or rot bad bad bad god[lol]
I know god gave me this gift but he did not say i had to use it...I have not been a saint all my life and i aint always be bad.It can go either way with me but burning sounds better. Dont think i would like to rot...Oh by the way is there a GOD...
Anyone else have a problem with the word religion in terms of "religous experiences" - for me religion is man made, surely what people would experience would be spiritual experiences...........or is there a better word?
what a brilliant thing til say - well done scotsboy ;)
....we rot.or we burn...We go no further and thats that.....
how sad justine....:(
danc1ngwitch
05-Feb-08, 14:46
...Oh by the way is there a GOD...
I think there is something, everyone to their own.
If you ask me is there a God in the heavens? ( people beleive so i am in no position to tell them they are wrong. )
Individuality is a wonderful thing, good and evil in us all. x
I think there is something, everyone to their own.
If you ask me is there a God in the heavens? ( people beleive so i am in no position to tell them they are wrong. )
Individuality is a wonderful thing, good and evil in us all. x
So then why does hs insist on giving us deseases, deaths and the likes...What lesson do we learn when people are killing others in the name of religion...I am not an athiest or anything but i dont think that we can expect all to believe in him/her...As for me well i cant really say what happens when we go as i have not experienced it.My brain tells me logically that we go into the ground and rot and we turn to ashes if we are cremated.The sould if it exists, well thats anyones guess...
what a brilliant thing til say - well done scotsboy ;)
how sad justine....:(
Why is it sad. Having no illusions of going up to heaven to be with my past relatives. If we all thought that then why do we visit the graves of the dead and talk to them, If they were up in heaven they would hear us no matter what....
Well, those figures cover a good three quarters of the World Population and then there are numerous other smaller religions you have not included. Sikh, Shinto, Confucian, Taoist, and that is without moving out of South East Asia.
Contrary to what you imply, the vast majority of the World’s Population have Religious Beliefs in one form or another, even in States where risking admitting such things is a very dangerous, or even deadly pastime.
Throughout the World those who profess to have no Religious Belief System at all are indeed only a small minority.
Most of the world follow a religion of one sort or another. I would have to observe that it is not very well followed in many cases. How many TRULY believe and actually live their lives practicing what is preached? Is there any evidence that the human race is any better off because of all the "beliefs" that are held? We hardly seem to be living in a harmonious world. If nobody believed in ANY religion, we would at least be united by that fact. As it is, there is hatred of other religions and, with that, other people.
danc1ngwitch
05-Feb-08, 15:47
So then why does hs insist on giving us deseases, deaths and the likes...What lesson do we learn when people are killing others in the name of religion...I am not an athiest or anything but i dont think that we can expect all to believe in him/her...As for me well i cant really say what happens when we go as i have not experienced it.My brain tells me logically that we go into the ground and rot and we turn to ashes if we are cremated.The sould if it exists, well thats anyones guess...
i am to my own, i am not defending god, btw which one r u accually talkin about??? as 4 downing all others beleives... no, i won't do it. x
The Soul, i like to think i still have mine, havena sold yet, but if u care to look on ebay[lol]
i am to my own, i am not defending god, btw which one r u accually talkin about??? as 4 downing all others beleives... no, i won't do it. x
The Soul, i like to think i still have mine, havena sold yet, but if u care to look on ebay[lol]
Oh no now you trying to tell me there is more than one god:eek:.This is getting confusing..I will look on ebay, i might get a bargain...as for my soul, it is deep in me and not ready to leave...
just been reading over all the postings on this thread and have found it all so Interesting one question be it Crematorium or Interment wherever one chooses why is it we call on the services of the local Minister, Padre , Priest etc the list is endless to say a few words is it for the departed or does it bring comfort to the people who are left behind ?
Ax
oldmarine
11-Feb-08, 04:31
What happens when you die? Simple you stop breathing.
Sounds correct to me.
Tubthumper
11-Feb-08, 22:08
If I die when I get old
I'm sure I wish to be
Filleted, deboned and then
Dropped into the North Sea
A feast for little fishes who
At Scrabster pier might linger
And Cod have me reincarnated
As a fine Bird's-Eye fish finger
Depends how naughty you have been trix. Better start behaving. Its the difference between a tent and the Hilton. Did you know about the panel of adjudicators. Thev'e been taking notes for a long time and they may have a few questions before they let you through the terminal building.
When you see the pearly gates your nearly there depending on who the gate keeper is. Once in you can really start singing kid. Its Heaven alright
just been reading over all the postings on this thread and have found it all so Interesting one question be it Crematorium or Interment wherever one chooses why is it we call on the services of the local Minister, Padre , Priest etc the list is endless to say a few words is it for the departed or does it bring comfort to the people who are left behind ?
Ax
My Sister died just over a year ago. She specifically asked for no religious content in her service. The proceedings were conducted by the Humanist representative Alan Smurthwaite. The service was all about my Sister's life. It was her favourite music that was played, the passages were about the things in life that gave her pleasure and pride. It was very personal and, in my opinion, much better than the religious services I have attended. I was at one religious service recently where the departed woman's name was not mentioned until two thirds of the way through the service. It came out very much as just another service rolled off the production line.
There will be no religious input at my funeral. There might be Genesis or REM playing, hopefully both. They can have any organs they want, eyes and all. I would love the idea of someone using my heart, eyes etc after I have gone.
lassieinfife
11-Feb-08, 22:45
Don't really do religion, don't want any minister saying something bout me ... rather my family do as they are the ones who know me best next to me... wont be worm fodder my wish is to be cremated and go out in a puff of lilac smoke, with balloons and happy music:lol:
My OH and bestest pals are under instruction to wheel my remains to an appropriate spot and have a darned good BBQ...
..always liked to be in the midst of things!;)
My OH and bestest pals are under instruction to wheel my remains to an appropriate spot and have a darned good BBQ...
..always liked to be in the midst of things!;)Will they be having a few beers whilst they are chowing down on you?
Mmm !!! my question was why is it the Norm for us to call on the minister etc as is the case in a lot of parishes in the north be they church goers or not
I agree with Scorrie sometimes although not in my experience(thank goodness ) the deceased is never mentioned by name it is just a production line at the crem or cemetery and the local preacher takes his fees having never known that person
I attended a funeral for a very dear friend a humanist ceremony a very young person sorry just left me cold but it was her wish and carried out as to her instructions sent a balloon off though flying over Balmedie !!!
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