horse racing

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anyone interested in horse racing??

i have an ex racehorse who is in her twilight years and have recently been looking up her history and breeding....quite interesting..... her father was bought for 1,200 gns as a yearling and as an underdog went on to come 2nd place in the derby in 1983, he sired 611 foals so my mare has 610 half brothers and sisters at least depending on her mother who I couldn't find out much about.....thats quite amazing...... myu mare Dottie raced under a Mrs Susan Bradbourne in Fife, im hoping to contact her to see if she has any old pictures of my mare in action......... exciting or what!!!

[Torvaig]

Good luck in tracking down some pictures and remember to post them on the org so we can all see your horse in action! :)

[Max]

Really exciting keep us posted!

[scorrie]

anyone interested in horse racing??

i have an ex racehorse who is in her twilight years and have recently been looking up her history and breeding....quite interesting..... her father was bought for 1,200 gns as a yearling and as an underdog went on to come 2nd place in the derby in 1983, he sired 611 foals so my mare has 610 half brothers and sisters at least depending on her mother who I couldn't find out much about.....thats quite amazing...... myu mare Dottie raced under a Mrs Susan Bradbourne in Fife, im hoping to contact her to see if she has any old pictures of my mare in action......... exciting or what!!!

Hi, I follow horse racing quite a bit. I can remember Carlingford Castle, as I had a bet on Teenoso in the same Derby.

I think the trainer you are looking for is Mark Bradburne's mother Sue. Mark is a jump jockey and I recall that he has placed in the Grand National on Lord Atterbury.

Anyway, I found Mrs Bradburne's website:-

http://www.susanbradburne.co.uk/

You should be able to contact her from there. Hope it helps you and good luck in finding out more about your horse.

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cheers scorrie - i e-mailed her from her website on Sunday so im hoping to hear back..... ive attached a pic of her as a 19 year old after having hacked around the Bennachie range in ABERDEENSHIRE for about 3 and a half hours on a Saturday afternoon last February.... top of the world....

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3773/dottiesweaty2ua7.th.jpg (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dottiesweaty2ua7.jpg)

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out of interest scorrie here are the results of my mare racing - not so great - she as bred one foal though herself who now events to a high level im led to believe!!! DO you know anything about the breeder Nicky Sullivan ???

LA DOUTELLE 20-y-o (14 May 1987) b m
Current Owner: J G Bradburne
Carlingford Castle - Red-Leria (Red Regent(10.0f))
Current Trainer: Mrs S C Bradburne
Breeder: Nicky Sullivan

DATE RACE CONDITIONS RACE OUTCOME JOCKEY OR TS PM
13Jan95 Mus 20Gd F NvHcHHdl,2K 7/15 14L, Alaskan Heir[25/1] 9-11 Mr R M Murphy 63 48 57

10Oct94 Crl 21Gd ClHHdl,1K 3/7 16½L, Souson[100/1] 9-13 A Watt — 34 61

21Sep94 Per 25Gd NvClHHdl,2K 5/10 39L, Red Tempest[66/1] 9-10 A Watt — 24 —

03Feb94 Mus 24Gd NvChCh,2K F/9 , Mr Tittle Tattle[66/1] 10-8 P Williams — — —
03Jan94 Ayr 16GS NvHHdl,2K 15/19 89L, Devilry[200/1] 11-0 Mr J Bradburne — 17 —

11Dec93 Mus 24GF MdHHdl,1K 9/9 72L, Major Bell[50/1] 10-9 Mr J Bradburne — 53 —

13Nov93 Ayr 16Gd 4-6yNHFNHF,1K 12/16 80L, The Grey Monk[50/1] 10-9 P Williams — — —

Details of horses trained outside GB and Ireland or born prior to 1986 may be incomplete.

[DeHaviLand]

out of interest scorrie here are the results of my mare racing - not so great - she as bred one foal though herself who now events to a high level im led to believe!!! DO you know anything about the breeder Nicky Sullivan ???

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Very interesting race results!! How many legs did you say she had?:confused

[Bakerbhoy]

Hi

I have an ex race horse although he is still a baby, he is only 6. I can see why he is an ex race horse as he does nothing in a rush and I mean nothing hahaha. He was only on the track twice and apparently he did really well in his first start but got wise to it for the second and didn't do so well. He is very sweet and laid back about life in general. Your horse looks lovely

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6. y.o ex racehorse that doesnt do anything in a rush - wow.,....mine is 20 and only has one state of mind and thats flat out....she just wants to go all the time....lots of fun!!

[horseman]

My boss breeds them,an one of his mares after winning a class A went to america,just come back this month an in foal to a top irish stallion-he says he is going to buy her back-but i know his wife will slap an divorce him if he doe's:)

[scorrie]

out of interest scorrie here are the results of my mare racing - not so great - she as bred one foal though herself who now events to a high level im led to believe!!! DO you know anything about the breeder Nicky Sullivan ???

LA DOUTELLE 20-y-o (14 May 1987) b m
Current Owner: J G Bradburne
Carlingford Castle - Red-Leria (Red Regent(10.0f))
Current Trainer: Mrs S C Bradburne
Breeder: Nicky Sullivan



I can't say I have heard of the breeder. I did find another horse out of the same Dam as yours though. He was a gelding called First Instance and if you go to the link and enter his name in the database search, you should get a link to his breeding and racing career details.

http://www.irish-racing.com/v4index.htm


I note that he won 3 races, so not a bad nag!!

Good luck in finding out more about your horse.

[paris]

My Grandad many yrs ago was a jokey for the arga karn ( dont know if spelling is right. I emailed the jockey club but got no return email so then i emailed the A.K stables in Ireland and Paris. Got no reply there either. He was a jokey in the 20s/30s and wore the brown and green silks of the A.K team. jan x
Beautiful horse by the way , I had an x hunter who used to bolt everywhere hence i fell of many times and hubby said "thats it your not going on him anymore " so we sold him before i ended up in a wheelchair. jan x

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Dottie my lovely mare as discussed in this thread and as pictured above passed away yesterday. A very sad day but she left the world with all her dignity in tact and a sparkle in her eye. Heartbroken but she's at peace.

[paris]

KEEP_ON_TRUCKIN Im so so very sorry about your sad loss and at christmas as well, i do know how you must be feeling as ive been there myself. Just remember all the good times and have a smile to think shes running free with all the other horses that have passed and now live in a warm and green pasture. I bet shes having the time of her life. My heart goes out to you . jan x

[porshiepoo]

So sorry to hear your horse has passed on, it's never easy.
I was just going to answer your first posting when I saw your latest update on your horses passing.

Although I'm not "into" horse racing anymore, I used to work at a racing stables in Nottingham for a guy called Owen Brennan. Have to say that it was the most back breaking work I've ever done. I was used to working with horses but exercising horses in a saddle with stirrups so short that your knees were round your ears was really not comfortable. And the sensation of standing up so high in the saddle took some getting used to but the killer was the strain it put on my back - I suffer with back problems even now.

[unicorn]

I am so sorry to hear of your loss I hope this poem helps

Rainbow Bridge

Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.

When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge.
There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together.
There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.

All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by.
The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.

They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent; His eager body quivers. Suddenly he begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, his legs carrying him faster and faster.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together....

Author unknown...

[Poppy_88]

Hi there

Sorry to hear of the loss of your mare. It's awful when any pet dies, i know i was devastated when i lost my mare a few years back.

Did Dottie by any chance have a filly foal about 10 years ago? I had a horse for 3 years, her original name was Lorna but it was changed to Tia Maria by the time she came to me. I believe her mother was a horse called Dottie? Perhaps not the same one, but there are a lot of similarities between them, looking at your photo. I outgrew her when i was 17, and sold her to a lovely lady who now competes successfully in Endurance riding, in Fife.

Caroline

[scorrie]

That is a shame. A couple of hurdlers I have followed for years (Detroit City and Macs Joy) died in races these past couple of months. It must be many times worse when it is your own horse. Hope you can cherish the memories once the pain lessens. All the best.

[horseman]

Dottie my lovely mare as discussed in this thread and as pictured above passed away yesterday. A very sad day but she left the world with all her dignity in tact and a sparkle in her eye. Heartbroken but she's at peace.

How absolutely awful for you trucks-you sound on top of it thou' my daughter took her mare for a scan in newmarket an was told she had to be put down,there an then-
Mega bad time. She was her baby-
Took a lot of 'horse of the year' shows to get her by that.

[Loch not Lock]

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aye she wasn't the best of racers but her father in himself was a great horse - carlingford castle......devastated at the loss of her and she was such a character and despite her age just wanted to go go go all the time, had been doing a bit of working hunter jumping latterly at the yard we were on in Dingwall, not very big and not very collected, she took them like steeple chasing - great fun!!

Thanks for the sympathy :-) In perspective there are so many people missing their loved ones at this time of year at least I had the opportunity to say my goodbyes and make the decision for the best - trying to spare a thought for those friends/family/ loved ones that are suffering at this time of year.... Hope everyone has a lovely Christmas xxxx

[Max]

I have been meaning to reply to this for ages. I'm sorry to hear of your loss. I also have an ex-racehorse - he is 15 and has an old injury, however he can be happily riddden, he loves jumping and is a thorougly nice person! A lot to be said for ex-racehorses I think - she was lucky to have such a happy home after her racing days - you'll have loads of fond memories too! Have a good Christmas :)

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thats for your reply max - i see you have a horse for sale just now too :-)

just for those of you who were interested in the racing part of the thread I noticed this interesting article on blood lines in the p & j ......

How 10% of success can be determined by breeding and 90% is by the way they are brought up/trained/handled/ looked after..... here here I say to all those horse lovers......

WEll i have pasted it here as the link wouldn't work......

DON'T BET ON BREEDING
Date : 16.01.08

Every thoroughbred racehorse in the world is descended from one of three stallions imported to England from Arabia and north Africa at the beginning of the 18th century.

Over the intervening centuries, horse breeders have endeavoured to mate their strongest and fastest animals to produce even more powerful progeny, capable not only of winning prizemoney but perhaps more importantly, considerably enhancing their value through stud fees.

When Galileo, owned by Ireland's Coolmore Stud, won the English and Irish derbys and the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Diamond Stakes in 2001, he ended his career with £1.6million in prizemoney.

However, he can generate up to £16million a year at stud, covering as many as 200 mares at £80,000 a time.

Racing's thoroughbred industry is worth hundreds of millions and successful stallions - only around 6% of which are used for breeding - can command stud fees of up to £500,000.

In the autumn of 2006, Jalil, owned by Sheik Mohammed, became the most expensive horse to race in Britain when he made his Flat debut. As the son of Storm Cat, a sire so valuable he is afforded armed protection 24 hours a day, Jalil cost Sheik Mohammed £5million, Storm Cat's stud fee is £500,000 for each live foal sired.

Stud fees have risen steadily in line with international demand for progeny to be faster and to have greater staying power than their forebears. For the majority of owners, this can only be achieved through selective breeding.

Yet the theory an illustrious bloodline is a guarantee of turf riches has been challenged on numerous occasions by scientists.

The most recent challenge has emanated from Edinburgh University by researchers who have called into question the inherent value of selective breeding.

Twenty years ago, researchers at Trinity College, Dublin, published a paper in the scientific journal Nature.

Its authors, geneticists Barry Gaffney and Patrick Cunningham, noted winning race times had not improved dramatically since 1910 whereas, over the same period, Olympic runners had become at least 20% faster.

Gaffney and Cunningham examined the handicap ratings for more than 31,000 three-year-old horses for the period 1966 to 1985, evaluating their respective performances.

They concluded while the gene pool may have been improving, horses had reached their physical limit and were unlikely to run a great deal faster than their ancestors.

The reasons were attributable to basic physiological constraints on size and speed rather than the failings of equine genetics. The research caused many owners, initially at least, to be decidedly more sceptical about selective breeding.

Attitudes are likely to be reviewed again following the publication of Edinburgh University's research which suggests owners could be frittering millions of pounds away by paying stud fees.

The university's report concludes selective breeding is no guarantee of racing success.

Genetic information has become horse racing's most valuable commodity, used to optimise the commercial return on breeding programmes. The theory goes in order to maximise the probability of producing a successful offspring, the owner of a mare should mate her with a high-quality stallion. When this works, it does so spectacularly. The most famous recent example was Northern Dancer who sired Nijinsky, Danzig (who then sired Danehill) and, most spectacularly of all, Sadler's Wells.

Born in 1981, Sadler's Wells first succeeded on the course where, among others, he won the Irish 2,000 Guineas and the Eclipse Stakes. On retiring, his worth multiplied severalfold and he has been crowned champion sire 14 times, while his progeny have included more than 200 stakes winners.

He still serves around 200 mares a year, with each mating earning some £200,000 each - or £40million a year - making him the most successful sire of the 20th century.

Edinburgh University's study suggested paying stud fees for stallions of the highest repute only made commercial sense if 'stud fees are an honest signal of a stallion's genetic quality'.

In Sadler's Wells's case this appears to be true, although it is far from certain whether an expensive stallion is a guarantee of subsequent commercial success.

Using data on thoroughbred racehorses, together with information detailing lifetime earnings from prize money as a measure of success, the Edinburgh team tested several variables and concluded "there is no genetic variance for stud fee and the genetic correlation between traits is therefore zero. This result is supported by an absence of any relationship between stud fees for currently active stallions and the predicted lifetime earnings for their hypothetical offspring".

The Edinburgh research was completed by Dr Alastair Watson at the university's School of Biological Studies.

His conclusion was unequivocal. The offspring of expensive stallions might tend to win more money, but not necessarily because they have inherited the best genes.

"It is likely those breeders best able to pay high stud fees are also able to spend more on care of the horse, how it is trained and who rides it - all of which will contribute more to how much it will win," he said.

Dr Watson and Andrew Rambaut examined the lifetime earnings, stud fees and winnings of more than 4,000 horses used for racing and breeding since 1922. Their conclusion was as little as 10% of a horse's winnings are attributable to parentage, whereas 90% depends on how the animal is reared, trained and ridden.

There have been several examples of genetically engineered progeny being absolute duds. Perhaps the best recent example was Snaafi Dancer, bought by Sheik Mohammed for a world record fee in 1983 after being sired by Northern Dancer.

While Northern Dancer won 14 of his 18 races, Snaafi Dancer was considered too slow to race by his trainer John Dunlop, and fared little better at stud where he produced just four foals.

The chances are Dr Watson's department will be inundated with requests for information now his study has been published. Astute owners might conclude it is better to pay Edinburgh University for solid analytical information rather than take a chance on having mares sired by the likes of Snaafi Dancer.

It is likely to be much cheaper as well.